Morality and Animals

How much does morality extend to animals?
Is it moral to kill and eat conscious beings because they're not human?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The purpose of animals is to eat them, so it’s not immoral. Eating them is actually moral and not simply amoral because it is their telos to be consumed.
    It’s immoral to eat dogs and cats because that is barbaric according to custom and they are not teleologically destined to be foodstuffs. Likewise human cannibalism is immoral because the human body is afforded respect and proper reverence.
    Torturing animals is wrong not because inflicting suffering onto animals is wrong, not even because inflicting undue suffering onto animals is wrong, but because subjecting your soul to carrying out meaninglessly cruel torture is bad for you as a human.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Where do you find the purpose of animals?

      >It’s immoral to eat dogs and cats because that is barbaric according to custom and they are not teleologically destined to be foodstuffs.
      Why? Many cultures eat dogs and cats.

      >Torturing animals is wrong not because inflicting suffering onto animals is wrong, not even because inflicting undue suffering onto animals is wrong, but because subjecting your soul to carrying out meaninglessly cruel torture is bad for you as a human.
      So if the suffering of the animal does not matter but the act damaging your soul is what is at issue, is it then morally no different to harm a real animal than harming a digital animal in say a video game?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > Where do you find the purpose of animals
        Idk. It just is, unironically that is my justification. Purpose of a dick is to coom in a pussy. Teleology. Just how it works.
        > Why? Many cultures eat dogs and cats
        Maybe I should have specified “our” custom says that eating cats and dogs is nasty, and thus wrong because it is a violation of the telos our culture assigns to these particular animals.
        > it then morally no different to harm a real animal than harming a digital animal in say a video game?
        to the specific example you give, no, because you’re just clicking pixels ultimately, and even if you’re virtually torturing animals that’s still very different than actually torturing a real life creature because your brain understands that one is real and one is a virtual game. But in principle, yes, it’s wrong because you should not be conditioning your soul to become normalized to doing evil things.

        >immoral to eat dogs and cats because that is barbaric according to custom and they are not teleologically destined to be foodstuffs.

        I wouldn't eat a dog or cat but this grounding was shit. You almost had a good post. I also wouldn't eat a turantula even though morality doesn't enter into it.

        Eating a spider is aesthetically gross and therefore I would argue that it’s also immoral since you ought not do gross things. I mean this more like eating a spider as a meal, obviously this doesn’t apply when the context is completely changed like you’re trapped in a cave with nothing else, in which case the grossness is not actually merely diminished by the circumstance but it is completely overcome and it becomes positively moral to consume it because the nastiness of the act has become subsumed and replaced by the necessity of it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You really think you aren't a brainlet, huh?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >immoral to eat dogs and cats because that is barbaric according to custom and they are not teleologically destined to be foodstuffs.

      I wouldn't eat a dog or cat but this grounding was shit. You almost had a good post. I also wouldn't eat a turantula even though morality doesn't enter into it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >platogays

    • 1 month ago
      Une Chienne Andalou

      >It’s immoral to eat dogs and cats because that is barbaric according to custom and they are not teleologically destined to be foodstuffs
      It might be considered barbaric in some cultures, but in others, dogs and cats are seen the same way we might see duck or bison, not exactly commonplace, but as acceptable maybe even “exotic” foods. You cannot say it is not their “telos” to be food. They are meat just like other mammals, and if prepared properly, do no harm to health of those consuming them. Just because the thought of someone cooking and eating a dog gives you the ick, doesn’t mean it’s “against nature” or “not the purpose of dogs/cats” to be consumed.

      https://i.imgur.com/m9bZhae.jpeg

      > Where do you find the purpose of animals
      Idk. It just is, unironically that is my justification. Purpose of a dick is to coom in a pussy. Teleology. Just how it works.
      > Why? Many cultures eat dogs and cats
      Maybe I should have specified “our” custom says that eating cats and dogs is nasty, and thus wrong because it is a violation of the telos our culture assigns to these particular animals.
      > it then morally no different to harm a real animal than harming a digital animal in say a video game?
      to the specific example you give, no, because you’re just clicking pixels ultimately, and even if you’re virtually torturing animals that’s still very different than actually torturing a real life creature because your brain understands that one is real and one is a virtual game. But in principle, yes, it’s wrong because you should not be conditioning your soul to become normalized to doing evil things.
      [...]
      Eating a spider is aesthetically gross and therefore I would argue that it’s also immoral since you ought not do gross things. I mean this more like eating a spider as a meal, obviously this doesn’t apply when the context is completely changed like you’re trapped in a cave with nothing else, in which case the grossness is not actually merely diminished by the circumstance but it is completely overcome and it becomes positively moral to consume it because the nastiness of the act has become subsumed and replaced by the necessity of it.

      Oh you’re autistic, nevermind it’s probably no use engaging with you

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Telos is assigned by culture. Western telos of dogs and cats are to be pets or companions. Chink telos is to cook and eat dogs and cats.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Dogs were domesticated (co-evolved with us) for companionship, hunting, guarding, and generally their non-food utility. They have evolved an instinct to not mess with human babies because they'd get killed if they did. Well, until the pitbull but thats besides the point.
        We domesticated other animals specifically to eat them. Cows were bred for their resources.

        People in China will eat literally anything as long as it doesn't move long enough for them to take a bite out of it. That says more about people from China than about the inherent qualities about animals.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Have you heard of the mass cannibalism that occured in the region of Guangxi between 1966 and 1976?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >cultural revolution caused unneeded harm and destruction
            More news at 11

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Chinese people seem awfully prone to cannibalism for some reason
            Those same cannibals are still alive in China to this day btw, roaming free

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Good post

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Dogs were not primarily for food, but people all over the world have ate them, particularly in times of desperation or just when they're pests because there's tons of stray dogs roaming around.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why is it okay to eat pigs? They are a lot more related to humans and a lot smarter than cats too. Imagine not being able to do an external critique.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You are more closely related to rats & rabbits than dogs or pigs

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Who gives a frick if a pig is more genetically close to a human than a cat? Like really, how is this relevant at all? Their telos is to be turned into pork and eaten. Who cares how smart they are? Thats some gay little factoid that doesn’t even matter to anything.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You really don't think of yourself as a moron, do you?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Where are you driving your teleology anyway?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Deriving*

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Culture, which is why the telos of a dog in the west is to be a companion and the telos of a dog in China is to be eaten, and in the west pigs are consumed and in arabia they are considered unclean

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Kill more sapiient animal: :/
          >Kill dog: NOOOOOOOO! NOT THE HECKIN' DOGGERINO.CHONKY BOY, TAKE ME INSTEAD! YoY

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I’m not a dog loving redditor. Humans are infinitely more valuable than any sort of animal. It’s just that we make the best use of dogs when we use them according to their purpose, ie to be pets, and we make the best use of other animals for their own purposes, which in some cases is to eat them

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes and so are pigs. I didn't defend cannibalism, you fool!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >and so are pigs
            Based on what specifically? Show me evidence a pig is a better companion than a dog?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm just saying they are more conscious.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >more conscious
            How do you measure consciousness?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Brain power

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Can we measure it in ways that benefit humans since that is what matters? How is a pig more beneficial to humans as a pet vs a dog?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, that is begging the question; you are trying to establish that humans and their opinions are always of most importance.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Who gives a frick if a pig is more genetically close to a human than a cat?
          Well for starters its why Islam dislikes it so much

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

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  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

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    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

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      >this artist is japanese
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  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It is highly immoral and we must accept that. Morality has its role but it cannot be the ultimate guidance of human life

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >this is a complicated question for domesti- I mean, civilized man

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you live in a israeli world (christian) which thinks Black folk are higher animals than dolphins or elephants
    you deserve everything that's happening to you

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There is nothing wrong with consuming animals in of itself, and the only reason we have this conception is because of how detached from the natural world we are especially as industry and technology 'exponentially' grow.

    The only manifestation of this argument I can seriously sympathize with is factory farming as immoral, despite it being where the majority of meat comes from.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      instead of chickens being born into darkness, genetically modified to be too fat to walk, scratching off their stomach skin, and the first time they see light after drenching in their own shit, getting slaughtered
      we should be doing that to Black folk

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not too fan of fried nigg, rotisserie nigg or nigg soup

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          feed Black person meat to your pet dogs then
          excellent high protein pet food

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Morals are made by humans for humans.
    Pets are owned & cared by humans and treated as companions emotionally.
    Wildlife conservation is a human effort, preserving the environment is preserving human wellbeing to a certain extent.
    These relate to morality since these are linked to humans.

    Livestock are resources for humans, their exploitation is amoral. No different from vegetables as living products grown for consumption. So are prey items beyond conservation efforts.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Wildlife conservation is a human effort
      wildlife conservation is a nazi effort
      subhuman Black personfeet licking christcucks aren't involved in any of this
      every animal rights and environmentalism manifesto was written by nazis

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >wildlife conservation is a nazi effort

        ROFL

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Livestock are resources for humans, their exploitation is amoral.
      what if humans decide otherwise

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Humans are superior to animals in every conceivable way. The only reason they matter is because we deem it so.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

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  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This artist draws e-girlcon hentai.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      thanks, you ruined it for me.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      better than being a Black person

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >this artist is japanese
      *shockers*

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    IT'S MISTER LIZARD!!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

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      IT'S MISTER LIZARD!!

      IT'S MISTER LIZARD!!

      C O M

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Killing animals for the purpose of eat them is wrong in my opinion as they have nerves and as such can feel pain, and killing anything is wrong in my opinion except for in a life or death circumstance in which all other options would lead to the cessation of one's own life.
    If the animal were already dead from a natural cause such as old age it would be less wrong to eat them as a. they could not feel pain any more to our knowledge, being that they are dead, and b. the moral onus of killing something would not be upon the person eating the meat.
    This is all assuming that the person eating is also the one hunting, but with regards to an example like eating animal meat that has been packaged in a supermarket I feel it would still be wrong but to a lesser extent as while the eater is removed by degrees from the killer, the animal was still killed to be eaten.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      *We* don't give a shit about your opinion tho? Especially one as effeminate as yours

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That is perfectly reasonable, I did not intend for the post to persuade anyone regardless.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You arbitarily decided a feature such as nerves would make killing and consuming animals as wrong

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Features such as ability to suffer and feel pain would affect your empathy if you were not sociopathic.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Only if you're a woman

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're absolutely right.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Abortion is a moral imperative from your standpoint since it would be mercy-killing people who cannot experience pain, ie children who have not developed nervous systems, and it also prevents them from experiencing future pain.
      The practical conclusions of your line of reasoning should be plainly repulsive to you on their face

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like burgers, they're tasty so I go to Carl's Jr to buy one.
    I like my dog, if you go out of your way to hurt my dog, you will be shot.
    Simple as. You don't need to be a philosopher to understand this concept.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      that doesn't answer whether I can kill and eat a stray dog or my own dog. Maybe I'll farm them for my dog burger stand.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Is it legal and is it culturally appropriate?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Why does it matter if it's legal and culturally appropriate? There are bad laws and bad customs, and arbitrary customs.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Sure some customs are bad, but only according to other customs. You live in a cultural system and your peculiar opinions are informed by it, such as something as arbitrary as dogs being pets and cows being food.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I know that, but the thread is about how we should treat animals in general and general rules that can be applied across species, not what just is culturally accepted.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >general rules applied across species
            No. Each animal is different and deserves different treatment.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's mister lizard!!

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it is immoral to be cruel to them, as they can feel and have a level of consciousness
    but the animal world is naturally cruel, and animals perceive the world to a much lower degree than humans
    one of the biggest things to consider is the size of the animal
    the smaller the animal is, and especially the life span, the less sentient it is
    and furthermore, the size of an animal also indicates how quickly they percieve time
    so the life span of an ant which could be a year or two at best could be percieved as being little as a month, and a fly who lives a month will perceive it at best as half a week
    on the opposite hand, it would be cruel to hurt very large animals like elephants or whales, who's lifespans are long and their perceived lifespan is even longer

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the less icky it looks the more I feel bad
      Woman behavior

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        thats not really what i was getting at, but yea if you're a foid you could look at it that way
        spiders are my bros though, i dont kill them, and its not like i go out of my way to step on anthills
        but what i'm trying to say is that their lives are no more than a blip
        eventually you get to a point where your hand and it's nervous system alone is more sentient than the smallest of insects

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          We should be exterminating stray cats but we aren't and let them destroy the ecosystem because... kitties

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            if thats what needs to be done then it doesnt matter to me if people are shooting strays
            only trouble is that its hard to get people to rally against a certain animal they like for the sake of animals that have nothing to do with them, than it is for farmers to rally against a certain animal thats killing their livestock
            a farmer would easily shoot a stray dog over killing his chickens, but wouldnt care about a mauled bluejay in his backyard

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pain is overrated suffering is a myth

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    IT'S MISTER LIZARD!!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it's mister lizard!!

      Comfers... 🙂

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Morality doesn't exist.
    Humans are animals.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's amoral.
    It's neither moral nor immoral.
    There are cases* perhaps where it could either be moral or immoral (something like; an old horse can no longer walk; you have mouths to feed, do you eat the horse? it's potentially moral* in that case)

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    IT'S MISTER LIZARD

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      🙂

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