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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Name one that isn't Book of Mormon or Pearl Of Great Price.

    This isn't a gotcha btw, I'm legitimately interested. Utah and more broadly Mormonism seems like such a cultural wasteland that discourages thinking too hard

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Utah and more broadly Mormonism seems like such a cultural wasteland that discourages thinking too hard
      That's exactly what Mormonism is. There's zero intellectual depth or philosophical rigor to it. It's "shut up and obey the prophet and give us your money" repackaged in endless variations.
      I have endless bad things to say about Mormonism but if you want books check out No Man Knows My History by Fawn Brodie to start. From there look up In Sacred Loneliness, Early Mormonism and the Magic World View, or Mormonism: Shadow or Reality.
      Ignore those who attempt to find depth and meaning in the Book of Mormon or any other facet of the LDS movement beyond a purely historical one.
      t. 4th gen Mormon

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Are you a Mormon who struggles with your faith, or are you an ex-Mormon?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          OP have you watched South Park
          they demolished Joseph Smith

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not OP, I'm

            Name one that isn't Book of Mormon or Pearl Of Great Price.

            This isn't a gotcha btw, I'm legitimately interested. Utah and more broadly Mormonism seems like such a cultural wasteland that discourages thinking too hard

            . I'm just curious about what his perspective is and if he's still practicing, as he said he's a "4th gen Mormon"

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            He’s a fricking homosexual

            Are you a Mormon who struggles with your faith, or are you an ex-Mormon?

            >cartoon men said it is silly! I’m very smart

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, OP is a homosexual. That is something we can all agree on

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you're looking for something spiritual or profound, it sucks. If you are looking for something to help with self-improvement or traditionalism, it sucks. The only use for Mormon lit is impressing other Mormons. They are intellectually, spiritually, and emotionally children, the environment they're raised in doesn't allow them to be anything else. Look to for a prime example of this.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You’re a real spiritual guy, huh? You sure you’re not just some jaded homosexual who can’t into faith? You’re mad Mom and Dad wanted you to stay away from little worldly homosexuals and told you (rightly) that drugs are bad for you.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            (mitt romney wearing magic underwear)

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine touting being raised in a religion and completely misunderstanding the doctrines.
            Are nuns robes or priests vestments magic, btw?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Where my magic underwear gone

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sup mormon, go pay tithe

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          These days I consider myself a generic trinitarian Christian, undecided between Catholicism and Orthodoxy. You couldn't get me to practice Mormonism again even if you refunded all my tithing.

          He’s a fricking homosexual
          [...]
          >cartoon men said it is silly! I’m very smart

          Ask your stake president about second anointing sometime. His reaction will tell you everything you need to know.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Lmao you are ridiculous

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sure, bury your head in the sand if that makes you feel better.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            How is that not based?
            Explain why “traditional trinitarianism” is more believable.
            Did God abandon Man?
            Or just because you’re removed from the prophets by time you think they’re more legitimate?
            Why did Catholicism and Orthodoxy abandon the organization Christ created for His church?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >follow some weirdo that claims in the 1800s he got gold plates with a secret book and he's totally God's prophet
            >literally less well thought out than muhammad making up islam in the exact same way
            >both Catholics and Orthodox have apostolic succession, smith just made shit up
            >"abandoned the organization Christ created"
            Kek!

            >why is it more believable
            Literally in the Bible (the proper one that smith didn't mutilate for his cult).

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            we use the KJV fool.

            >yeah bro we totally have the Original Christianity™ Christ and His apostles definitely did neo masonic LARP rituals and had secret ordinances that released senior leaders from the obligation to follow the same moral code as the plebeian members of the church and Jesus taught that black people were cursed for their skin color all along just trust me bro just pray to receive a witness that it's true bro think celestial bro just doubt your doubts bro just give your money to an organization that made shell corporations to hide its massive wealth and fricking lied to the SEC about it for 20 years bro
            Frick off.

            kek, seethe.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sure, keep ignoring the truth and doublethinking the inconsistencies and contradictions away. See how it works out for you. Maybe you'll find some cool Mormon influencer who shows you how based and redpilled Mormonism is and it'll make you feel better about paying for the privilege of wearing goofy underwear and cleaning church toilets for free on weekends. It's your life, dude.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't understand why you expect me to be upset about my church being wealthy. Also the second annointing thing is not as you portray it. You're guaranteed exaltation only if you remain true. Tricking God is not possible.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            They lied to you about how much money they had for decades and broke the law to do it, specifically because they feared what would happen if lay church members discovered the facts about where their tithing goes. They used that money to buy investment properties and build shopping malls (which incidentally sell coffee, tea, tobacco, and alcohol). That doesn't make you angry? That doesn't make you question whether they really are the virtuous men of God they claim to be?
            They guarantee themselves slots in Mormon Heaven despite any sins they commit short of murder, but you can be denied a temple recommend for drinking coffee or not giving them enough money. That doesn't make you question the moral foundation of the system? The fact that they have secret ordinances hidden from regular members and lie about the existence of said ordinances doesn't make you question whether they really value honesty and truth?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know why I would care about those things tbh. All of the other things you list are trials for the individual. Paying a tithe is biblical, and more about your willingness to sacrifice. I think that is also the case with coffee and tea; alcohol and tobacco are actually just bad for you. I can still go to heaven as a sinner as well, I just have to repent. Also, breddy sure the guys at the top of the church organization aren't murdering or raping people in their spare time.
            I believe that the fruits of the church are good. You strike me as some lib crybaby who can't into God being mysterious and man being flawed.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Like I said, it's your life. Go ahead and keep paying into the thing if that floats your boat. Just don't act all shocked when you keep finding out more and more unsavory shit about the church or have to doublethink contradictions away all the time ("proud to be a Mormon" vs "a victory for Satan" is a great recent one that I have no doubt you're actively ignoring).

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >more unsavory things
            you didn't name a single one lol

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >second anointing secret group
            >literally all the sexual abuse
            >tithes hidden
            quite a few already.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Only because you didn't ask.
            There's the already-mentioned Ensign Peak Holdings financial scandal for which the church was fined 5 million dollars, the blood tokens in the endowment ceremony (verbalized portions removed in the late 80s/early 90s with the hand gestures remaining), the oath of vengeance, the 40+ plural wives of Joseph Smith (some underage and as young as 14, some forcibly remarried to him from other men or married to him without their husbands' knowledge) which he lied to Emma Smith about, the missing 160 pages and the obvious bullshit surrounding them, the 3 witnesses (of which two would later be excommunicated) who never actually physically saw the plates (though they did touch a brick under a sheet shown to them by a drunk Smith lol), the Salamander Letter affair and its implications on so-called prophetic discernment, the Mountain Meadows Massacre (though that one is already fairly public), basketball conversions, Smith's occult connections (Jupiter talisman, the already-posted "Holiness to the Lord" manuscript, animal sacrifices), blatant cribbing from Freemasonry (ever wonder where the symbols on garments come from?), the complete academic evisceration of the book of Abraham following the discovery of the Rosetta Stone, anachronisms in the Book of Mormon (horses being the big one), translation errors from the KJV showing up in the BoM, timeline issues between quotations from Isaiah in the BoM and the writing of Isaiah itself, contradictions between the 1978 declaration allowing black people to hold the priesthood and the text of the BoM and other supposedly prophetic revelations, rampant sex abuse cases covered up by the church (see floodlit.org as well as the ongoing BSA abuse case trials), the ongoing mess with Tim Ballard and his relative M. Russell Ballard (which admittedly wasn't sanctioned by the whole Q15), theological wackiness promoted by prophets as "revelation" and later walked back (Adam-God, sexless resurrection bodies for those below the 3rd level of the Celestial Kingdom, the blatantly exploitive manner in which retiree missionaries are used as essentially free labor in church finance departments, architecture firms, etc, decades of contradictions over the Word of Wisdom (fun fact, beer and wine are 100% allowed in the WoW and Smith et al. consumed said beverages as well as operated breweries) when it comes to temple recommends, massively declining participation rates (butts in pews per week) which can be tracked through cell phone pinging data (don't have the citation on hand but it's easily findable), falsification or misrepresentation of membership data (counting ward combinations as new ward creations being the big one), the whole laughable thing with Kolob, and finally the totally incoherent metaphysics underpinning the whole system (non-omnipotent gods, cosmic deity sex with female gods).

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Look

            Basically I'm just not gonna lose it (my faith in the restored gospel)

            I'm sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know..... UGH I know.....

            It's just that I'm not losing it is all!!!!

            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            K

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            But they are preparing for the second coming! Jesus is going to need all that money to do his work on Earth.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >we use the KJV fool.
            Plus the parts where Joseph Smith inserted himself, right?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            No. We do reference it but it isn’t part of our scriptures even. That is the offshoot church with the spiral temple you can tour for a nominal fee.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >yeah bro we totally have the Original Christianity™ Christ and His apostles definitely did neo masonic LARP rituals and had secret ordinances that released senior leaders from the obligation to follow the same moral code as the plebeian members of the church and Jesus taught that black people were cursed for their skin color all along just trust me bro just pray to receive a witness that it's true bro think celestial bro just doubt your doubts bro just give your money to an organization that made shell corporations to hide its massive wealth and fricking lied to the SEC about it for 20 years bro
            Frick off.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >abandons mormonism to take up neochristian larp
            Depressing.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Stormlight Archives

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    White washed christianity basically

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Mormonism is exoteric Freemasonry, it has a very tertiary connection to Christianity.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    mormons are relatively based, good families non degen and the women are hot
    so ill give them that even tho joseph smith was an obvious conman

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you think about it Mormonism was an attempt to reconcile Christianity with science in the 19th century. It tries to incorporate the existence of the Americas and other planets into a spiritual framework, things that were glaringly absent from the Bible considering what a big portion of creation they are.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >other planets
      dude aliens
      is this joe rogan?

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I never read the books, so I guess it's not really fitting, but I did see Breaking Dawn pt 2 and it was better than I was expecting.
    Battlestar Galactica was pretty good too.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think it would be a good idea

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    A Study in Scarlet was pretty good.

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    From what I know about mormonism they have to be literal morons to believe the things they do.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's plenty of reasons to "believe" (aka do as you're told and never express skepticism or a desire to understand anything deeply).
      >getting significant benefits out of staying in mormonism (general authorities, Q15, presiding bishopric types, who all get massive tangible benefits from the church even if they technically don't personally own a lot of wealth)
      >getting significant benefits from a personal connection in the church, like all the members of the mormon royal families, companies and contractors who get juicy gigs from the church, and individuals like Tim Ballard who use their personal relations to powerful members to pursue their own ends
      >social pressure, whether from a large mormon family or being in a heavy mormon area like Utah or southeast Idaho, making it difficult to break with the church publicly
      >sociable reasons, like having a community and friend network in the church even if you don't personally believe in it anymore (though this is slowly dying as the church HQ mines every last member for their time and money while failing to invest in its membership in return)
      >"nuanced" members who only partially believe in the whole thing, usually falling into two subgroups: a) those who are smart enough to notice contradictions and inconsistencies yet continue to rationalize them (most of these will end up leaving eventually) and b) those who think the current church is woke/pozzed/corrupted and want to save it (these will either gravitate towards FLDS groups, eventually leave like group a, or go completely fricking bonkers)
      Most who unironically believe do so because they've had the "correct" way to think programmed into them for years, have had "spiritual experiences" that convinced them of the truth of the church's claims, and are unwilling to believe that the years or decades they've spent giving their time, energy, and money to the church were pointless. Most of these people are older and didn't grow up in a time when information was easy to access, whereas younger generations are steadily losing interest in Mormonism even if they were born into it and are capable of easily finding information that destroys the Mormon world view.

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Every other fantasy or sci-fi series is written by a Mormon for some reason

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Based beyond belief, I love the church. And we aren’t Mormon, we are The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. We are Christ centered, and believe in the Trinity, and the Bible as far as it was translated correctly. King James Version. I can understand how there is a lot of confusion, especially on this site and the web in general.

    Best readings (besides the most kino Book of Mormon) are from Parley P Pratt, and unironically Doctrine and Covenants.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >And we aren’t Mormon
      You are, it's literally the same thing.

      Secondly, do you believe in what is said on the Athanasian Creed?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        We do not worship Mormon, and we don’t go by that name. That is not included in teachings but parts of are similar to our beliefs.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          it started as a way for others to call LDS.
          Literally says so in the LDS page.

          >mormons literally have lying classes and coping and shilling courses to spread their heresy

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            We have been referring to members as Latter Day Saints all my life. But recently it’s been advised that we correct our language in an effort to remediate misunderstandings and misjudgment. We are Christs followers first and foremost. And I’m not sure where all your venom is coming from but I apologize if I came across bad mannered.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            sure.
            Answer the question about the creed, if you may.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            whatever secularism caused this is laughable

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >do you agree with proper doctrine expressed in this creed
            >"secularism"

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I’ll do my best. Most members would probably have to look up the Athenasian Creed, it isn’t something that is taught or really mentioned outside of our college level institutes or maybe vaguely hinted at inside conference talks. We know that the God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are separate individual entities. God the Father and Our Savior being two separate beings, each with their own bodies. Here is a quote from a conference talk in 1997:

            “ The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints worships a God and a Jesus Christ with bodies, with parts, and with passions. We also believe that the trinity of the Godhead is made up of three separate personages—God, the Eternal Father; Jesus Christ, the Son of God—our Savior; and the Holy Ghost. These two concepts of the Trinity and their attributes are completely different”

            Now I do not have the time to parse that creed and answer you in detailed specifics but that should give you a better understanding or some idea of what we believe.
            I encourage you and any lurkers still curious or questioning to give the Book of Mormon a read. Even still without seeking a specific answer it’s still a great read.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sorry, that is from 1977, not 1997 my error.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            so no, and you instead see the trinity as three Gods?

            >don't have the time
            yeah, deflecting the question takes quite a bit of it.
            acting like it's a book and not a creed or something.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Like I said most members won’t really know what it is. I haven’t read it or understand it’s implications or teachings. If you want to ask a more pointed question from the contents of that creed I’ll take a shot at it!

            There is God the Father, whom we acknowledge as our Father in Heaven (God) and Christ, his son. The Father is Jehova , Christ is the Savior His Son, and the Holy Ghost is without a body and a spiritual being. We wouldn’t describe Christ or the Holy Ghost as Gods. The “Shield of Trinity” refers to all three as God, where we do not and have them separated. Not deflecting I just answer with what I’ve got.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Do you believe Christ is God, and that God is triune?
            why or why not?

            such is said in the Bible itself, and God, speaking to Christ, praises and addresses Him as God (Hebrews 1:8-12)

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The answer's no. Mormons aren't Christians and don't believe in basic statements of faith, much less a specific creed. They use the same terms as Christians but with wildly different definitions (priesthood, savior, divinity, etc).

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            what do you mean by a basic statement of faith?
            we have our articles of faith, you can read them.
            https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/article/articles-of-faith

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Mormons believe they are all saints. And if they're lucky they can also be anointed kings and priests.

            They are a weird bunch all right.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >all my life

            you have to be 18 to post here.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          You switched it up for the public not even that long ago but 90% of you guys still call each other Mormons in private lmao

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Y'all whiteboi be crazy n sheeit
    making sex cults and incest

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Crazy how the church founded by Jesus Christ himself supposedly became "corrupted" greek philosophy right after the last apostle died but the one founded by some guy from new york 1800 years later is totally the one true restored church. Were the apostles just asleep at the wheel or did they forget how to ordain people and accidentally let original christianity die out?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Catholic church failed to recognise Christ's oldest and most established disciples. Hence why The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints had to be established.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Damn I guess Jesus was just kidding when he said he would establish his church on the rock of Peter, or when he said the gates of hell would not prevail against it. Maybe the Apostles just forgot the exact wording used to ordain someone so none of their ordinations were valid? Crazy how that works haha. Maybe Jesus' master plan all along was to establish a church that would last for a couple decades and then become corrupt for the next 2000 years. I'm sure Irenaeus was just joking when he wrote a work that explicitly condemns positions Mormonism holds like God having a physical body in the 2nd century, after being taught by Polycarp the student of St. John himself. I mean there's no way the early church could hold doctrinal positions contrary to what Joseph Smith taught, right? I mean, everyone knows the original Christians used water and white bread during the Eucharist because drinking alcohol is a sin or something and God's laws are eternal.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Wine was still used for sacrament. The fact that the organization of the priesthood established by Jesus Christ wasn’t retained is a sign of the great apostasy, yes. I don’t care about the traditions that resulted from that apostasy and the creeds centuries later.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          So why isn't wine used now? How come consuming alcohol of any kind will result in your temple recommend getting denied, barring you from the highest level of Mormon Heaven as a result? God's law couldn't have changed, could it?
          And what exactly changed so much about the organization of the church that it made all the ordinations performed by the Apostles invalid? It couldn't be that Smith was making shit up to justify his theological innovations and place as a new prophet, motivated by power and the ability to convince followers to give him underage girls as wives... right? He'd never get tarred and feathered by an angry mob because of something awful like getting caught having sex with a 16 year old girl out of wedlock, would he? I mean, that's gotta be anti-Mormon propaganda or something. In fact, anyone who publishes stuff like that should have their printing press burned.
          While we're on the topic, how come absolutely nobody in the NT mentions anything that happens in Mormon temples, like the endowment, tokens, or garments? Such a massively important thing couldn't have simply been left out of all four Gospels and all other books of the New Testament, right? I mean, surely the early church knew of and practiced temple worship just like modern Mormons do? It doesn't have anything to do with the eerily similar Masonic rites which Smith had intimate knowledge of as a Freemason... right?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            you write like a homosexual, kek.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            K

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            moron mormon

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Attention all Mormons:
    https://www.youtube.com/live/6i5Z9jANfvk?si=RU7_2U72d3gfqk_d
    https://www.youtube.com/live/dXcyNabare8?si=2aV3OgwGRZ5cwCz3
    https://www.youtube.com/live/zEDsQxXtdV8?si=yMOsgUZ3UsBqzz74

    Reading recommendations:
    The Holy Bible, No Man Knows my History, The Catechism of the Catholic Church.

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm beginning to understand why IQfy has gone to shit these last few years. Servile, imagination-less anons draining this board of all its former zest and inquiry and sense of humour.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why say this here? Is this some kind of cope after seeing Mormonism get eviscerated?

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