>NATURE -- Thou forgettest that the life of the world is a perpetual cycle of production and destruction, so combined that the one works for the go...

>NATURE -- Thou forgettest that the life of the world is a perpetual cycle of production and destruction, so combined that the one works for the good of the other. By their joint operation the universe is preserved. If either ceased, the world would dissolve. Therefore, if suffering were removed from the earth, its own existence would be endangered.

>ICELANDER -- So say all the philosophers. But since that which is destroyed suffers, and that which is born from its destruction also suffers in due course, and finally is in its turn destroyed, would you enlighten me on one point, about which hitherto no philosopher has satisfied me? For whose pleasure and service is this wretched life of the world maintained, by the suffering and death of all the beings which compose it?

>Whilst they discussed these and similar questions, two lions are said to have suddenly appeared. The beasts were so enfeebled and emaciated with hunger that they were scarcely able to devour the Icelander. They accomplished the feat however, and thus gained sufficient strength to live to the end of the day. But certain people dispute this fact. They affirm that a violent wind having arisen, the unfortunate Icelander was blown to the ground, and soon overwhelmed beneath a magnificent mausoleum of sand. Here his corpse was remarkably preserved, and in process of time he was transformed into a fine mummy. Subsequently, some travellers discovered the body, and carried it off as a specimen, ultimately depositing it in one of the museums of Europe.

How would lit respond to the icelander?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Seeing you suffer makes me happy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this is not something Nature would say, too plebeian. Next

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That’s what I personally would say. I don’t know what nature would say because it’s just an idea that exists in opposition to things created by humans.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I would just tell him to stop being such a downer and watch some TV with me

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      TV didn't exist back then though... damn this place has become so bad

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        stop being a gay, I was trying to parody the normie response, just change it to kicking rocks or whatever they did. I don't know what nature would say, he would probably just pick one of the default copes against antinatalism. Now what is the source of this tripe dialogue?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It is from "A dialogue between an Icelander and Nature" contained in Operette Morali, Moral Works.

          Yes, Leopardi thread! How are you liking the Moral Works anon? The one about Parini and the glory of writing is also a masterpiece.

          It's very very good; and I was about to read the one about Parini next, the subject of glory interests me a lot. I was reading the Zibaldone too but I started this too to change a bit.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, Leopardi thread! How are you liking the Moral Works anon? The one about Parini and the glory of writing is also a masterpiece.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    better than Schop

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Everything is bad. It's all that bad; Everything that exists is evil; everything is there for the bad; being is evil and is commanded to evil; The end of the universe is evil; order and the state, the laws, the natural course of the universe is nothing but evil, nor is it against evil. There is nothing but being; there is nothing that does not exist; things that are not things: everything is bad. All available; Complex of many existing worlds; The population; In metaphysics, a mole is a bruise. Its existence is, according to its nature and to its general essence, a defect, an irregularity, a monster. But this flaw is a very small thing, a real flaw, because all existing worlds are infinitely small compared to how big and how big they are, certainly not infinitely many or large, if infinite what the universe might be; and everything is infinitely small compared to true infinity, so it speaks of non-existent existence.
    damn, he was a little cranky.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      he was an heroic pessimist

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        an heroic indeed

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He was brave

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I know it sounds gay but...
    >NATURE -- For nothing and for no one, I was also born from nothing and I will die to return to nothing. I laugh and cry too

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's really either this or:

      >NATURE -- My background engineers, the Ulteriors who fled from higher-order space and imprinted their engrams on the cosmic seed before it banged into multifarious form.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nature was just following orders

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's really either this or:

      >NATURE -- My background engineers, the Ulteriors who fled from higher-order space and imprinted their engrams on the cosmic seed before it banged into multifarious form.

      do you mean God gave the order? if so what's his goal

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Nature -- Physical life forms and all the world lives and dies, created then destroyed and created from that destruction again. Life forms are a microcosm of this, as pleasure is attained in satisfying deprivations. There would be no drive to satiate - no will to live - without the suffering of deprivation.

    >Icelander -- What force insists physical life forms must exist and therefore toil away at satisfying their deprivations ad infinitum into the unrelenting reprise of decay and death? This cycle seems cruel and pointless.

    Nature's Response -- You chose to be here, or rather you deserved to be here. On some level you and everything else found meaning and purpose in satisfying unceasing deprivations. Your soul now yearns for something beyond the flesh's deprivations, for you now understand physical life forever chases a better possible state of being but can never truly attain perfect being. Even pleasures with no corresponding deprivation, as you now know, are only possible if a better, more complete state of being exists - omnipresence, omnipotence and omniscience is the perfect state of being life forms will themselves to attain but shall never truly attain. But know that I have supplied your body with the very means to go beyond its physical limitations and into the mystical - for your body is the narrow doorway to the truth. Meditate now and seek Source.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

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  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Does anyone here know the letter Leopardi wrote to a relative about his being in a trip and talking about women and relationship there? I remember someone posted it here on this board like two years ago, but can’t remember exactly enough to find it to read again.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >I thank the Most High for carving this cross onto the ages for our generation to have a chance of martyrdom. I love ir because the moment I got up on it, I learned how to love, for pain is nothing but a purging fire that remove the grime from my soul. Suffering makes us wince, but is good because we can keep remembering the sin of our forefather. Without wincing constantly we wouldn’t be opening our spiritual eyes, though I know that most of us fight their entire lives to keep them closed…

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Based

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks, anon. Glad you liked it.

        What would stop Icelander from saying "cope" at this point and winning the entire argument?

        I don’t think the Icelander wanted to win argument.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          But surely he would want to point out that nature committed the "argument from cope" fallacy?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What would stop Icelander from saying "cope" at this point and winning the entire argument?

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