'Neoteny' is a well-known concept, but what about its opposite?

'Neoteny' is a well-known concept, but what about its opposite? Various writers over the centuries have noted that North African men often appear old and haggard at relatively young ages. Their faces are often rough and craggy in a manner similar to old people, but before old age itself.

What kind of selective breeding pressures would create the opposite of a neotenous appearance? What are the evolutionary advantages of a tribe's men looking old and ugly by the time they are teens?

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  1. 3 months ago
    Ο Σολιταίρ

    estimated IQ: 115

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      115-30 or maybe even -40.

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >its opposite
    Peramorphy.
    >North African men
    Paedomorphic goblins mostly.
    >kind of selective breeding pressures
    None. It's the original state of Eurasians and East Africans.
    >evolutionary advantages
    Higher both in intelligence and strength, noble character. Paedomorph is always a servant.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is called dimorphism

      They arent paedomorphic you idiot

      Isn't the opposite of neoteny like when blacks and sometimes asiatics have those portruding simian mouths and strong brow ridges?

      Blacks ans asiatics are the most neotonous/paedomorphic

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Blacks ans asiatics are the most neotonous/paedomorphic
        They aren’t.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous
          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Blacks ans asiatics are the most neotonous/paedomorphic
            They aren’t.

            They are you morons, muh random paper wont change anything

            It isn't neoteny, it's a lack of development. And it makes people look ugly.
            [...]
            No they aren't they have much bigger faces on average.

            Big faces compared to the body is a neotnous trait and big faces in general are an overrated trait for anti-neotony

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >They are
            Non-argument

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not an argument

            Lmao ape stop whining you deranged goblin.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Begone and start cleaning toilets or whatever is your job you worthless uneducated servant.

            not an argument

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Non-argument. Only the cognitively feminine engage in lying, shaming, gossiping, reputation destruction.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            not an argument

            >What I'm talking about is that you are confused about how it makes people look.
            I'm not gonna keep repeating myself: humans undergo less change from infant to adult in terms of bone development than other primates do. Therefore, among the primates, WE are neotenous.
            >makes you look like a caveman.
            irrelevant, the "brutish thug" look is as neotenous as the "gracile gentleman".
            [...]
            The point of neoteny is that it is species-wide and compared across species. All humans have more or less the same level of neoteny, and the differences in neoteny among humans are extremely trivial in an objective sense.

            Ape stop whining. Whiny dalit.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            not an arugment

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          They are you morons, muh random paper wont change anything
          [...]
          Big faces compared to the body is a neotnous trait and big faces in general are an overrated trait for anti-neotony

          It's not even a paper, that's the 20th century boomer equivalent of /misc/ infographic.

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What kind of selective breeding pressures would create the opposite of a neotenous appearance?
    incest

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      This. SandBlack folk are basically sisterfrickers

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        East asians are inbred (or were for a long time) yet neotanous.

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't the opposite of neoteny like when blacks and sometimes asiatics have those portruding simian mouths and strong brow ridges?

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's the face of an inbred. Especially those messed up eyes. The face of Islam. It wasn't always this way.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Blacks physically mature faster because they're r-selected.

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    All humans are neotenous, yes even that guy in OP. Look at chimpanzees if you want to see a NON-neotenous primate that is very close to humans.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      It isn't neoteny, it's a lack of development. And it makes people look ugly.

      This is called dimorphism

      They arent paedomorphic you idiot
      [...]
      Blacks ans asiatics are the most neotonous/paedomorphic

      No they aren't they have much bigger faces on average.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, it IS neoteny, you fricking idiot. Compare the most grug looking human to the most gracile chimp, and you will STILL see the Grug man is neotenous.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          That man on the lower right is an example of someone whose face grew only a little. What you call neoteny is the lack of it as you define it.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Neoteny is literally the preservation of infant traits into adulthood. Chimpanzees are very low in neoteny. Humans, all humans, are very, very high. Animals that undergo complete metamorphosis have absolutely no neoteny.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            1. It isn't neoteny. It's a lack of development.
            2. What you actually call neoteny (such as big eyes, with no brow ridge) is the result of unusually extensive development, not the lack of it.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >1. It isn't neoteny. It's a lack of development.
            That's literally what neoteny is you moron. Human babies and chimp babies look very similar. Human adults look much like human babies, just larger. Chimp adults look very little like chimp babies.
            >2. What you actually call neoteny (such as big eyes, with no brow ridge) is the result of unusually extensive development, not the lack of it.
            Tell me, is a human adult more similar to a human baby than a chimp adult is similar to a chimp baby?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is a "neotenous" face by your definition.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            All human faces are neotenous, so yes. A baby-like face is the result of LESS development from the infant skull, not less, idiot.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            The problem is that what you CALL neoteny is the opposite of how you define it.
            When the face grows, it remains in proportion to the skull.
            When it doesn't grow, it appears disproportionally small, and it results in an unattractive "caveman" look.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you are talking about humans, you are talking about neoteny. Yes, even the smelliest, most protruding brow Afghani goat-lover IS neotenous. Compare his face to a gorilla face, and he looks downright FETAL in comparison.
            Neoteny is a well-understood and well-defined phenomena in humans and other organisms.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Coping manlet.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not an argument

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            There are degrees of neotenization.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not really. All humans are more or less equally neotenous when compared to other species. Even WITHIN the species, there isn't really a lot of bone development in comparison to infant skulls across the board, the differences are extremely slight.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Begone and start cleaning toilets or whatever is your job you worthless uneducated servant.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            We aren’t comparing them to other species.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            The two faces in this pic look equally neotonous to you?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            What I'm talking about is that you are confused about how it makes people look.
            A lot of neoteny as you define it (the face develops a little) makes you look like a caveman.
            A lack of neoteny as you define it (the face develops a lot) makes you look "neotenous".
            Meaning that you would probably see an actual neanderthal as very "neotenous".

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >What I'm talking about is that you are confused about how it makes people look.
            I'm not gonna keep repeating myself: humans undergo less change from infant to adult in terms of bone development than other primates do. Therefore, among the primates, WE are neotenous.
            >makes you look like a caveman.
            irrelevant, the "brutish thug" look is as neotenous as the "gracile gentleman".

            We aren’t comparing them to other species.

            The point of neoteny is that it is species-wide and compared across species. All humans have more or less the same level of neoteny, and the differences in neoteny among humans are extremely trivial in an objective sense.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Hellboy is much more neotenous than the "gracile gentleman".

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            There is always intra-species differences in neotenization that have to matter by definition.

            >among humans are extremely trivial in an objective sense.
            They aren’t trivial between humans.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is what you would actually call neotenous.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, because that is a human face. Both are neotenous, aka, keeping many features of the infant skull, and developing relatively little.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Tell me, is a human adult more similar to a human baby than a chimp adult is similar to a chimp baby?
            No, it's considerably less so.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            By what metric

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the baboon doesn't know about philogenesis projecting into ontogenesis
    Many such cases. I bed it's a potato,-headed paedomorphic serf.

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    What is that reddit cuck dalit even? Is it the natural state of this shithole without overseeing from the Frisian?

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