Nixon in Red China

Literally anyone who thought this was a good idea should've been chopped into pieces and cannibalized. We abandoned an ally, gave an enemy a seat on the U.N. Security Council, greatly enriched and empowered what had been a hopeless backwater, allowed them to sponsor the enslavement of Indochina and the fricking Khmer Rouge, they implemented barely any reforms and zero new ones since the '80s, and we have received no benefit from it whatever.

What a shitty deal. It's a travesty Kissinger has lived so long.

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are you the “America won in Vietnam” spammer

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >50 cent/yanisraelite
      Pretty much.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It helped isolate and eventually kill off the USSR. It was a good idea at the time. You're just seething because the changs ended up becoming even better capitalists.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It did nothing of the sort. The Sino-Soviet split had nothing to do with the West, and they had already successfully reproached by '89, just in time for the USSR to collapse:

      https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/topics/sino-soviet-rapprochement-1985-1989

      Nixon was a swine.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        My father likes to say that whereas "America's business is war, China's business is business." The sino-soviet split may have started with the Chinese going cold on Khrushchev, but Nixon eased it along. It's not like he could've forseen a rapprochement a decade down the line that hardly mattered since the ruskies would end up collapsing due to the Afghanistan quagmire and Gorby's antics anyway. China can hardly be blamed for putting their own interests first in any case.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Nixon eased it along.
          They had already fought a border war and completely terminated most forms of cooperation by the time Nixon got involved.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >they had already successfully reproached by '89, just in time for the USSR to collapse
        They reproached because the USSR was collapsing.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          The USSR would've survived to this day had Gorby used the violence Deng was willing to use to keep their slave empire together.

          The rapproachment with China was the worst foreign policy idea any administration has had since FDR refused to terminate Lend-Lease in '43.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The USSR would've survived to this day had Gorby
            There is your problem

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The USSR would've survived to this day had Gorby used the violence Deng was willing to use to keep their slave empire together.
            it would've devolved into a civil war that destroyed much of the soviet union's infrastructure. the ussr was only 50% russian while china is 90% han and only had to suppress a tiny revolt in tibet.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pure cope

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Basically this.

      Remember kids: you may not believe in fate, you may not think History has a course, but it does. He kinda did what he could at the time. But no Empire is eternal, and the same is true for America

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Apparently, Nixon wasn't very fond of Chinese cuisine kek

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was glowies.
    The history of post wwII isn't taught to anyone, but it involves the US MIC and CIA setting up and administering the entirety of SEA.
    To this day it's fully controlled by these powers and you can see that by the navy that surrounds her.
    Nixon was based and loved the USA, but he was basically Trump who could easily be duped and didn't actually know what was good for America.

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    China made the decision to open up. From Kissinger's perspective, the question isn't whether China was going to open up or not, but who would be sitting at the table when it did. If it wasn't the U.S., it'd be Europe or Japan.

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    America trades with china

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Dude I fricking love plastic rice, lead paint on children's toys, widespread intellectual property theft, chemically tainted pet food, garbage quality steel and disintigrating car tires.

      What would we ever do without cheap Chinese shit? Why, we would have to start printing metric fricktonnes of money just to keep the economy going.

      Oh, wait. We have to do that already. Well, we would have to reduce our total dependency on a just-in-time global supply chain with absolutely zero redundancies in case one link in the chain fails, one that already nearly failed due to a particularly virulent cough.

      Hmm, couldn't that be construed as a good thing? Better not think about it too much.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        take your meds. trade is good.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          DUDE I LOVE FENTANYL

          I AM SO HAPPY THAT INTERNATIONAL TRADE WITH GENOCIDAL DICTATORS ALLOWS LETHAL POISONS TO BE SHIPPED TO MY HOMETOWN

          YOU SHOULD TRY IT SOMETIME I HEAR ITS PLEASANT

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            lol so it was free trade and good when britain forced opium into china, but now it's bad because mutts are dying
            kwab

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        is there a more pathetic Firstworldoid whiny cope than "intellectual property theft?"

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    But anon, this deal allowed speculators to offshore most of your industry to China where their slave labor can produce mountains of mediocre goods for pennies on the dollar less than it cost to produce them domestically.

    Consider the savings, consider your stockholders. No more unions, no more uppity rednecks with a decent paycheck making us look less wealthy, more people on the dole and in our pockets come election time. Who cares if America loses it's self-sufficency? That's mostly the point anyways.

    It's a win-win for everyone who was directly involved, roll out the suicide nets.

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think this shit is way more preplanned than we think.
    Industrialize china, china industrialized Africa with the belt and roads initiative, now the whole world is industrialized and ready for the next phase. Or something like that.

    • 5 months ago
      Chud Anon

      >BUT BREAD TUBE SAID CAPITAL IS LE BAD

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      There's a dialectical axiom: "one divides into two." I think Mao saw China's relationship with the USSR in that way, but there's insight that there are always potential allies who can be won over too, and failing to do that can be catastrophic in changing circumstances. Then if you were the U.S., you could just do nothing, but you'd also isolate yourself from this change that was going to have an impact on the world no matter what. But that might have unpredictable consequences.

      From Kissinger's point of view, you have to advance U.S. interests, but you also balance those interests with the interests of the world too. It was in the interest of the world to check Soviet power, and in that moment the interests of the U.S. and China in checking Soviet power aligned. If Soviet power was not checked, then there would be World War III. The point is to be flexible and adapt to changes in the world.

      So maybe the opposite is also true: "two can divide into one." China and the U.S. were two and become one as one divided into two. But that may also be only temporary like everything else. The "unity" (so to speak) between the U.S. and China cannot last. There's a beginning, middle, and end. And then they will divide again.

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Having at least some sort of working relationship with China seems a lot more pragmatic than good relations with Taiwan.

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >it should've been us!
    cope and seethe more pajeet. nixon simply loved china and hated india. who wouldn't?

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    with these meetings, these leaders decided the fate of their countries today

    • 5 months ago
      Chud Anon

      > these leaders decided the fate of their countries today

      Not really, because India today is controlled by the right wing opposition party to the socialists

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        elected in 2014, decades after the cold war ended and india is still africa tier poor.

        • 5 months ago
          Chud Anon

          Non sequitir

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            no, your comment is a non sequitur. whether india has a "right wing" government today is irrelevant to the fact that india was left behind in the dust by china from the 1990s onwards, directly as a consequence of india choosing to ally with the soviets in the cold war
            I know you're low IQ and brown, but can you try using what brain matter you have?

  12. 5 months ago
    Chud Anon

    >force your enemy to consneed to your geopolitical aims (accepting capitalism)
    >isolate the USSR

    It was a geopolitical triumph

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