>no good xdotool equivalent. >can't script window locations. >can't enable tearing

>no good xdotool equivalent
>can't script window locations
>can't enable tearing

Why did I fall for this meme, I don't have the time to set up my system again, pile of garbage I should've never left X

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    actually xdotool is a security flaw, window locations should have never been accessible to Xorg clients, and tearing is bad and you only get it without compositing which should be mandatory.
    maybe what you meant to ask was "how do I enable RDP and send remote input to my desktop from a headless server?"

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Security flaw
      Seriously how many times has Xorg been used for security breaches? SystemD is a much much bigger security flaw than Xorg.

      Xorg should have better defaults to disable tearing, yea I can agree to that. Wayland still shit. Can't even get window icon to be properly made.

      Game studios have even harder time to make games now to make it run on wayland and xirg. Linux is gonna end up being CompatibilityLayerOS. 99% of xorg security flaws are only flaws if you install mallware, and then it doesn't really matter if you have xorg, the m,alware gonna target something else most likely. The other 1% needs manual tinkering and that's on the user. You gonna start to disable features that are unsafe if the user is dumb or can't use it securely? Heck just remove ssh server because that's a security flaw most have same login and password as on facebook.

      Seriously, "Oh ppl gonna make a bad decision using xorg so we need to replace it."
      Brilliant take, absolutely brilliant. Wayland gonna disable text editors because some ppl save passwords in unencrypted text documents?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Linux is gonna end up being CompatibilityLayerOS.
        it already is that.
        sometimes I feel that linux should go the lennart poetering way of doing things and slap every thing into SystemD and be done with it.
        The X vs Wayland divide is really moronic and there's no single good argument to justify gayland support over improving X. All I see is that there are no good developers around anymore.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Aren’t you a good developer that wants to work for free anon? Good news, you can do it!

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          > The X vs Wayland divide
          There is no divide.
          X11 just works and Wayland can be safely ignored.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Moreover, more people have downloaded mallicious python modules, but the solution wasn't to remove all the fricking modules and stop people from installing them, the solution was to encourage the use of venv. Linux mindset is just, "ban everything I disagree with."
      Wayland proponents unironically would hit a button that deleted xorg from existence just to force others to use their shitland and think others will be thankful in the long run.

      Fricking, chromeium is a bigger security flaw than Xorg, if you unironically cared about security you would work on improving and fixing X or be a proponent of that. New things will get more issues than old tried and true, just cleaning up that codebase is much better.

      However I do understand that it isn't fun, and new things are fun and exciting and if ppl wouldn't develop wayland they wouldn't spend time cleaning up Xorg anyway, I get that. But I am not gonna pretend wayland really cares about security that much, just an excuse to make something new and exciting.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >wayland troony project is Linux
        ???

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Moreover, more people have downloaded mallicious python modules, but the solution wasn't to remove all the fricking modules and stop people from installing them, the solution was to encourage the use of venv.
        venv is not a security boundary

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >work on improving and fixing X
        Why didn't you do it then? If it's that simple?

        Xorg is unmaintainable, 20 years old garbage that no sane person would touch.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >many Wayland maintainers are former and current Xorg maintainers
          >they touch Xorg
          >anyone touching Xorg is insane
          So you agree that the Wayland devs are insane?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      you fricking gayland Black folk are absolutely insufferable, kys

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >are insufferable
        Were not the ones making multiple daily Wayland troll/hate threads
        Xorg is over, it’s time to move on

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yea, same here, wayland breaks my workflow entirely.
    Doesn't run on my old hardware either so I need to maintain different setups. But I always have a backup of my xorg config, so whenever I make a new install I just download the file from my server and run custom made install script.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    dotool is good
    https://sr.ht/~geb/dotool/
    Although I don't actually use wayland lol

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    ydotool
    Works in my compositor
    Works in my compositor

    Now kys

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that the wayland security argument is complete bullshit. Nested X servers have been demonstrated and would achieve the same thing. You could even just make it possible to virtualize X11 clients so they don't have full access.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      X has had a security extensions available for it since before wayland even began. if people wanted to use it, they could have

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >can't enable tearing
        Bullshit. See pic related.

        It works out of the box on Wayland. I don't need to worry about tinkering.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >It works out of the box on Wayland.
          What works? Security? I bet they simply use a sub-compositor when they do sandboxing, if any compositor implements app sandboxing at all.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >if people wanted to use it, they could have
        that's not how security works

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody pretended to care about display server security, but suddenly Wayland's main argument was security.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    you deserve what you get for installing blatant tranyware

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >doesnt have a dotfiles repo to easily revert
    sounds like a (You) issue

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Works on my machine.
    Everyone is moving to wayland. You are free to maintain Xorg if you want to.

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