Objectively reality does not exist. Everything we perceive in the world is a product of our senses and mind

Objectively reality does not exist. Everything we perceive in the world is a product of our senses and mind

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    so youre saying it might exist its just your subjective opinion that it doesnt

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Give me an argument for empiricism that isn't circular. I'll wait.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    unfalsifiable nonsense

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's literally the prime argument *against* objective reality, you raging moron.

      Why are people on IQfy so stupid?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        if both positions are unfalsifiable, then the question is meaningless and a waste of our time. Now go and think of a thread idea that WON’T be a waste of my time.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Objective reality will never be known.
          Subjective reality is the one and only thing we know to exist certainly.
          The notion of objective reality controlling the strings outside of our senses is, quite literally, the exact same argument as big white man in sky controlling our fate.
          Why do redditards pollute this board so greatly with their fairytales? At least the christcucks here argue for morality. You freaks just want war and division and control.

          You need to rope for your sin of scientism and gross stupidity. I dearly hope you suffer greatly.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            K, let me know when this philosophy helps us defeat the aliens. Or the Chinese. Or helps you have sex with hot women. (It won’t)

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You replied in 0.2 seconds. Let me know when you do any of those things either, big boy.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I objectively fricked your mom last night nerd.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Phoneposter utilitarian pseuds BTFO

            Think about it this way: every measuring instrument has an error margin. The measurements may be off by a thousandth part or two, but it will be within a certain range. Scientists are supposed to disclose that range as part of their findings, and might use multiple instruments to get more data.
            Similarly, different people will have different views of reality due to different senses and judgement, but they're all observing the same phenomenon. The truth will be where all these observations and opinions overlap. That's why they say truth is a social construct, not an individual one. Reading and listening to other people's observations is also part of gathering data for your own understanding (of course, people lie, but that's a whole other thing).
            I agree reality isn't 100% accurately observable, but our senses have been just good enough for us to survive as a species so far

          • 2 months ago
            Alectorios

            >I agree reality isn't 100% accurately observable, but our senses have been just good enough for us to survive as a species so far.
            Your use of the word reality means that you disagree with

            Objective reality will never be known.
            Subjective reality is the one and only thing we know to exist certainly.
            The notion of objective reality controlling the strings outside of our senses is, quite literally, the exact same argument as big white man in sky controlling our fate.
            Why do redditards pollute this board so greatly with their fairytales? At least the christcucks here argue for morality. You freaks just want war and division and control.

            You need to rope for your sin of scientism and gross stupidity. I dearly hope you suffer greatly.

            when they say
            >Objective reality will never be known.
            >Subjective reality is the one and only thing we know to exist certainly.

            See, your use of the word reality implies that you do think that there is an objective world out there. The distinction is that you are admitting that human sensory organs, measuring tools and brains are insufficient to grasp 100% objective reality. This fella, and OP, are saying that objective reality either does not exist or might not exist. It seems that you do not agree with either of those statements since you think that objective reality does exist.

            I'm curious, what percentage of objective reality do you think that human beings are capable of understanding?

            To me, I think that we objective reality at a 99.9% rate. Where it gets dicey is when you talk objective morality. To that I think that we naturally understand 1% of that and it requires significant education through parental guidance, experience and self determination.

          • 2 months ago
            Alectorios

            Phoneposter utilitarian pseuds BTFO

            Think about it this way: every measuring instrument has an error margin. The measurements may be off by a thousandth part or two, but it will be within a certain range. Scientists are supposed to disclose that range as part of their findings, and might use multiple instruments to get more data.
            Similarly, different people will have different views of reality due to different senses and judgement, but they're all observing the same phenomenon. The truth will be where all these observations and opinions overlap. That's why they say truth is a social construct, not an individual one. Reading and listening to other people's observations is also part of gathering data for your own understanding (of course, people lie, but that's a whole other thing).
            I agree reality isn't 100% accurately observable, but our senses have been just good enough for us to survive as a species so far

            Objective reality will never be known.
            Subjective reality is the one and only thing we know to exist certainly.
            The notion of objective reality controlling the strings outside of our senses is, quite literally, the exact same argument as big white man in sky controlling our fate.
            Why do redditards pollute this board so greatly with their fairytales? At least the christcucks here argue for morality. You freaks just want war and division and control.

            You need to rope for your sin of scientism and gross stupidity. I dearly hope you suffer greatly.

            Edit: I think that we *accurately observe* objective reality at a 99.9% rate.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I know I disagree with OP, I was just trying to get them to see my point of view. Which I now realize is meaningless because they doubled down in manipulated-brain Cartesianism. I think that kind of thinking rather comes from some psychic-emotional issues of derealization, same problem Plato had.

            I do think 99.9% is too generous, especially when it comes to historical knowledge with not many sources. I have really bad myopia too. And you might perceive something but not understand it unless you really study your field and it becomes your niche. Or maybe you have no money to go experience the things you want to understand. Yes, this actually affects epistemology in my opinion.
            It really depends on your own senses and what you're trying to understand. And it's a skill that gets better with training.

          • 2 months ago
            Alectorios

            Brain in a vat is an annoying argument. Yeah bro, we've all seen the matrix.
            99.9% was said more so for effect than to put a real number to it.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ok sure your senses and mind made up the whole population of Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Colombian singer Joe Arroyo never actually existed and all of his music is just a figment of your specific imagination. You are so talented.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      How do I know any of those things exist? The only thing I know is that I felt the sensation of someone telling me that they exist. The person who thinks that they directly observed Kuala Lumpur actually only experienced it through their senses so they can't truly know they exist either

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you're so solipsistic why do you assume there's other persons at all?

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Almost. It's an interactions between us that creates the metaphysical structures we call culture.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    How about you perceive these nuts.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Everything we perceive in the world is a product of our senses and mind
    Most of it is also a product of the things perceived by our senses, which objectively exist.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      How do you know that? You could be a brain in a vat for all you know

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        How do you know that it's possible for someone with our kind of experiences to be a brain in a vat? It's an alright premise for a science fiction story, but could it actually be done? The only way you'd know is if someone successfully did it, which as far as I know they haven't. So I'm not willing to grant that I could be a brain in a vat.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Buy some crackers instead

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is a moronic lie that God tells because he thinks it justifies him abusing me somehow. Reality is entirely controlled by a mind that is hostile and opposed to mine. If my mind controlled reality there would be nothing that could oppose my will, nothing that could impose its will on me, I would live the life that I desire, I would not be forced to self-identify and live as "a medieval peasant", "worker", "farm equipment", "tenant", etc with access to anything considered good being violently gatekept from me so that a mind that is hostile, separate and opposed to mine can self-identify as "a king" or "the boss", etc. If my mind controlled reality I would be the one in control of my life but I'm not. It's just such a blatantly moronic lie to even try to tell because it's verifiably false. If "my mind" controls reality that means I would be able to manifest my will even in fantastic ways like making myself more attractive, taller, talented, magically powerful, winning the lottery, etc whereas I;m unable to manifest my will even in mundane ways, for example going to the store and buying a sandwhich. If my mind decides that I'm going to walk to the store and buy a sandwhich then I get threatened, terrorized, abused, harassed, etc for it, that means my mind doesn't control reality, my reality is controlled by something that can oppose my mind even in very mundane attempts to manifest my will. All I have to do to prove that my mind doesn't control reality is THINK about anime in my mind and watch the separate, hostile mind that controls my reality start to harass, terrorize, threaten, abuse etc me. I get abused if I even think about desirable things. If my mind controlled reality I would have desirable things, I wouldn't get abused for thinking about them. My reality is entirely controlled by something separate from me and hostile to me.

    • 2 months ago
      Alectorios

      >This is a moronic lie that God tells...
      You mean that Satan tells.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The thingthat controls material reality is God. Satan is just what God prefers to be called when he does evil things because he believes it absolves him of responsibility somehow because he's moronic.

        • 2 months ago
          Alectorios

          If it wasn't already obvious, our definitions of God are different.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Objectively reality does not exist. Everything we perceive in the world is a product of our senses and mind
    Including this perception. You just refuted yourself.
    >All Cretans are liars.
    -t. Epimenides the Cretan

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What do you mean “our”? You are not real, you only exist in my head.

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