Ok I finished my novel. Now what? Publish it or Google an editor?

Ok I finished my novel. Now what? Publish it or Google an editor?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    give it away for free and hope that anyone gives enough of a shit to read it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shouldn't I charge?

      https://i.imgur.com/atBN4vY.png

      It's an YA romance, right?

      Mystery, I'm sure ya could enjoy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Shouldn't I charge?
        hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ?

          I hope you sell the rights for $20,000 and it becomes the worlds biggest blockbuster with franchises in all over the world and then no one believes you when you say you created that, they just say "lol LARP schizo lmao".

          Why?

          https://i.imgur.com/mLs4r31.jpg

          Do you want an editor? I just finished another Cold War novel.

          Nice anon, I was thinking about an editor just because it's my first

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, people don't pay to read things anymore.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sometimes

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not unless your name starts with a "Stephen" and ends with a "King".

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Damn

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How much could you afford for an editor? Feel free to hit us up at

            https://www.fiverr.com/matthewg42

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I make 137k/yr so I have money to splurge

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you make two times more than me. let me guess, some coding bullshit?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In defense contracting industry, I'm not gonna do this forever so it doesn't matter all that much

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You look pretentious af

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sorry about your genetics

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No one reads free stuff, because it being free implies it has no value
      You have to charge it, in fact, if you charge it above average you might actually gather attention

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's an YA romance, right?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I will say a prayer for you when I get home from work, that you may have success

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know what success really is with a novel. Having even a couple people read or God forbid pay for it would but a unreal

      • 3 weeks ago
        Cult of Passion

        I hope you sell the rights for $20,000 and it becomes the worlds biggest blockbuster with franchises in all over the world and then no one believes you when you say you created that, they just say "lol LARP schizo lmao".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/uS8jQ6n.jpg

      Ok I finished my novel. Now what? Publish it or Google an editor?

      I will offer an hecatomb in apollo's name for you OP

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Doing the Lord's work

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you want an editor? I just finished another Cold War novel.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I said my prayer. Best of luck

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks anon

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How the hell do you even get a book published anyway

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You get an agent, who handles submissions for you. No big publisher these days accepts unagented manuscripts.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How much are agents?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They are like real estate agents. You dont pay anything until you get a contract with a publisher. They all take 15%, no more, no less. But they can negotiate a better contract than you ever will.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How much does the publisher usually get if they sell 1000 books at say 10 dollars?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It really depends on the contract. But as an author you arent going to make any royalties until you meet your advance check. The volume of sales you get make up for the cut the others take usually. You have to be on top of your game to thrive as an independent author, financially speaking.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Self publish, it takes 2 seconds and nobody will ever read it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ask Robert James Cross

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How do you get a book published in a foreign country? Are there agents who accept this?

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'll pray for you annon we are In a similar situation i am at work tho

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have a chat with unreal press. They've published IQfy novels before and are looking for new projects atm https://twitter.com/_Unreal_Press

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't it better to publish yourself, though?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Depends on what you think better is.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I suppose I would define better as having absolute control over your creation, even if it means sacrificing some of the benefits an editor could give you. That's something I would consider to be better, personally.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You are right. Not all contracts give you that power. In fact, most contracts give publishers full control over the title and cover art.
          I even heard a horror story where a book got published by a long time author, and her first sentence was completely removed by an editor last minute without telling her. So yeah, things can go wrong. Depending on your contract, an editor might end up with more authority and completely recontextualize a book.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nah I'd definitely sacrifice 15% to have a chance of it not just dying immediately on Amazon like everything self published

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You are right. Not all contracts give you that power. In fact, most contracts give publishers full control over the title and cover art.
          I even heard a horror story where a book got published by a long time author, and her first sentence was completely removed by an editor last minute without telling her. So yeah, things can go wrong. Depending on your contract, an editor might end up with more authority and completely recontextualize a book.

          Just keep merchandising and you're good

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    HOW DO I SELF PUBLISH
    if I put it on my website in the dark dusty reaches of the internet no one will ever find it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what about amazon?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Amazon is owned by bezos and he uses all the books there to generate AI slop

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the feds use our posts here to generate AIslop as well, thobeit

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did you finish because you wrote "The End," or did you finish because you went through a full editorial process?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wrote, end of draft 1

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Delete the whole thing and start over.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Seems counterproductive

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who is the book interacting with? The ideas in your books come from somewhere, if it's about programming in Turbo Pascal you should try finding some kind of Turbo Pascal community and check for interest there with excerpts.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      my book is completely original and the ideas don't come from anyone

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Twin peaks fans

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    homie just drop it here and get feedback from anons. If it's very bad take the least expensive route, if it's good you can invest in it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd rather hear from people outside of IQfy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're better off doing that. I wrote a series of short stories which featured stuff like guy who was shooting Tren into the tip of his wiener at the office, getting a boner from the Tren and shuffling out of the office. I got good feedback from normies, including needing to put disclaimers about stories like that, but also that the story made them laugh. IQfy probably wouldn't help you make the story more marketable.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >including needing to put disclaimers about stories like that
          That's gay as frick. Don't listen to gay normies.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I honestly do. There was a girl in the writers workshop who was writing stories about a tall white guy whisking away a Hindu self insert (herself) and it was really Harry Potter tier / romantic teen literature and my story really upset her. I feel guilty about it still because some girls really can't handle out there ideas.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >about a tall white guy whisking away a Hindu self insert (herself)
            lol

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >my story really upset her
            Why?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's a little demented. It's about a short accountant who hates his boss because he's tall / handsome and often jerk offs in the office bathroom at work. The scene where he injects his "retreating dickhead" with steroids really upset her.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >dude just void FNASR!
      >what's the worst that could happen?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's easy to disregard people on here who talk like that because it's obvious they don't know what they're talking about

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Im a few steps ahead of you. I'll green text

    >be me
    >endure 3 grueling years of work, but finally finish manuscript
    >feel like it almost killed me
    >waver about hiring editor, eventually decide its for the best
    >pay $3,000
    >editor likes it a lot, fills document file with minor changes, offers some ideas for larger reworks if i want
    >decide against the larger reworks
    >spend 9 months on the "minor' edits he filled my book with (had nearly 500 comments through out my word file)
    >after nearly 4 years on this one book i decide it is done and i've poured in all i can
    >send it out to literary agents
    >all rejections so far (90% of literary agents of women and my book is written for men)
    >of the 5 people that have read at least some of it, 0/3 women liked it and 2/2 men loved it

    my plan now is to wait a little longer as the rejections come in so i can publish on Amazon with a clear conscience. then follow the steps that other IQfy anon did
    >kirkus review
    >book sirens
    >look into some marketing if i can afford it

    goddamn though i was look into getting and audiobook done, and that shit is going to cost like $2k minimum. and thats with me doing half the work of organizing everything.
    shit sucks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Have you thought that maybe your book just sucks ass? If 3 of the 5 people you know, regardless of gender, didn't like your writing then it should at least warrant some self analysis on the content. Yes, trad publishing is female dominate but you need to play to the judge if you're expecting to go that route. Also the fact that you keep pointing out how "for men" it is the more it sounds like a cope.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're wrong, he's right. Avoid women at all cost. Ignore female advice. If a company you're thinking about working with employs women in decision making roles turn 360 degrees and walk out.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're going to have a hard enough time getting published as it is; you certainly don't need to make it worse by giving up on half of the population, especially when it's the half that's very overrepresented as literary consumers.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >just become a vapid androgynous cuckboy and beg mindless media drones for approval
            >sure this book may shape philosophy for the next thousand years but just add a sexy werewolf ok
            Frick you.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            NTA but your fear of women is low t and more "cuckboy" than him

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Predictably brainwashed illiterate idiot show up to protect m'lady
            If you're braindead enough not to even notice the effect women have on everything they touch you have no mind. You will never say anything slightly interesting or insightful about any subject. You are a slave completely devoid of any will or thought process of your own.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You will never say anything slightly interesting or insightful about any subject.
            Because repeating the same tired IQfy incel whining is very original and interesting, right? How daring of you to blame women for everything. Why don't you tell us how you feel about the israelites? I'm sure you have some stunningly unique insights for us.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You don't like women because you're a low t incel

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You have no clue who I am or how I feel about anything, you don't have the instinct to be curious about such things so you just make up your own stories. Everything you think you know about the world is informed by stale internet memes.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You have no clue who I am or how I feel about anything, you don't have the instinct to be curious
            You need to be 18 to post here kiddo

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Modern women are trash.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You have no clue who I am or how I feel about anything, you don't have the instinct to be curious about such things so you just make up your own stories. Everything you think you know about the world is informed by stale internet memes.

            >Incel screeching because they can't have sex
            Go to IQfy to whine about being a pussy

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I have plenty of sex, thanks. It's not hard to do. Modern women are still trash.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >sure this book may shape philosophy for the next thousand years
            aww, baby has a big ego, doesn't he?
            how adorable

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You will never say anything slightly interesting or insightful about any subject.
            Because repeating the same tired IQfy incel whining is very original and interesting, right? How daring of you to blame women for everything. Why don't you tell us how you feel about the israelites? I'm sure you have some stunningly unique insights for us.

            Even here and now you braindead spiritually female men are injecting yourselves into cultures and discussions you don't understand on any level and have no interest in sincerely trying to understand anything about. What motivates morons like you? What is the fricking point of actively working to undermine everything good including basic communication? Just stay out of shit you don't understand and aren't interested in trying to understand. Stick to your werewolf fantasies and gossip mags. It would never occur to me to barge into your hobbies and try to make Harry Potter about the history of aircraft carriers. Why can't you vapid holes show the same level of basic fricking decency?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >a man couldn't possibly disagree with me, it must be some angry feminist strawman who stumbled into this discussion
            Guys like you are the real npcs. It's like they stamp you out in a factory with identical worldviews, identical opinions, identical reactions to confrontation. A bot would do a better job at original discourse than you've managed in this thread.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you certainly don't need to make it worse by giving up on half of the population
            you cant be all things to all people. thats not how books are sold. you write to demographics.

            you've obviously never sold a thing because the first thing agents ask is
            >who are you trying to sell this to
            >whats the demographic

            it is impossible to write something EVERYONE wants to read, just like it is impossible to create a piece of music that everyone wants to listen to. human beings arent like that

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/uNUXe4D.png

            >everyone likes the same things
            lol
            lmao

            you sound delusional enough to be one of those women in the industry that is currently killing it.

            i was convince my writing was good after the 6th time my editor told me how incredible my world building was, and after the hour and a half phone converstion i had with my first reader where he was excitedly talking non stop about it. even if i dont sell a lot, from those two opinions alone i feel like i've suceeded

            >it is impossible to write something EVERYONE wants to read
            I don't recall ever suggesting that your target audience should be the entire world but if you can't write something that men and women can enjoy, even if they're not enjoying it equally, then you're a shit writer. It's already apparent from your typing and your logic that you're not a literary person but seeing you appeal to film and cite your "worldbuilding" as evidence of your writing skill makes me think that it's even worse than one would expect from your posts.

            Post some excerpts from your masterpiece so I can rip into you properly, ok?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Post some excerpts from your masterpiece so I can rip into you properly, ok?
            you can buy it when it comes out like everyone else

            i have no interest in writing to appease women. you are not the people im writing for.

            you (you specifically) dont understand that different people like different things, so theres no point arguing with you. sure there are universal qualities that everyone can enjoy, and that elevate pieces of writing, but those gems are too buried in all the other stuff that girls wouldnt be interested.

            for instance i have an action scene where one of my male readers literally called me up while he was reading as was like
            >holy shit this is amazing
            and then one of my female readers got into that same section and skipped it entirely because
            >she doesnt find action all that entertaining

            the fact i have to explain this to you shows how naive and ignorant you are.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i have an action scene
            >my editor told me how incredible my world building was
            You're not serious, are you?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            lol i forgot its current year and the only thing that interests you people is black trans morons dealing systemic racism and overcoming the cis white hetero patriarchy. frick off

            like i said, people like you infest the book industry and its why over half of all traditionally published books sell less than twelve copies. you pretentious morons hate fun, and its painfully obvious

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >lol i forgot its current year and the only thing that interests you people is black trans morons dealing systemic racism and overcoming the cis white hetero patriarchy
            How intensely embarrassing for you. You're not even a person. You've allowed yourself to be molded into a mindless stereotype; the right wing equivalent of the left wing strawmen you're so obsessed with. Imagine thinking that you could write anything worth reading when you're so utterly devoid of anything resembling an original thought.

            The reason you write genre fiction is because you have no personality, you have no thoughts, you have no insights. All you have is many years wasted reading escapist literature and playing escapist video games and now you're making some sad attempt to mimic all the slop you've consumed. But just like your political opinions, if we could even call them that, your writing is reactionary trash; an unthinking reflection of the garbage you consume.

            No wonder you have nothing to recommend it except "worldbuilding". Not the prose, not the themes, not the characters, no, just that you spent hours autistically plotting out the meaningless details of your imaginary world. You won't post your writing because you're ashamed of it, as you should be.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >this much seething
            haha it was referencing the low book sales that really pissed you off wasn't it? because there's just no argument against it.

            in regards to my writing, I'm quite happy with it. You're a woman so you don't understand the fun of world building, fantasy elements, imagining things that could never be, etc, but I'll try to explain it.

            An author's greatest weapon is the reader's own imagination, and this is what i try to play to. Imagining worlds might not have the "social consequences" of something like the chiding racial lectures that pervade the modern writing landscape, but it has a strength of it's own: world building takes the reader out of their own life. It gives the reader a brief respite from the drudgery of modern day life. This is what's called fun (you may be unfamiliar with the term, in which case please look it up)

            On another note, its ironic that you so vehemently accuse me of dealing in stereotypes, then turn around and spout nothing but all your own stereotypes (pic related)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >everyone likes the same things
        lol
        lmao

        you sound delusional enough to be one of those women in the industry that is currently killing it.

        i was convince my writing was good after the 6th time my editor told me how incredible my world building was, and after the hour and a half phone converstion i had with my first reader where he was excitedly talking non stop about it. even if i dont sell a lot, from those two opinions alone i feel like i've suceeded

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >my editor told me how incredible my world building was
          Oh dear.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >women prefer stories about women and feminine themes
          >men prefer stories about men and masculine themes
          wow incredible what insight

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Men cannot write believable women. Women can write believable men

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Women can write believable men

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm you at the copyeditor stage. Good news is, seems like women also enjoy what I write. Even if it's edgy, if your story establishes that you understand female perspective early on, she will stay with you.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >if your story establishes that you understand female perspective
        i dont
        >she will stay with you.
        i dont want female readers to begin with

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Guys guys.

    I completed a scifi manuscript after 4 years of hard work. 3 out of 40 agents liked it, but unfortunately declined. Almost all my beta readers said it was good.

    I'm going to be spending 8k on marketing it as a self published work, any chance if I do it smartly and host real life events in addition I can sell 1000 copies? I would consider that a moderate success. I would be very happy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what are you using for marketing?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Amazon Ads, Google Ads, Reddit Ads and Facebook advertising.

        Hosting real life signings, coordinated with indie and official bookstores. Holding giveaways from goodreads. Msybe taking out a print ad in a major newspaper. Using twitter and social media to aggressively market. Submitting book to book reviewer podcasters and youtubers, doing interviews

        I would like to sell 800-1000 copies, after that, its just a bonus. I'm willing to spend 8 to 10 k on marketing.

        Also, my book has been professionally edited, and I know I'll be likely operating at a loss marketing it with the money, but if just Half of the people reading it like it, I feel they'd sign up for my mailing list and buy the second book, where i can garner more readers for less money advertising. I don't know, but decent plan? I'm trying to have very realistic expectations.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          who did you go with for cover design?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Haven't gone with anyone yet, but I'm going to pay 500-750 for a decent tier cover. I'm planning on publishing this fall. It's young adult scifi

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            u cant draw?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm going with an artist I follow in Instagram. Gonna get her to do the front and back. Like her art style

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Amazon Ads, Google Ads, Reddit Ads and Facebook advertising.
          Don't forget IQfy ads.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You could work on publishing small things first if you haven't already. An agent/publisher/whatever is probably going to be leery of somebody with no track record, so having short stories or poetry published in reputable places would make a better first impression. Plus they can check out said shorter works before having to commit to reading your novel.

            The only guy I've seen report his results with IQfy ads admitted it was a total failure, though he also admitted to a lot of marketing mistakes (a blog post the guy wrote about it: open.substack.com/pub/decentralizedfiction/p/how-to-spectacularly-fail-at-marketing).

            I doubt IQfy has a large enough population to make the ad costs worth it even if you pull it off well, and I don't know of any cases where IQfy pushed someone's writing into the mainstream.

            Ask Robert James Cross

            send all manuscripts to [email protected]

            These guys are clowns. The deal involves giving 50% of your profits to the drug addicted editor (100% if he decides not to pay out, considering the only person (Robert) to work with him has yet to be paid in all of four months since his book came out), and it's just going on Amazon KDP anyway. Tons more issues on top of that (copyright issues, prolific typos, bad editing decisions, pyramid scheme bullshit), so this editor is a confirmed hack. And zero reach if you look at it from the marketing angle.

            Unreal (another "/lit/" group, but their real presence is on Discord) has also been mentioned, and they're not as sketchy, but they've also got a record of bad editing and a total lack of professionalism. Plus it's still just a simple Amazon KDP thing with zero reach, so not worth your time.

            If you do decide to self-publish, learn to do it on your own. Basic typesetting stuff isn't too hard to figure out, and you get to keep that skill forever. Cover art can be purchased outright if need be. Marketing is the tough part and where the real cost is going to come from. I know some print-on-demand services (Lulu at least) will give you an ISBN (or you can use your own) and cross-list your book on book retailer websites as well as Amazon (getting it on physical shelves requires the stores choosing to order and stock your book, which is probably a longshot, but this enables that). And with the print-on-demand stuff you can order your own copies at-cost with volume discounts if you want to try selling them yourself or whatever. This anon

            Amazon Ads, Google Ads, Reddit Ads and Facebook advertising.

            Hosting real life signings, coordinated with indie and official bookstores. Holding giveaways from goodreads. Msybe taking out a print ad in a major newspaper. Using twitter and social media to aggressively market. Submitting book to book reviewer podcasters and youtubers, doing interviews

            I would like to sell 800-1000 copies, after that, its just a bonus. I'm willing to spend 8 to 10 k on marketing.

            Also, my book has been professionally edited, and I know I'll be likely operating at a loss marketing it with the money, but if just Half of the people reading it like it, I feel they'd sign up for my mailing list and buy the second book, where i can garner more readers for less money advertising. I don't know, but decent plan? I'm trying to have very realistic expectations.

            sounds like he has a good idea of what to do.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Too much money, self publish on amazog, create an anonymous Twitter handle, and self promote to people who might like your book.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Give it an evocative cover and buy IQfy ads. You can't go wrong

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Collin?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I liked your draft if it’s actually u

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    burn it and forget

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Put up an ad at your local university for a creative writing major to edit it. Or get an agent and ask for a professional editor.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How much do professional editors charge?

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    unreal press.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you want to publish traditionally, try to muster up some short stories and get those in university publications. You can bring those publications to the would-be novel publisher and it will make them more interested.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >university publications
      you mean like there are journals for fiction like they have for science or medicine or humanities?
      first time in my life I hear about something like this
      (what is this world coming to?)

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