Origin of Civilization

Did ANF create ANY civilizations? Minoans, Romans, Mycenae... all had a foreign Steppe or CHGrosian element. Did ANF create anything on its own? Varna, Vinca and Cucuteni-Trypilia come to mind. Are these civilizations? And if yes, were they influenced by something else other than ANF?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Mycenae
    IE and no longer ANF. The Romans claim is even more bizarre. Was iron age Britain ANF because druidic autists were banging drums around Stonehenge? ANF ceased to exist discernable after some time in Europe, Minoans are more appropriately defined as EEF after so many thousands of years farmer presence there in Crete and all of the Agean.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Frisian...

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, but he is quite based.

        you are gay??? the Mycenaeans were literally EEF (ANF ancestry)
        in fact, southern Europe was never IE...
        Shut up

        No I'm not gay for pointing out Mycenaeans spoke an IE language and had an IE culture. You can have all sorts of pre-IE elements and genetics as does most of Europe. You don't seem to understand how ethnogenesis works.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Varna, Vinca, Cucuteni-Trypilia and Minoans were EEF albeit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks for proving my point
          😉
          Furthermore, as you said;
          cultural and linguistic elements******
          That's not all that defines an IE, genetics is significant.
          and the Mycenaeans had ridiculously low steppe DNA ancestry, like all southern Europeans.
          Furthermore, they should be considered more as "heirs" of an IE culture than literally IE people.
          Mexicans, Brazilians, Peruvians, etc. are not Spanish or Portuguese LOL.
          in fact, the case of Peru and Bolivia was similar to the "conquest" of the steppes.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            and even culturally...
            They wasn't even as IE as you imagine.
            and the language that you mentioned, do You know that the ancient Greek language (I'm talking about classical Greek here) isn't even 40% IE, right? It is very EEF and even has/had words of HG origin.....
            Greece has never been predominantly IE in absolutely anything, be it language, genetics, or even culture.
            remember that the IE did not conquer the Mediterranean.
            They were probably just mercenaries from the EEF king, who, remembering, created the concept of king and were the first to forge copper and bronze and the first wheel, etc.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Linguistics and culture not all that defines an IE
            No, it is linguistically to be more exact. You're grasping at straws here at best anon.

            Mycenaean still had a lot of J2 and G

            See

            [...]
            Minoans were likely EEF, Myceneans were not. It's really straightforward linguistic and cultural realities at this point. Many Myceneans, even elites were directly descended from EEF through their fathers and mothers, but they were IE culturally.

            Didn't write the rules.

            and even culturally...
            They wasn't even as IE as you imagine.
            and the language that you mentioned, do You know that the ancient Greek language (I'm talking about classical Greek here) isn't even 40% IE, right? It is very EEF and even has/had words of HG origin.....
            Greece has never been predominantly IE in absolutely anything, be it language, genetics, or even culture.
            remember that the IE did not conquer the Mediterranean.
            They were probably just mercenaries from the EEF king, who, remembering, created the concept of king and were the first to forge copper and bronze and the first wheel, etc.

            Sure but one could say the same for proto-Germanic and other such branches of IE languages, that there is a pre-IE substrate. I'm not arguing this from the perspective that a blonde haired man came in and raped Myceneans into existence or some chud meme.

            Whether it was of their own volition or not, Minoans adopted IE language and culture. It was an ethnogensis of a new people who spoke an IE language and held IE gods in their pantheon. It's not up for debate really and this shouldn't be a source of resentment.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            To what extent do you define something as substrate or not?
            the Greek language is the reverse;
            an EEF language with IE substrate.
            Nobody is saying that the IE language had some EEF things in its language, we are talking to what extent and how big it is.
            in the case of the Greek language, it is essentially non-IE

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Source: ass

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you fool
            This is literally a common thing known among linguists.
            Google it like a beautiful, beautiful American child;
            "substrates of the Greek language"
            Most sources are clear about how the Greek language is major EEF

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      you are gay??? the Mycenaeans were literally EEF (ANF ancestry)
      in fact, southern Europe was never IE...
      Shut up

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Minoans were 85% ANF. They must be considered an EEF civilization. Yeah I know they had recent Churkagrosian admixture but still. Original ANF also had Churkagrosian G2.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Varna, Vinca, Cucuteni-Trypilia and Minoans were EEF albeit.

      Minoans were likely EEF, Myceneans were not. It's really straightforward linguistic and cultural realities at this point. Many Myceneans, even elites were directly descended from EEF through their fathers and mothers, but they were IE culturally.

      Didn't write the rules.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mycenaean still had a lot of J2 and G

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They had new CHG admixture that made them J2. If Minoans are a EEF civilization then so are Celts and Germanics.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How I can be an haploautist like you? Recomend me books other than David Reich ones please.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    catalhoyuk

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All civilizations except Egypt were ANF

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >If Minoans are ANF then so are Celts and Germanics.
    No, neither celts or germanics are 85% ANF

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you think the Aryans used proto-Greek EEFlets to pull their chariots when they found out equids do not flourish in the hills of Grease?

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Celts and Germanics are majority EEF like Minoans were. They are EEF civilization too.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      HAHAHAHAHA

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    All those fancy inventions and couldn't fend off a few pissed off teenagers from the forest or the sea. Sad!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Quiet, steppemonkey.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No u

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >First proto city.
    Jericho
    >Gobekli tepe
    Natufian
    >Vinca script
    Scribbles
    >First wheel found.
    Halaf wheels
    >first wagon depiction
    Uruk tablet wagons
    >First wagon discovered
    Caucasus Maykop
    >Varna King Grave
    Haplogroup T Natufian ruling over EEF
    >Oldest cities ever.
    Uruk

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm trans btw, not sure if that matters.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm trans btw, not sure if that matters.

      That's not what archeology says.
      natufiBlack person? no.
      sorry

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Natufians ruled you. Natufians taught the europoid morons agriculture. They made everything you try to wewuz.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Anatolians were colonized by Villabruna and Natufians by Anatolians, so who cares, Europeans did it first as you would expect.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Joseph your alpine mother was raped by a moor

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Natufians drank (and drink) camel urine

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Minoans had negligible amount of Steppe admixture. Myceneans copy pasted most of the art, architecture, metal forging, design and even their linera B from Minoans.

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