>Original sin in the Aquinian sense isn't biblical.

>Original sin in the Aquinian sense isn't biblical. Babies are born innocent but with a capacity and disposition for sin.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Babies are born innocent
    >Romans 3:9-18

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, I mentioned they are not inherently righteous as they have a predisposition for sin. There is just no basis for them to be condemned because they cannot understand sin.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >they cannot understand sin
        Ignorance of the law isn't an excuse anon

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The Bible says God winks at our ignorance

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I've never seen a baby sin.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >There is just no basis for them to be condemned because they cannot understand sin.
        So Romans 3:9-18 is wrong

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No it's right and mentions nothing about God's mercy on unknowing enfants

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Correct, it mentions that all men whatsoever are condemned and wicked. Either it is false, or

            Yeah, I mentioned they are not inherently righteous as they have a predisposition for sin. There is just no basis for them to be condemned because they cannot understand sin.

            is false.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Babies aren't men, my silly fren

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The true nature of original sin is obfuscated due to its uncomfortable implications

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, double predestination, proving the truth of Calvinism

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Calvinism
        >Truth

        Lol. Lmao even. Just out of curiosity, how do you know you don't have evanescent grace? For that matter how do you know you are regenerate. And just for fun, how do you ground your reason when your concept of God actively provides every misapprehension any person has ever thought and thus is not 'always truth-revealing"?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >how do you know you don't have evanescent grace? For that matter how do you know you are regenerate
          I have the Holy Spirit.
          >how do you ground your reason
          The only way it can be grounded, through the Triune God.
          >your concept of God actively provides every misapprehension any person has ever thought and thus is not 'always truth-revealing"
          First of all, my "concept of God" doesn't do anything because concepts aren't things. Secondly, you are misrepresenting the doctrine of sovereignty. The false ideas which wander into the minds of creatures are not analogous to the very speech of God; while God superintends all things whatsoever come to pass, He does not do so directly, like a puppeteer manipulating strings. It is much more accurate to think of the divine decree like God wrote a story, and then the story happened.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Children are evil.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >babies are born innocent
    So it's more moral to kill babies as soon as they're born in order to send the most amount of souls to heaven

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Atheist I take it? This isn't your thread, buddy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >selflessly damns himself to hell to guareentee heaven to others
      True Christian.

      Atheist I take it? This isn't your thread, buddy.

      LARPer.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >babies are born innocent
        So it's more moral to kill babies as soon as they're born in order to send the most amount of souls to heaven

        Christians do not conform to utilitarian ethics, but rather virtue. This is why they don't kill themselves after converting.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You have no actual argument against the selfless baby killer besides admitting babies do in fact go to hell or to purgetory forever.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The argument was enclosed in the very post you replied to. You probably think Jephthah is in heaven.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Why would an adult kill himself? He has a lifetime of sins to atone for but the baby is clearly born without sin

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >He has a lifetime of sins to atone for
            Jesus did that.

            Yes it is literally true but as an allegorical explanation of events and the consequences.

            It is a literal historical narrative.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Jesus did that
            Then the problem of sin is solved isn't it?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Amen, praise the Lord and preach the gospel. It is finished, now is the hour of His kingdom.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            so you are in agreement that original sin is solved by Jesus?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not just original sin, all the sins of the believer are washed away by His blood.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Then the premise of murdering infants by the select few in order to ensure that they do not live a life of sin and behold the glory of God as early as their souls can is also reasonable isn't it?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Why? Their souls can be redeemed from hell when the son returns to free the believers

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Because salvation is certain and not maintained by works (ie OSAS or TULIP)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Oh also, if Jesus effaacaciously atoned for your sin, as one of the elect, how did God's wrath EVER abide on you?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because the atonement is not applied to the elect until the moment of the imputation of Christ's righteousness when they believe, like how a prisoner has his release by right the moment his pardon is written, but is not actually freed until it arrives.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What sense does that make? You might as well say this applies to everyone and all they have to do is accept the pardon; remember Brooks in Shawshank?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not everyone was pardoned by the King, nor is the "acceptance" of the pardon by those He has chosen an autonomous act of their own.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            But there are all those pesky "all" passages

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In Orthodox terms, they are born with the consequence of Original sin, but not the sin itself.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What is "original sin" really? no bullshit answers please.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The corporate judgement of Adam's children in Adam as their federal head.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The corporate judgement of Adam's children in Adam as their federal head.
        Yes but judgement for what exactly?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The breaking of the covenant of works.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And how do babies violate it?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            We all violate it every day in many ways. But they don't need to violate it. It's already broken.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's the point in contention

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The breaking of the covenant of works.
            Was eating the fruit literal or allegorical? If Allegorical then what is the true meaning?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Genesis 3 is literally true.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes it is literally true but as an allegorical explanation of events and the consequences.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You are literally arguing about babies being innocent.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      all babies are innocent and some are also born contaminated by original sin due to the corruption at genesis of certain lines of peoples.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >some are also born contaminated by original sin due to the corruption at genesis of certain lines of peoples.

        you could look at is as some are born blessed by the events of genesis because that was god's plan all along to combine the spiritual and material elements

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Aquinian
    You meant Augustinian, baka

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Aah, quite right.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    have you seen how cruel children are to each other?
    like 1 and 2 year olds

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