Papacy proven by Bible

Deuteronomy 17:8-11 NKJV
“If a matter arises which is too hard for you to judge, between degrees of guilt for bloodshed, between one judgment or another, or between one punishment or another, matters of controversy within your gates, then you shall arise and go up to the place which the LORD your God chooses. And you shall come to the priests, the Levites, and to the judge there in those days, and inquire of them; they shall pronounce upon you the sentence of judgment. You shall do according to the sentence which they pronounce upon you in that place which the LORD chooses. And you shall be careful to do according to all that they order you. According to the sentence of the law in which they instruct you, according to the judgment which they tell you, you shall do; you shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left from the sentence which they pronounce upon you.”

Matthew 23:1-3 NKJV
“The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.”

(Note the parallel language between Moses and Jesus, which explicitly refutes scripture being the supreme authority over Israel)

Hebrews 13:17 NKJV
“Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.”

Ephesians 3:9-10 NKJV
“God [created] all things through Jesus Christ; to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church…”

1 Timothy 3:15 NKJV
“[The] church of the living God [is] the pillar and ground of the truth.”

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    None of those verses outright prove papal supremacy but the second one does prove that the Reformation was unquestionably a heretical movement. It's funny how Protestants call Roman-Catholics "modern Pharisees" without realizing that just means they are the legitimate authorities in Christ's eyes, no matter how corrupt.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >implying that the Papacy has the authority of Moses

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why wouldn’t it?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why would it?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            A better question is why do you think the Pharisees had it but the Papacy does not? But the answer to yours is that the moment you accept that a priest is a priest, you admit that he is ordained in his role by God, even if he is pretty bad at his job.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >why do you think the Pharisees had it
            They didn't. They were in Moses seat because they ran the temple in Jerusalem. The temple was destroyed.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They were in Moses' seat because they had his spiritual authority. The notion that any kind of priestly authority ended when the temple was destroyed is one hell of an assumption, especially considering the comments Christ made about the authority His Apostles had.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >They were in Moses' seat because they had his spiritual authority
            No they didn't. They were secular authorities with an illegitimate tradition. Christ is the only priest in the New Covenant.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, well Christ told the people to obey the commands of those "secular authorities with an illegitimate tradition." Why not apply the same logic to Roman-Catholicism?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because they actually are from Christ so ppl don’t want to, sadly

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Okay, well Christ told the people to obey the commands of those "secular authorities with an illegitimate tradition."
            Like any other secular authority like Paul and Peter commanded
            >Why not apply the same logic to Roman-Catholicism?
            Sure if you live in the Vatican City, you should follow the laws of the Vatican. Elsewhere there is no statutory requirement as it is the authority of each state to choose a state religion as negotiated following the European Wars of Religion.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Paul commands us to obey the incumbent religious leaders… “Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls”…

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, that's concerning pastors.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, and pastors aren’t elected democratically but by apostolic involvement.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            paging Dirk

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Dirk became Catholic and left his name behind in shame.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Where's the temple? The high priest? The ark? The menorah? The sacrifice for Kippur?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do
      Catholics don't practice what they teach so I guess it checks out.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Papacy proven by... Protestant Bible.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sad for Protestantism that it self-refutes.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        None of those verses outright prove papal supremacy but the second one does prove that the Reformation was unquestionably a heretical movement. It's funny how Protestants call Roman-Catholics "modern Pharisees" without realizing that just means they are the legitimate authorities in Christ's eyes, no matter how corrupt.

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        Deuteronomy 17:8-11 NKJV
        “If a matter arises which is too hard for you to judge, between degrees of guilt for bloodshed, between one judgment or another, or between one punishment or another, matters of controversy within your gates, then you shall arise and go up to the place which the LORD your God chooses. And you shall come to the priests, the Levites, and to the judge there in those days, and inquire of them; they shall pronounce upon you the sentence of judgment. You shall do according to the sentence which they pronounce upon you in that place which the LORD chooses. And you shall be careful to do according to all that they order you. According to the sentence of the law in which they instruct you, according to the judgment which they tell you, you shall do; you shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left from the sentence which they pronounce upon you.”

        Matthew 23:1-3 NKJV
        “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.”

        (Note the parallel language between Moses and Jesus, which explicitly refutes scripture being the supreme authority over Israel)

        Hebrews 13:17 NKJV
        “Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.”

        Ephesians 3:9-10 NKJV
        “God [created] all things through Jesus Christ; to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church…”

        1 Timothy 3:15 NKJV
        “[The] church of the living God [is] the pillar and ground of the truth.”

        >Papal Supremacy is not justified
        >But the Church itself is justified
        Doesn't this mean the non Roman Catholic Apostolic Churches come out on top and West Europeans are just coping?

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you extend out the Matthew quote, you realize Christ is addressing a crowd before the height of his ministry, before truly coming under attack from the pharisees. Meaning he, as he had before, was making a dileniation of lawful behavior for before and after his sacrifice.
    Moreover, you presuppose the power of the catholic church was somehow institutionalized formally at some point, rather than slowly developing over literal centuries

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Moreover, you presuppose the power of the catholic church was somehow institutionalized formally at some point, rather than slowly developing over literal centuries
      It was always going to take time for the papacy to cement its authority, the length of the process isn't itself an argument against papal supremacy because whatever you think the "correct" duration of time is would be completely arbitrary.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why? We have epistles which clearly indicate a structure of elders are the head of the church Christ left on earth, made of his apostles and his own brother. Why would Christ after his resurrection not denote such a massviely important and foundational aspect of his church?
        Unless, of course, he was aware that a structure of that nature would eventually come to serve the word or man, and not the word of God.
        And here we are, with your leader blessing sodomites and people decorating pine trees to celebrate his birth.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Peter

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Reminder. When a papist brings up development of doctrine hypothesis, you’ve already won the discussion. He’s conceded that history is not on his side.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Low IQ

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Low IQ

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well then? When are you talking to the israeli Kohens and Levites?

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Papists don't even understand the doctrine they try to force on you. Sad really

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The first exerpt says nothing of the papacy but ironically proves that the Talmud is biblically valid, as it was written down by the Sanhedrin.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Catholic equating themselves with Levites and Pharisees
    Checks out

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