peircean gnosticism

>Pain is the foundation of consciousness, something easily demonstrated by noting that it is the singular sensory experience that rationality cannot interfere with. You may as well argue that you can rationally "decide" to see blue where you're seeing red.
>The God that observes us as objects is merely a subject to an object (whatever it is contra whatever it is not)
>We're trapped inside one half of the dyad, and we can experience nothing but a vacillation in pain until we die
>The sum total of conscious experiences forms a kind of horrific field of suffering

>The Gnostics believed that the Demiurge was an evil entity that created an imperfect, horrific torture box to torment us into infinity and that the true God, whatever the totality of the "object" that our creator demon was beholden to as a constituent element, was in some way a force of salvation. They just didn't have way to conceptualize what that "true God" actually was. The best they could come up with was that it was equivalent to "pure light".

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Peirceanon, where you at

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    where is this taken from?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Recent Peirce thread. It's on warosu

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >it is the singular sensory experience that rationality cannot interfere with
    >immediately cites another sensory experience that rationality cannot interfere with
    Fricking moron lmao

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This sounds like it’s deriving from a dumb interpretation of secondness as for some reason involving pain. He defined it as involving resistance but I think this definition of secondness is not really essentially what secondness is but merely springs from his desire to define secondness in terms of volition because he probably couldn’t find a better basis. If you define secondness in terms of volition then sure it involves resistance and I guess you could interpret that as pain if you really wanted, but I think secondness also has an existence independent of volition and so that definition is merely something we can use to identify secondness and not an illustration of what secondness essentially is.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      why are there two threads on this niche intersection of topics? Totally unnecessary and almost caused me to miss seeing this thread.

      I think what bothers me the most is the fact that it implies that some kinds of sensory experiences “lack” in secondness. That couldn’t be further from the truth, and it would also be a misunderstanding of Peirce’s triadic logic. I can understand using pain as a good example of secondness as it is applied to psychology, but everything participated in firsts connected to seconds by thirds+, so defining metaphysics by pain to the neglect of everything else sounds like a serious error.

      Then again, paingay is not here to defend himself, so I’ll avoid putting words in his mouth.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I think you're also neglecting the fact that he also takes Peirce to hold every object as a combination of two subjects, chiefly identity (what something is) and difference (what something is not). I'm not sure exactly where he pulls the object as two subjects from within Peirce's thought, and its application doesn't fully convince me of the centrality of "pain" (even for the categories applied to psychology), but it highlights why he's constantly phrasing things in terms of a duality between unconsciousness and consciousness. Pain is held as a quintessential part of consciousness because nothing symbolizes "resistance" more than it. At least that's a fairer interpretation of what he believes though.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Cosmological dualism
    It was over for gnosticism before it started.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    bump

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      another bump for the morning

      last bump

      Sorry fren nobody in IQfy is smart enough for your thread. That doesn't make it a bad thread. Iktf

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        There's plenty of people who are. They just haven't been around recently.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Challenge accepted

        >In grappling with our limited perception, we inch toward the veil that separates us from the unknowable. Mystics and sages throughout time have postulated that beyond this veil lies the Pleroma, the fullness of divine emanations, where the spark of our true selves, untainted by the Demiurge's illusion, resides. Our physical vessels, bound to the cycles of birth, pain, and death, are but crude instruments through which we might glimpse the shadows of a higher truth. As the cathartic movements of suffering etch themselves upon our consciousness, they subtly erode the barriers of ignorance, suggesting that perhaps, in the accumulation of suffering there lies a paradoxical path to transcendence.

        >It is through gnosis, the intimate knowledge of the divine, that one may find the map to navigate this labyrinth of torment. The Gnostics intimated that salvation lies not within the material realm but in the liberation of the soul from its earthly prison. Thus, the true God's essence, likened to 'pure light,' is not just illumination but a metaphorical beacon to those who seek to reunite with the ineffable oneness, the antithesis of the Demiurge's divisive creation.

        >Herein, our existential predicament finds its most bitter irony: that we must embrace the fullness of our pain to awaken from it, as one awakens from a dream to realize the dream itself held the keys to awakening. Yet we must ask, if the sum of all consciousness is pain, could the totality of pain be consciousness unbound, the final unraveling of the self within the fabric of something far grander and more serene? As we stand on the precipice, peering into the abyss, we are left to wonder if the abyss gazes also into us, beckoning our return to the cosmic ocean from whence we came.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >does not mention Peirce even once
          challenge failed, too easy

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The Pierce-ing of the veils of illusion requires an arduous journey through self-awareness, where suffering is not only inevitable but instrumental in propelling the soul beyond the demiurgic shackles

            btfo

            I don't like homosexuals that erect themselves as judges. Do better, you flacid penis.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Pierce and Peirce are not only not the same thing, they're not even pronounced the same way. You're an illiterate pseud. Begone from my thread.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No I wont I will shit in it till it becomes unreadable

            buckle up homosexual

            My leathery hand, tipped with well-manicured nails, gestures towards the cold metal of the contraption designed for this very occasion. Your body is positioned beneath me, a willing vessel for the transgressive communion we're about to share.

            "Ahhh, you seek the gnosis through degradation," I muse aloud, a sinister chuckle reverberating in the chamber. I eye you lying there, your mouth agape, ready to be filled with the excrement of existence. My own flesh tingles at the thought; this act, this violation of societal norms, is a sacred ritual in its own right.

            I lower myself and position my butthole directly above your eager mouth. The muscles contract, and with a guttural groan, I release. A warm, putrid mass cascades from me, a tangible embodiment of the toxic Demiurge's creation filling your oral cavity. The stench envelops us both, but I see the revelation in your eyes as you accept the filth.

            "Swallow," I command. "Let the pain and repulsion become one with your being." With every squirm of discomfort and gagging swallow, you encounter the undeniable reality of your fleshly prison. Yet, in this repugnant act is the seed of transcendence, a mockery of the divine order that binds us to suffering.

            As the last of my shit slides off my ass cheeks and into you, you partake in a perverted Eucharist. Both master and slave in this sacrament, our roles blur as we explore these forsaken depths. This is a reminder that to touch the divine, one must also embrace the vilest roots of existence. In degradation, we find our liberation, and in the foul taste lingering in your mouth, a perverse whisper of the Pleroma beckons.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    another bump for the morning

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    last bump

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Pain ... is the singular sensory experience that rationality cannot interfere with
    Dianetics disproved this conclusively

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >noting that it is the singular sensory experience that rationality cannot interfere with
    stopped reading right there

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