Performance is only comparable for same size items

>be me, 2005
>play with PSP. it's perfect size.
>use pocket PC. it's perfect size
>graphics card, perfect 1 slot size
>imagine that in 20 years all same things will be 100x as performant
>20 years pass
>everything is massive now
>they hide lack of progress by increasing size
>there is no technological progress

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bigger screen = better

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If that was true, then they would not add massive bezels around the screen. Also, GPUs have no screen but are still getting bigger.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        My galaxy fold has a nice huge screen and a smaller footprint than a normal phone. I use a 50" 4k tv for a monitor. I use a full size ATX case with 5 pcie slots on my mobo. Bigger is better. You probably have a troony mini itx and use a 24" monitor

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It has large bezels because they used cheap lcds to keep the cost down. Had they used a better lcd or an OLED like the switch oled they could of have tiny bezels

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Samsung Galaxy S6 from 2015 had negative bezels (curved edge), if progress was true, everything would have 0 bezels in 2024.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Bezels are good. We figured out that out when those curved edges worked like fricking shit and caused constant accidental input just holding the phone. I had a note 8 and it was annoying as frick

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You are complaining about touch sensitivity on curves, yes, this is stupid. Point is that display technology was advanced to have 0 bezels, 15 years ago. And curved edges displays can be used properly.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        yeah but they have to provide graphics to bigger screens. so, thusly, the gpu also has to be bigger.
        more big = more better.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you can shove a Raspberry Pi on the PSP if you're asking that
        https://othermod.com/pspi-compute/

        they did reduce them for the OLED model.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The actual circuit board of GPUs are the same size as always. Its just the heat sink that's gotten bigger.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Actually, they've gotten smaller recently.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I want a real handheld to play when I am in the metro, not a monstruosity. That's why I still use the PSP

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Just get a retroid pocket 4 at this point. It emulates psp with 2x resolution and emulates gamecube and ps2.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I miss when handhelds could fit in your pocket. Switch and steam deck are way too big.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i love the 3ds for it's small size
        i can fit a switch lite into my pockets but it looks moronic and isn't comfortable

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Bigger screen = better
      back in like, 2002 my Dad set a 32 (or more) inch CRT monitor on a swivel wheeled chair and i accidentally knocked that heavy thing over. I dont think ive ever seen him that assmad. He got it for free since he took it from work but he ranted about how it was worth like, $400 or something

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    1000x performance = at least 10x power requirement = more heat

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the definition of progress is that it should have more performance while using same power

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It DOES have more performance while using the same power.
        They ALL do.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It does. The heat is the issue. If you scaled the steam deck to the size of a PSP it wouldn't run for 10 minutes because the heat would keep shutting it down

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You're being a bit disingenuous there. The SoC in the steam deck is massive compared to what's in the PSP. The silicon industry is in its death throes, and is trying to use bigger dies and luxury pricing as a bandage. I guess you're probably trying to say that the problem is really just that smaller transistors don't dissipate heat as well, but that's an engineering problem for the companies making the chips. The steam deck is hot because the die is massive. That's it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You're being a bit disingenuous there
            I'm not. I'm saying if it were shrunk down the heat wouldn't be the breaking point. Its not the size of the chips its the density of transistors and clockspeed. You can't scale indefinitely upwards in terms of performance and at the same time decrease size without heat

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're not understanding that the chip in the PSP was manufactured at the tail end of Dennard scaling. If scaling had kept pace after 2005, the steam deck would draw far less power and produce far less heat than it does. Hence OP's whining about progress stalling. This is a legitimate problem with silicon that might be solvable by switching to a different material. Not a magical law of physics that suddenly poofed into existence 20 years ago

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The switch is a huge piece of shit though. It has a 1ghz 4 core arm and 4gbs of 1600mhz ram. My cell phone has 8 cores all over 2ghz and 12gb of 3200mhz ram with an adreno 660. And it's like 3 or 4 years old now. With inflation the psp would be about $400 at launch today (cpi lying numbers) and $1,300 (shadowstats exagerated inflation). If you take the difference it would be something like an $800 device.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >no cooling progress

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >no argumenr

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >be me, 2005
    >didn't have a cell phone
    >near no service where I live
    >friend has psp, it's cool but not as good as my PS2
    >portable ops not as good as mgs 2/3. still impressive tbf
    >20 years later
    >have a device in my pocket that can emulate a PS2 and PSP. As well as nearly every other system from 20 years ago
    >computer software can emulate the hardware of computers from ~1998, tower is the same size. uses CPU to do this, barely utilizes the GPU at all
    >100 dollars will get you a Raspberry Pi and all the fixins, comparable to a full size tower of the era
    You're cherry picking a lot. The GPU in the steam deck is nowhere near the size of the one you posted from 2005.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      but you only prove the point
      PS2 had better graphics than PSP because it was larger

      >20 years later
      >have a device in my pocket that can emulate a PS2 and PSP
      PS Vita is 2011 years old and can play PS2 and PSP games. where did the 15 years go? you should have PS5 with same size of PSP if progress was true

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >be me, 2005
        >didn't have a cell phone
        >near no service where I live
        >friend has psp, it's cool but not as good as my PS2
        >portable ops not as good as mgs 2/3. still impressive tbf
        >20 years later
        >have a device in my pocket that can emulate a PS2 and PSP. As well as nearly every other system from 20 years ago
        >computer software can emulate the hardware of computers from ~1998, tower is the same size. uses CPU to do this, barely utilizes the GPU at all
        >100 dollars will get you a Raspberry Pi and all the fixins, comparable to a full size tower of the era
        You're cherry picking a lot. The GPU in the steam deck is nowhere near the size of the one you posted from 2005.

        Psp was actually more powerful than the ps2. It's biggest flaw was not having a right direction input

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What do you mean by the right direction?
          It had many buttons and amazing optical drive.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it only had 1 stick

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yea, it was designed for arcades, fightings and platforms mostly, I think. But it had many good titles that are 10000% better than 2024 mobile games

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            2005 pocket games are x1000 better then 2024 pocket games. (steam deck and switch are not pocket sized)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nintendo and sony both gave up on actual handhelds

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            yes, so true.
            and mobile phones gave up on games.
            mobile phones also gave up on PDAs
            smartphones are now social feed slop and subscription slop
            all good smartphone software was made at android 5 days

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            super monkey ball, angry birds, backpack joyride, cut the rope, zenbound, bejeweled, labyrith, tap tap revenge, doodle jump

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            A right stick or dpad. In his example, mgs portable ops which I beat twice, you had to look with the dpad and move with the stick both on the left. So if you couldn't move and control camera at the same time. Or you couldn't aim and walk at the same time. That made fights like Null hugely annoying and I always just cheesed it by crawling under a building and shooting his feet. Even when I emulate it on a retroid and map the second stick it is still compromised.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Well ps vita was made with those capabilities in mind. My phone is a fricking phone. So that probably accounts for some years.
        The steam deck is a handheld computer with a GPU a fraction of the size of the one you posted from 20 years ago. The steam deck is better than any computer from 2005, and also smaller.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >PS Vita is 2011 years old and can play PS2 and PSP games.
        You mean PS2 ports right?
        not emulation

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        PSVita can't play PS2 games, unless someone decides to either create a PS2 emulator from scratch or port the notoriously x86-64 bloated pcsx2.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You forgot
      >I replay the same 2 or 3 games

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I don't, but it would be irrelevant anyway.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The discrete graphic "cards" built into many higher end laptops take up less space than a single slot graphics card, yet even the slowest ones going into current laptops would easily trounce the fastest GPU of 2005. Even the integrated graphics built into most CPUs these days is much, much faster. AMD & Nvidia certainly could built pretty fast GPUs than only use a single slot (vastly faster than that 2005 card), but realized that when you have a whole desktop sized computers worth of space & heat dissipation, well might as well use it for even faster cards.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    bigger dick == better

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > PSP release date
    > 2005
    > almost 20 years ago
    literal miracle tech, this shit was released before smartphones and ran games with better graphics than most mobile games nowadays, and if you see the specs it doesn't make sense, it had 32MB of RAM and a 333MHz single core CPU

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Its more powerful than a ps2, it has the same architecture meaning it can pump the same amount of triangles and read/write 1KB PER CYCLE, people dont really understand the insane bandwidth the PS2 had

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Its more powerful than a ps2
        I doubt, GTA on the PS2 has slightly better graphics than on the PSP.

        PSP is pretty close though

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >333MHz
      bois it was so cool to do the overclock with the VSH menu on the m33 custom firmware by DarK_AleX, I want to go back

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Right in my fricking nostalgia, man.
        I fugged up my first battery mod lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >333MHz
      bois it was so cool to do the overclock with the VSH menu on the m33 custom firmware by DarK_AleX, I want to go back

      the cpu could be overclocked as well. it would drain your battery but hooked up to a brick and tv its a super ps1 or pseudo switch.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >333MHz
        bois it was so cool to do the overclock with the VSH menu on the m33 custom firmware by DarK_AleX, I want to go back

        > PSP release date
        > 2005
        > almost 20 years ago
        literal miracle tech, this shit was released before smartphones and ran games with better graphics than most mobile games nowadays, and if you see the specs it doesn't make sense, it had 32MB of RAM and a 333MHz single core CPU

        this is now a PSP kino thread
        PSP 3000 had an OLED screen

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >PSP 3000 had an OLED screen
          No it doesn't.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I really want a vita 2, but they would probably make the mistake of making it huge and not pocketable.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It would also run Android, so no point in even holding out hope

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They'll just shit it out and forget about it and make it use a proprietary $100 256GB memory card. Funny enough, it's what they did to the PS5. It's so weird seeing Microsoft and Sony fight to see who can shit themselves the most.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Funny enough, it's what they did to the PS5.
          But the PS5 takes standard nvme drives.
          The Xbox is the one that takes propriety storage.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's a miracle that anyone is still buying Playstation at this point, with almost every exclusive going on steam after a while.

        Competition is hard. The deck has an enormous library and runs arch btw. The switch has exclusives and is cheap.

        Make it smaller than these two and you're competing against flagship smartphones, not that much easier.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Handhelds are basically over except for kids.
          And I mean pre-teens.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      there's definitely a sweet spot for how many polygons you need to make a model look good (with a good artist) and PSP just barely hit that line, sacrificing hands mostly but overall PS2 quality

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The homebrew scene on this thing was INSANE. Like I don think any console ever compares. So many emulators and original games and utilities were made for this thing. You could even run Mac OS 8.5 on it. Its nuts. I just bought a PSP go to relive some of the snostalgia actually and its still a super great console

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ...and it's still going. An on-device "app store," PGKi, was recently released. The Vita and 3DS have had this for years, but it's new for PSP. https://github.com/bucanero/pkgi-psp

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Are there any repos for it yet

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. Looks like it's possible to install every PSP game from the app.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You didnt answer any of my question

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ok so its just for piracy then? Thought it was like a homebrew store

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >bro don't pirate the games that are no longer being published

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What's your point?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine caring about piracy for out of publication anything. Literally zero harm.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I Didnt say any of that I dont know why you are so upset. All I said is I thought it was for homebrew. Stop being so combative and looking for arguments

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And yet you replied, so I think you are looking for arguments

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nope just clarifying since you started in for no reason. Have a good one

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        how? OS 8 is written for PowerPC while the PSP runs MIPS and SheepShaver is an unstable mess even on bog standard x86 machines so I can't imagine that being stable on a PSP. If it works I'd love to play a few old mac games just because the sound was different from the DOS versions.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          1 its an emulator
          2. Its not sheepshaver
          3. https://www.gamebrew.org/wiki/Basilisk_II_PSP

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i kneel PSP-sama, and I have no idea what I did with mine. Feels bad that I probably just trashed it.
      I played monster hunter for the first time on it, and Killzone. Damn...

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    congrats op you win IQfy's dumbest motherfricker of the week

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    PS Vita can play all PSP titles and more.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Psvita is stupid to buy nowadays
      It's same size as Android handsets with built in controlls that play much more games, like gamecube ps2 ect

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I love my Retroid 4 Pro. It just werks.

        You do need a grip for it though, due to the shitty ergonomics. And then it won't fit into its case anymore.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        1. Vita can play PS2 games
        2. Gamecube was released in 2001, fact that you are shilling it in 2024 confirms OPs point that progress is fake

        If progress was real, you should have PS5 pocket in 2024

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >2. Gamecube was released in 2001, fact that you are shilling it in 2024 confirms OPs point that progress is fake
          nintendo realized that all their underpowered bullshit could be emulated and started doing bullshit gimicks like the ds and wiimote to prevent playing it without hardware

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. Also touchscreen and gyro on PS joysticks is in the same ball park

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    is massive now
    >>they hide lack of progress by increasing size
    is no technological progress
    square cube law
    you can't just make things more powerful and smaller
    the more power something has the higher the heat output, the hotter something gets the less work it can do. this is true of literally everything that exists in newtonian space

    also, the modern GPU is functionally the same size as the old one, just a big heatsink (the PCB and GPU die are the same size)
    and the screen is actually significantly smaller in total volume

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >also, the modern GPU is functionally the same size as the old one, just a big heatsink
      How old are we talking here? PCBs and dies really were smaller before the 8800 GTX in 2006. Coincidentally, 2006 was the year when Dennard scaling broke down. Seems like a long time ago now, but I bet in the future it'll be a key year when talking about silicon

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Athlon 64 X2 and Pentium D came in 2005, which is close enough. When they quit trying to make faster chips and just threw moar coars at them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Netburst a shit.
          Core 2 absolutely obliterated it. If anything Netburst is more representative of the current time where they're slowly ramping up the clocks and the power instead of improving the architecture.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    gay spyro furry Black person homosexual

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      was thinking the same thing when I saw that spyro plush, only a furgay would have a spyro plush

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The PSP is embarassingly awful graphic quality wise and not even close to the performance of a Steam Deck. The average $200 smart phone can do 3x the graphics of a VIta.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Steam Deck is twice the size and was not released a decade ago. I wouldn't be shocked if the battery life is worse.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Steam Deck: 1.6 teraflops
        >Vita: 30 gigaflops
        have a nice day, unironically.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's a lot of flops.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          My perfectly emulated pokemon ROM really notices the difference too. Also you're the first to mention the vita here.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Switch is more powerful than PS3 or Xbox 360 yet considerably smaller, quieter and has lower power consumption. Switch 2 will be even more so.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    psp was the perfect size. nintendo switch ruined everything (including my wrists)

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I've had the same thought with my phones... I need to reverse the trend with whatever I get next.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What's taking up all the space? It has to just be screen and battery right, everything else is so tiny.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Pretty much.
        Most of the size of phones these days is governed by the screens, and that's simply because people in general prefer larger screens because they're using the devices constantly for doom scrolling and videos.
        As much as I agree that is a bad thing, I still own a fairly compact phone, the market has dictated that compact phones, even with flagship specs, aren't in demand.
        So we get big phones with big screens that also have big batteries because the screen is the major power draw.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Screen and battery. Electronic components kept getting smaller; that fact was hidden by the increasingly larger screens

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What irks me the most abou this
          >less space on mobo
          >more space to the battery
          >said battery cant hold a charge for more than a day, two is the mount everest at the moment, few tame it but its damn expensive to do so

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So I actually got curious about this and searched around a bit. I discovered that older phones of the era just before smartphones also lasted only a couple of days with regular usage, but those phones had ~850mAh batteries (compared to ~4500mAh today) with theoretically less efficient processors, and they could last several weeks on standby. Way better cameras, bigger and better screens, the radio circuits required to support all the different mobile internet standards that have appeared the last 20 years, much faster processors could explain away some of that discrepancy, but some would argue current tech is supposed to be more energy efficient so energy consumption should have stayed same-ish, yet we need bigger batteries for drastically reduced battery life on standby. Another explanation could be that after 2005 Moore's law ran on fumes so newer processors couldn't get much more energy efficient anyway, or that the phones are now botneted to frick.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Old phones were multiple orders of magnitude less powerful. For modern phones die shirks still make efficiency gains but generally all that improved efficiency is just used up by making more powerful processors.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            How do you not realize that a giant screen, always on WiFi, Bluetooth, NFC and more complex processors running a multitasking operating system use more battery than a phone that just makes calls

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, these phones didn't even have a WiFi chip which has a massive power draw. These phones were essentially just a shitty LCD screen and cell and text functionality. If you tried to use the internet on it you would drain the battery in like 4 hours. You're only talking about multiple day battery life if you never used your phone for anything including calls.

            The phone I picked could make more things than just make calls and texts, like browse the internet, take photos, record video, play videos, music, play java me games, and had basic pre-built apps for doing phone related things. It also had Bluetooth and it still had to have a powerful antenna for cellular data. Of course if you used it throughout the day it would also drain the battery in a couple of days like the modern phones but the 2-week standby capability that modern phones can't do at all is still unexplained

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The functionality was limited. The screen was small and not pixel dense, The pictures and video were low residue, he OS wasnt multitasking and the processor was week. It didnt consume lots of battery

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            The phone I picked could make more things than just make calls and texts, like browse the internet, take photos, record video, play videos, music, play java me games, and had basic pre-built apps for doing phone related things. It also had Bluetooth and it still had to have a powerful antenna for cellular data. Of course if you used it throughout the day it would also drain the battery in a couple of days like the modern phones but the 2-week standby capability that modern phones can't do at all is still unexplained

            Low resolution*

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Made up garbage from someone who never lived it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, these phones didn't even have a WiFi chip which has a massive power draw. These phones were essentially just a shitty LCD screen and cell and text functionality. If you tried to use the internet on it you would drain the battery in like 4 hours. You're only talking about multiple day battery life if you never used your phone for anything including calls.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They are rereleasing it, with double the battery capacity.
            https://www.hmd.com/en_int/nokia-5310-2024?sku=286943989

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus, i want one so fricking one. Its perfect for my daily runs

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Old phones used 850mAh batteries.

            If progress was real, new phones would do more things, on same 850mAh batteries.

            Fact that they have to increase the size proves that there is no progress.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Well now you can
      https://www.unihertz.com/products/jelly-star

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >imagine that in 20 years all same things will be 100x as performant
    Not sure what that card is supposed to be, looks like it has an AGP slot but it only has a VGA output, not even DVI or a TV-out which was common in the mid-2000s. I guess it must be truly ancient if VGA is all it can do, it wouldn't be out of the question for a 4090 to be 1000x faster. 100x is chump change.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Steam Deck
    >PSP
    You're comparing the wrong things. It's not supposed to replace smol PSP-sized handheld devices, though it's excellent for that as well if you don't mind the increased size, it's supposed to replace a PS4-era gaming rig. It's pretty much PS4-tier power on handheld form and it's highly portable to boot.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If my device is bigger than yours, my penis is bigger than yours.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ?
    fabricating bigger silicon dies with low amount of defects is technological progress

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We found we could watch porn on them

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >comparing general purpose computing to embedded gaming devices

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No. OP is comparing computers to computers and embedded gaming devices to embedded gaming devices OF THE SAME SIZE

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Funny you posted this because the PSP has an excellent PS1 emulator, and the Steam Deck's hardware is at least as strong as a PS4.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Vita does not play PS2 games, you would realize that if you every played Vita games, they're highly compressed, very low quality versions.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Vita would easily play PS2 games.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No, the Vita plays PS1 games with a modern (for the time) renderer. Low poly, low res, lots and lots of billboards.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > plays PS2 games
      nope, PS2 was considerably more powerful

      And the Steam Deck runs some PS5 games btw, at way lower settings though

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the psp isn't as powerful as the ps2, it's certainly closer than it is to the psx, so people called it "a portable ps2", but it's not actually there
      also, technology advanced much more quickly back in the early '00s, it's unreasonable to expect the same speed today

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        top looks better

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