Post historical non-nations

>study history
>realize that "Italy" is a modern made up country
>historically it was a bunch of different countries
>modern Italy is just kingdom of Sardinia that annexed the whole Italian peninsula

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    All countries are made-up.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >study history
    >realize that "Germany" is a modern made up country
    it was a bunch of different countries
    >modern Germany is just kingdom of Prussia that annexed some central european countries

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Germany already existed as a legal entity and nation since over a millennia ago.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >study history
      >realize that "France" is a made up country
      >historically the french countryside was just a fiefdom of paris
      >france is just a parisian city-state that annexed most of gallia

      all european countries are just a single capital city subjugating everything else around it, this is why America is and will always be superior because we don't do this. I would actually move to canada if my entire life, society and culture was determined by my state's capital city (nashville) because it's full of homos

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >study history
    >realize that "France" is a made up country
    >historically the french countryside was just a fiefdom of paris
    >france is just a parisian city-state that annexed most of gallia

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >study history
    >realize that "China" is a modern made up country
    >historically it was a bunch of different countries
    >modern China is just kingdom of Manchuria that annexed the whole thing

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If a country expands its territory, does it lose some quality that makes it a country?

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is probably the most midwit take I've seen in a while; congrats OP

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    lotta smartasses ITT but it would be fair to say that Italian national identity is more contrived compared to other national identities. Distinctive regional identities persist to this day

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Distinctive regional identities persist to this day
      Most European countries are like that. Stop burgersplaining Europe.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        This is true for literally every single European nation.

        Italian languages belong to completely separates branches of Romance. Italian as a cohesive identity was created in the 1800s when the state was. The other European identities are older, or the states are older, and/or they have a dominant language or language family.

        Italy is literally India-tier in terms of its nationhood. Spain and Germany at least overwhelmingly belong to the same respective language grouping. Italy's language families are completely fractured and include Spain's and France's. That's right, languages in Italy that are closer to the aforementioned, or are the aforementioned, are supposedly DIALECTS related to languages in Italy much more distant to it "because Italian!"

        Italy might become a cohesive ethnicity two or three hundred years down the line, but it damn sure hasn't been one the past two hundred years, let alone before it.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Catalan is closer to Occitan spoken in France than to Castillan.
          Northern German "dialects" are closer to Dutch than to Bavarian.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Italian languages belong to completely separates branches of Romance.
          Just stop anon

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        is it not true that Italians are more likely to cling to a regional identity compared to people in other countries?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Regional identity is strong in Italy, but in Spain which has been united for far longer it's probably even stronger and whose very existence is threated by regional nationalists. Italy does have similar issues of separatism in places like Veneto and Sardinia, but it's nowhere near the level of Spain where such movements are more active and influential.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        True

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >france
          >regional identity
          Bruh. That ship sailed a long time ago

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            France started the meme nation state concept, and Italy caught the end of the wave

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You could say England was the first but this all happened around the same time anyways.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is true for literally every single European nation.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Distinctive regional identities persist to this day
      As opposed to monolithic counties like ...

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nice bait. The Italian peninsula was a legally defined nation state since the reign of Augustus. Furthermore it was defined as the only homeland of the Romans and governed under Imperium Domi (Rule of home) in contrast to the rest of the provinces which were governed under Imperium Militae (Military Rule). Italy was also referred to as Rectrix Mundi (Governer of the world), if the former did not make it clear enough. The Romans made it painstakingly clear that they viewed Italy and the Italians as their sole nation/ethnic group and defined it as such. Greece is probably the only older European nation in the whole of Europe.

      Distinctive regional identities persist in all nation states. The two ideas do not invalidate one another. Again, nice bait.

      [...]
      Italian languages belong to completely separates branches of Romance. Italian as a cohesive identity was created in the 1800s when the state was. The other European identities are older, or the states are older, and/or they have a dominant language or language family.

      Italy is literally India-tier in terms of its nationhood. Spain and Germany at least overwhelmingly belong to the same respective language grouping. Italy's language families are completely fractured and include Spain's and France's. That's right, languages in Italy that are closer to the aforementioned, or are the aforementioned, are supposedly DIALECTS related to languages in Italy much more distant to it "because Italian!"

      Italy might become a cohesive ethnicity two or three hundred years down the line, but it damn sure hasn't been one the past two hundred years, let alone before it.

      Italy's languages in all dialects are more latin based than German is German, or French being Celtic (lol). I'm not even going to open up the mixed can of worms that is English. Nice try again.

      is it not true that Italians are more likely to cling to a regional identity compared to people in other countries?

      Italians actually feel particularly strong about being part of the Italian ethnic group despite also cherishing their regional identities. There is no conflict between the two. One is simply part of the whole.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The whole concept of "nation state" is a modernist made up meme anyway.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nations existed before the nation state. Just because people realized it was a better way to organize society than to rely on the whims of a king doesn't make it a meme.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why you defend liberal democracy?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nation states were still mostly united and run by kings

        Ah yes, Sardinia-Piedmont, Papal States and the kingdom of the Two Sicilies, all perfectly natural and not made up countries.

        Papal states were nearly a millennium old, and 2 Sicilies was like 500 years old

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >realize that "Italy" is a modern made up country
    All nation-states are made up, that was the entire point

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You could thank Freemasonry for that (As for pretty much all "Revolutions" coincidentally of course)

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ah yes, Sardinia-Piedmont, Papal States and the kingdom of the Two Sicilies, all perfectly natural and not made up countries.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Two sicilies was the reunification of the norman kingdom
      >papal states
      10/10 bait. Literally the oldest state in europe

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