Praying to Mary isnt idolatry. Nor is praying to the Saints.

Praying to Mary isn’t idolatry. Nor is praying to the Saints.

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is if you're Christian. But if you aren't and are just part of some other religion then I guess it wouldn't be.

  2. 3 months ago
    Dirk

    It can be, right?

    • 3 months ago
      ࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇

      IF YOU PRAY TO THEM AS IF THEY WERE DEITIES, YES, IT WOULD CONSTITUTE IDOLATRY.

      • 3 months ago
        Dirk

        As an observant catholic do you have a set of conditions that constitute praying as to a deity? How do you know if a prayer crosses the line?
        The line for Protestants is prayer at all, we err on the side of caution.

        Some Catholics say prayer to saints is always intercessory but that's clearly not the case in practice

        • 3 months ago
          ࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇

          THERE ARE TWO CRITERIA: (I) FORMAL, (II) INTENTIONAL.

          THE FORMAL CRITERION CONSISTS IN EXPLICIT INTERCESSORY ROGATION IN THE PRAYER ITSELF; THE INTENTIONAL CRITERION CONSISTS IN IMPLICIT INTERCESSORY ROGATION IN THE ACT OF PRAYER.

          CULT IS NOT REDUCIBLE TO ORISON; THERE ARE OTHER RITES, LIKE OBLATION; IDOLATRY IS EVIDENT IN THE MANNER OF PERFORMING THE RITES OF THE CULT; SOMETIMES IT IS FLAGRANTLY EVIDENT; IN MOST CASES, IT REQUIRES INVESTIGATION; SOMETIMES THE IDOLATER MAY NOT EVEN KNOW THAT HE IS INCURRING IN IDOLATRY, DUE TO IGNORANCE, AND TO DEFICIENT DISCERNMENT, WHICH IS WHY IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO CATECHIZE THE VVLGVS FROM CHILDHOOD, EVEN THOSE FROM CATHOLIC FAMILIES.

          THE ANGELS, THE SAINTS, THE VIRGIN MARY, JOSEPH, ARE NOT BOON RACKETEERS, SO, DO NOT PRAY TO THEM AS IF THEY WERE.

          • 3 months ago
            Dirk

            Can you show me an example of an idolatrous prayer to Mary?

          • 3 months ago
            ࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇

            THERE IS NO FORMAL READYMADE IDOLATROUS PRAYER, BUT AN IDOLATROUS PRAYER WOULD INCLUDE ADJECTIVES THAT ARE EXCLUSIVE TO GOD, APPLIED TO ANYONE BUT HIM, AND/OR ATTRIBUTE GODLY QUALITIES TO ANYONE OTHER THAN GOD, AND/OR ASKING FOR THINGS AS IF YOU WERE ORDERING SOMETHING ONLINE, OR REQUESTING A SERVICE FROM A DEMON, ET CETERA.

            EXEMPLI GRATIA:

            «OMNIPOTENT QUEEN OF HEAVEN...», «SAINT MICHAEL, ARCHANGEL, YOUR WILL BE DONE...».

            IN RESPECT TO OBLATION, IDOLATROUS CULT WOULD ENTAIL MAKING BLOOD SACRIFICES TO AN EFFIGY, OR PICTURE; OR TREATING A EFFIGY, OR PICTURE, AS IF IT HAD ANIMISTIC MAGICAL INFLUENCE, ET CETERA.

          • 3 months ago
            ࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇

            >IN RESPECT TO OBLATION, IDOLATROUS CULT WOULD ENTAIL MAKING BLOOD SACRIFICES TO AN EFFIGY, OR PICTURE; OR TREATING [AN] EFFIGY, OR PICTURE, AS IF IT HAD ANIMISTIC MAGICAL INFLUENCE, ET CETERA.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >OR TREATING A EFFIGY, OR PICTURE, AS IF IT HAD ANIMISTIC MAGICAL INFLUENCE, ET CETERA.
            That's exactly what praying to them is

          • 3 months ago
            ࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇

            WE DO NOT PRAY TO IMAGES.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Create elaborate icons
            >Go in front of them at pray at them
            Seems to me like you do

          • 3 months ago
            ࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇

            IT SEEMS MORE LIKE COGNITIVE DEFICIENCY ON YOUR PART, BEING UNABLE TO IMAGINE & CONCEPTUALIZE, RATHER THAN IDOLATRY ON OUR PART.

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why pray to the "saints" when you can pray directly to God?

    • 3 months ago
      ࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇

      THERE IS A DIVINE HIERARCHY; THE SAINTS ARE CLOSER TO US EARTHLINGS THAN GOD IS, THEREFORE, THERE ARE MORE INTIMACY, AND IMMEDIACY; THE MESSAGE IS RELAYED TO GOD VIA THE DIVINE HIERARCHY.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        man i actively want to convert to catholicism but this is utter nonsense. i can deal with corrupt popes and all that, but "dude saints are more intimate with you than God" is more heresy than i can handle

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >lust provoking image
    >irrelevant time-wasting statement

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >lust provoking image
      >literally just a midling attractive woman that is fully dressed

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Religion that worships a man as God
    >This man's mother is literally called "the mother of God"
    >Is praying to the mother of the god-man idolatry? Shouldn't we pray to the god-man directly?

    It's all idolatry according to Judaism.

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