reads Faust

Last week we read the first part of part one. We covered the dedication in which Goethe recalls the images of his youth and departed friends, and the setting which frames the play within a play (the director is normally assumed to be playing God, the poet, Faust, and the clown, Mephistopheles). Then the prologue in heaven in which Mephistopheles makes a Job-like wager with God for the soul of Faust, but instead of taking away everything as with Job, he will give Faust everything.

We were introduced to Faust, a passionate Christian when he young, driven to despair and suicidal disillusionment in knowledge itself by his thirst for learning which only makes him more and more doubtful about the truth of anything. We saw a dialogue between him and his rationalist student Wagner who believes in progress and mankind, and this exchange functions for Goethe as the romanticist critique of the Enlightenment.

Faust in frustration turns to summoning since in his own words he is too erudite to fear hell or devils. He first summons a demon of nature which is too awesome for him to command and it quickly breaks his control. Later he runs into Mephistopheles who appears to him as a black poodle. Taking him home, he accidentally traps Mephistopheles in his home, and the devil changes form to a goliard and pleasantly chats with Faust who refuses to release him but is lulled to sleep by spirits. Mephistopheles soon returns to strike a deal with Faust in exchange for his, using a contract signed in blood. One of Faust’s students approaches to ask questions and Mephistopheles, disguised as Faust, gives flippant and puckish answers, which were Goethe’s way of poking fun at the education he received. Faust and Mephistopheles then depart and their relationship together begins.

This week we will be finishing part one

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPhN09a3G6_8nvVUbyo6nS9c96uw1ZoVc
    Interesting series of lectures on Faust I found.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I wish the poison drinking scene was longer. It seems like Faust didn't really want to kill himself

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >uses “poison” as a means of suicide
      >doesn’t really mean to go through with it, just baiting for attention for devil chads

      Is Faust a woman?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >constantly complains
        >willing to sell his soul for a quick coom
        >overly dramatic
        seems so

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Isn’t that an incel?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Could be. I don't remember any mention of cute trad gf or kids

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            he wants a barely pubescent girl, pretty big indicator

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Interesting note in the Norton edition I have: the immediate change in mood and relationship Faust has between the two Mephistopheles meetings was originally bridged by a "disputation" scene Goethe intended to write. Faust is in a university auditorium speaking of the values of intuition and the inner life, and Mephistopheles disguised as a scholar trashes him on the value of experience over intuition.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Certainly would make more sense. In the text the change of mind seems very sudden.
      Good thing it does not take away from the general themes of the story. Nevertheless it would be fun to see Mephistopheles' arguments. Could even serve as a romantic manifesto, I bet.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    idgi, how could the pentagram only leak in one direction

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The language is really awesome. Gets even better later on

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is most of the discussion happening in the discord?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'd hope not. Unless there's really only 2-3 anon's actually doing this.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What do you think?

      idgi, how could the pentagram only leak in one direction

      Brainlet

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Brainlet
        So are you if you can't explain.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >most discussion going on in off-site troonycord room
    Disappointing. I was looking forward to an actual IQfy red along. But seems like more of a circlejerk recruitment. Probably why these die out before finishing.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I, the OP, have posted much more material than I have on the discord, just in the OP. The lack of participation on discord is close to as much but there is more talk about translation and resources since we can share. Discussion about the actual text though is meant mostly to be here and will probably pick up after people we finish the rest of part one

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What was the point of the scene with all the pedestrians?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Kek brainlet

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >i have nothing interesting to say but want everyone to know me big brain
        pseud

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    what a homosexual protagonist kek

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Well, he is a Kraut

      >most discussion going on in off-site troonycord room
      Disappointing. I was looking forward to an actual IQfy red along. But seems like more of a circlejerk recruitment. Probably why these die out before finishing.

      You are still free to post here. It's not like you contributed anything so far.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    My thoughts on Part 1?

    I liked it. It was witty. It was funny. It was prosodic.
    It is perhaps a very personal work also.
    Mephisto makes a bet with God that he can make Faust fall. Then he goes to Faust to make another bet; Faust, being fed up with everything scholastic now wants to experience everything in the world; he thinks this will make him happy. The Devil tells him that's nonsene, you'll be fed up soon enough if he can do anything. So they strike a pact that if Faust ever goes lazy and bid the moment to stay, he'll die and lose his soul to the Devil.
    (Keep in mind, that in the long run. Mephisto intends to win the first bet.)
    So the story continues with Mephisto showing Faust all kinds of things he could do but he isn't so much into drinking for example. It is not until Faust sees one particular girl that his desires take over. Of course this is what Mephisto wants, to have Faust do something nasty that will make him feel guilt; make him sinner.

    Of course, in the end Faust then is taken by his desires and the result is a dead baby and dead girl, but in the way of Christian tragedies, the girl is saved by simple Grace.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Holy shit. Can you keep the cringe in your cringe Discord?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No. I shall I continue:

        Of course, in the end Faust then is taken by his desires and the result is a dead baby and dead girl, but in the way of Christian tragedies, the girl is saved by simple Grace.
        Most of all I liked the language, the different meters. The rhythm.
        Oh yes.
        Then there's the Spirit which Faust summoned. He was dwarfed by its vision.
        And it is this Spirit I think he references further on in his soliloquies.
        He first summons the spirit, realises how pitifully unimportant and ignorant he is, tries to kill himself, but is stopped by the Devil.
        It seems like this Spirit is also one the reasons he goes on to experience all there is.
        Ah yes, Forest and Cavern, lines... 3217 onwards
        He's almost about to realise he'd better stop with all the pleasure fulfilment and then Mephisto enters the scene to stop him from getting any better ideas

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Faust, being fed up with everything scholastic now wants to experience everything in the world
      Congratulation on missing the whole point of the story, moron. Frick off to your discord troony buds, you dont belong here, you do not have the required minimum iq

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >to high iq to form sentences

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Part 1 is the whole story
        >Doesn't tell us the point of the story
        look at this pseud

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hey man what English translation of Faust should i buy. I just read young werther in a german/english version and loved it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      John R Williams

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        thanks

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