reads Faust: week one

This reading group is set at a very leisurely pace to emphasize discussion and retaining. Last week was the preparation, this week is the start. This week is just to line 2070, and covers the meeting and agreement between Faust and Mephistopheles.

The literary impact of this work is a tremendous as Paradise Lost when it comes to popular conceptions of the devil. Goethe presents him as an urbane, philosophical, and charismatic gentleman. The devil character from The Brothers Karamazov as well as the Master and Margarita are two clear conceptions drawn from Goethe, the black poodle is even overtly featured in the latter work.

The discussion on this week’s reading will be posted next week.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is there a translation you want people to use? I have Bayard Taylor and I enjoy it a lot.
    Also, I'm a bit of a brainlet but is Mephistopheles supposed to be Satan? I always had the impression that he was 'just' another devil and not THE devil. He actively encourages Faust to live a patient and fulfilling life without taking shortcuts and Faust says 'frick that give me those demon powers'.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Use any you want. I'm using John R. Williams.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He isn’t explicitly Lucifer but still helped shape that conception because he calls himself the spirit which negates and because he makes a wager with God

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I already read Faust but I'll be monitoring this thread as I had no one to really discuss it with.
      I was also thinking of waiting 20 years before reading Faust 2 since it also took Goethe 20 years to write it, but if you guys do it I might read it earlier.

      I don't think he's Satan. In the opening passage he mentions "my aunt the serpent" which I think was referring to Satan in his snake form, implying a sort of genealogy.
      And there's some other Faust inspired works before Goethe's in which Satan appears first to Faust but he conjures Mephisto to serve him in exchange for his soul, so I think they were always considered two different figures.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Faust Part II >>> Faust Part 1

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you expecting us to skip part 1?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, just wanted to point it out because people often only mean "Faust Part I" when saying "Faust"

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hmm weird. The story doesn't even finish properly in part 1

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I was wondering if this was gonna cover II. For some reason there's a tendency to just ignore II.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We cover both.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I was wondering if this was gonna cover II. For some reason there's a tendency to just ignore II.

            Faust II is a completely different animal. It's by far the craziest and most challenging theater play I've ever read. Partly that's why it's often ignored, partly it's because part I by itself was more influential, partly also because if you want to play out I and II together it gets too long for one showing. Part II is insane, don't expect to rationally understand it on a first read, but it's worth grappling with.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bayard Taylor translation (do NOT use the 1840s one by Captain frickface, it's awful; idk about newer translations bc this one is pretty good): https://www.google.com/books/edition/Faust/b0DbS4iRp2wC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA11&printsec=frontcover

    audiobook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BeYjatc47U&list=PLsOptpSGdv9fkDFdn5qOn12Nv-wvhn1lC

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do not join their server. They actually like and care about what Borges has to say.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh oh.. just noticed this read along thread on Faust. Better not drop Nabokov's opinion on it here or anywhere on the board, while read along is ongoing.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then why bring it up? Also, bold to assume I think a talent writer's opinion should influence mine

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nabokov was a gigantic homosexual who opined on most everything pessimistically. Unsurprising that he didn't enjoy Faust and had choice things to say about Goethe, a far superior man. Anyone who takes his word as law is a drone.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        t. has never read either

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nabokov fanboy spotted. I'm sure you regurgitate that one image that has all his quoted opinions on novelists, since we all know none of you read.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nayrt but why are you always infighting? You seem to mascarade your lack of insight with crude authoritative statements, as if you lack the brain plasticity to think beyond the first opinion you saw.

            Anyways, has anyone actually seen the opera? Maybe you can explain why they decided to stick a satanic coca-cola logo in the vienna production. Pretty shocking when I saw it

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            NTA but your brain is smoother than his. "Mascarading" as an intellectual makes you sound like a pseud.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    should i jump in on this reading group or it will it just desintegrate itself a couple of weeks in

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Idk take a wild guess anon show me a lit project that doesn't start with circle and ends in jerk

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm interested in this but it kind of looking like a stealth discord general.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Better not read Faust then.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      dont join their discord they immediately kicked me because they thought i was a woman or a troony (i am but so what?)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then you must have said you were and/or advertised it of your pfp. If you don’t want to be kicked for being a woman or a troony, do not advertise it. Simple as

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          get on with the times chud

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He is. He's just a little bit ahead.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What is your grudge against women?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not racist just don’t like ‘em

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Holy shit you should have said this before I thought it was a troonycord server. I'll join right now

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          based. But for real just have the discord gays discuss everything here. I thought advertising discord rooms was banned anyways.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            These discords are homosexual anyway.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        God forbid someone is honest and upfront, I said it because I thought we were vcing weekly or something
        Please fall into a woodchipper

        Listen here little baby. You're gonna get a lot of hurtful and degrading comments, but that ain't what I'm about. Let me just say, you are perfect the way you are. You hear me sugar? PERFECT. Don't ever change. You deserve anything and everything you want. Stay safe for me, baby girl.
        >mfw thinking of you hurting

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God forbid someone is honest and upfront, I said it because I thought we were vcing weekly or something
    Please fall into a woodchipper

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I happened to be reading this anyways and I'm midway through the first reading, guess i'll swing by next week

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i don't like faust.
    it's pretentious

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it insists upon itself

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd rather be jilling off than join your little reading group.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I will read Faust.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No one reads here.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        True!

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I read

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That invite link is invalid

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://discord.gg/GHm4TnyKjm

      Here

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    faust blows ass marlowes shiz is superior

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's clearly not. Goethe's is a masterpiece.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I only Faust for lent

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How would an ESL get to reading this?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a German book

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Its over for GSLs

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Peter Salm's translation is ESL friendly

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        John Williams

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Okay thanks I'll look into that

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    crazy coincidence to see this thread. I just started reading Faust yesterday. I am about where you guys are. I was thinking about not finishing, because I don't understand it very well and it's kind of boring so far.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >when it comes to popular conceptions of the devil
    the archetype yes and thus it's quality as text is vastly overstated and misunderstood in popular canon. Goethe is a genius work the work itself of Faust pt 1 is not some grand masterpiece pinnacle of literature when you really engage with it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it's quality

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's youtube lectures by John David Ebert I was thinking of following.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I always wanted to read it but I don't know which translation

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      John R Williams
      Trust me. It's in the Wordsworth classics edition that has both parts.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        thanks theres one shop near me selling that one
        i really like faust and wagner, wagner especially, very kino composer

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's right. If any person tells you they don't like Wagner, be free to outright disregard their opinions.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So actual discussion starts Sunday?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      doesn't seem like it

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Reading
    I'm listening to the audiobook but shit is just too hard to follow
    Can I get a link for the version made for 5 years old?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I found pic related extremely easy to read to the point where I have to doubt the accuracy of the translation. Maybe there's an audiobook version for it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks

        Until line 2070 by tomorrow.
        Honestly, the first part flies by fast so you won't be late if you start today.

        [...]
        >audiobook of a book that's a verse play with heavy symbolism
        Kek

        Frick this bum Goethe

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The translation that's the closest to German among those in pic related is Salms which reads like shit.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have you just started the reading?
    I wanna join. How much pages are you planning to read this week?
    (I lost discord password and I'll recover it later to join)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Until line 2070 by tomorrow.
      Honestly, the first part flies by fast so you won't be late if you start today.

      https://i.imgur.com/UHRGfuR.png

      >Reading
      I'm listening to the audiobook but shit is just too hard to follow
      Can I get a link for the version made for 5 years old?

      >audiobook of a book that's a verse play with heavy symbolism
      Kek

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Until line 2070 by tomorrow.
        I just realized it is supposed to be a weekly discussion, but that still is already a third or so of Part 1 (if you include the prologues), which seems a lot, especially if its not even clear how many people want to participate.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >which seems a lot
          Part 1 is short.
          Do you even like reading? Holy shit it's verse form so the lines are quite short. Please don't participate. You wouldn't be able to read Part 2.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A third of Faust 1 is one easy reading session over a weekend.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jung gang we frick with Goethe

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    idgi, how could the pentagram only leak in one direction

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I heard you guys liked fiddles, I'm selling at a discount price.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is the internet is shilling Kaufmann's translation, while no one here mentioned it? Too israelitewy?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just get John R. Williams.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'd try it but my favorite Russian buccaneering telegraph network doesn't have it. I went with Luke but I can see why people say it's too anachronistic.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is this a good translation?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no, it's too hung up on muh accuracy

  30. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Last week we read the first part of part one.
      >This week we will be finishing part one
      So this is exclusively for discord trannies? Then frick off from IQfy with that shit

      >which seems a lot
      Part 1 is short.
      Do you even like reading? Holy shit it's verse form so the lines are quite short. Please don't participate. You wouldn't be able to read Part 2.

      A third of Faust 1 is one easy reading session over a weekend.

      Looking how active this thread had been over the weekend, it really is a great idea to read a huge part of the whole book in one go and then keep wondering why noone is participating.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >a huge part

        Many for zoom zooms or people with ADHD. When performed the entire part one is seen in one sitting

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