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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Catholic Church is the prostitute of Babylon foreseen in the Book of Revelation.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Proof?

      Babylon in the New Testament refers to Rome (the city and empire), and to empire and worldly dominion in general. I don’t see what this has to do with the church.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Catholic Church sits on the seven hills of Rome and prostitutes herself with the kings of the world.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How do you know it means the church and not pagan Rome/empire? Peter in his epistle calls the Roman church blessed/chosen (1 Peter 5:13)…

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Catholic Church didn't exist when 1 Peter was written.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Scripture is scripture pal. God says the Roman church is blessed.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Did that Roman church have popes?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Rock is Christ. Not some physical and earthly church.

            >Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?

            >On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

            >And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

            >So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.

            >Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are those scriptures supposed to be relevant to your point?
            > some physical and earthly church
            Is the church not physical and on earth…?

            https://i.imgur.com/qLB3aOA.jpg

            Did that Roman church have popes?

            See

            Did Jesus explicitly command us to do everything the Pharisees do because they sit in Moses/Jesus’ “seat”?

            and

            > Did Jesus explicitly command us to do everything the Pharisees do because they sit in Moses/Jesus’ “seat”?
            *everything the Pharisees say

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            My point is, everything is spirit. You could make an idol out of God and conduct elaborate rituals to appease it, but you'd just be worshipping an idol. Jesus referred to his teachings simply as the Truth, and unfortunately whether ignorantly or with malicious intent it has been tainted by those who would call themselves holy.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nice freestyle Christianity.
            > You could make an idol out of God
            You literally can’t.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Churches of the world have done so. They call him Jesus Christ and teach that he will come to save the day. When everyone should do their best to do so every moment by imagining wonderful things for everyone and themselves and believe it in.

            >teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.” Amen.

            How could Christ return when he's with us always?

            https://i.imgur.com/ulbtn4T.png

            Peter is also a rock though? Not only that, he is fastened by Christ and specifically given powers to rule and govern over his flock. You're so delusional, please stop spreading your false ideas.

            And you've made an idol out of Peter now.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >And you've made an idol out of Peter now.
            No, I am just following what Jesus said and did in regards to Peter. You have made up some false narrative in your mind.
            Also Christ said he would return, lunatic. Read the Bible maybe?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            With that picture, surely you've learned that Golgotha is Aramaic for skull. Christ is entombed within everyone and rises within everyone, individually. The cross we bear are these garments of flesh, crucifixion began at the beginning, resurrection occurs individually. Christ Jesus is within the skull of man, which is described as the power and wisdom of God

            >I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

            See here. Christ is here, how could he return when he's with us always? He's buried within you and rises within you

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            "Pontifex Maximus" ain't in scripture, buddy. That's a pagan high priest.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Where does it say in scripture that every element of true religion is in scripture?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Isaiah 8:20

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Uh, same scripture could be used to argue against Jesus. Sola scriptura people never cite this.

            Christ conquers death, not human skulls. How are you so dense you don't realize that skulls are synonymous with death.
            [...]
            Don't bother, this thread is fully of crazy people who talk in riddles and muddle waters. They don't want to have a plain or normal understanding of anything. They want to cling to their psychotic theories of history where they are the victim and are always right.
            Scripture says to follow traditions learned by letter and by mouth. Obviously the Bible is not the sole authority of true religion. That would be moronic anyway because there are like 10,000 offshoots of Christianity, God had the foresight to set up a Church and offices through which he administers to his flock through his Priests.

            It’s really crazy how weak all the anti-Catholic talking points really are!

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Uh, same scripture could be used to argue against Jesus
            Did Jesus speak against scripture?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Many israelites thought so.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And they were wrong, weren't they?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Peter is also a rock though? Not only that, he is fastened by Christ and specifically given powers to rule and govern over his flock. You're so delusional, please stop spreading your false ideas.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            With that picture, surely you've learned that Golgotha is Aramaic for skull. Christ is entombed within everyone and rises within everyone, individually. The cross we bear are these garments of flesh, crucifixion began at the beginning, resurrection occurs individually. Christ Jesus is within the skull of man, which is described as the power and wisdom of God

            >I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Christ conquers death, not human skulls. How are you so dense you don't realize that skulls are synonymous with death.

            Where does it say in scripture that every element of true religion is in scripture?

            Don't bother, this thread is fully of crazy people who talk in riddles and muddle waters. They don't want to have a plain or normal understanding of anything. They want to cling to their psychotic theories of history where they are the victim and are always right.
            Scripture says to follow traditions learned by letter and by mouth. Obviously the Bible is not the sole authority of true religion. That would be moronic anyway because there are like 10,000 offshoots of Christianity, God had the foresight to set up a Church and offices through which he administers to his flock through his Priests.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Deuteronomy 4:2
            >Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

            On the topic of Sola Scriptura though, people usually tend to focus more on 2 Timothy 3:16-17 but there are many other verses warning against ignoring the scriptures to follow human traditions.

            Mark 7:7-9
            >Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

            Acts 17:10-11
            >And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the israelites. These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

            1 Corinthians 4:6-7
            >And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Papacy aka modern Pharisaism doesn't want you to search the scriptures. It wants you to hear their kosher exegesis from the mouths of their ordained rabbis, because if you read the Bible as it is without distortions you'll see through all their bullshit.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Notice how all of these do not say that a certain collection of books is not the sole authority of anything.
            Here's a question? At what point would does sola scriptura apply? Was it always a law? Which books of the Bible are inerrant and which are stubble? Did you know that Martin Luther wanted to throw the book of James into the fire because it contradicted his doctrine of sola fide?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            All of the traditions reiterated, expounded upon, and established by Paul and the other apostles, were entirely derivative of the Bible itself. We are told that all of the impressions, thoughts, opinions, and visions of men are to be tested against one standard: the Bible – “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.” (Isaiah 8:20). We are told that “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works,” (2 Timothy 3:16-17) – every point of doctrine and practice is to be held subject to the Bible alone, if not, then we would instead be placing our faith upon the empty musing and grandiose philosophical constructs of mere men. In addition to this, Paul himself actually goes on to esteem the sola scriptura convictions of the Bereans in that they believed no man regarding spiritual matters related to doctrine unless they first consulted the scriptures for themselves, “These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” (Acts 17:11) – rather than the presuppositions of the priestly class, the scriptures are affirmed as the foundation and basis of Christian theology that are sufficient for attaining knowledge of Christ.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you're wasting your time, papists don't see the bible as the word of god

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Paul is not praising sola scriptura, he is happy to see that those people double checked to see he was right. As if the act of doing so would strengthen their own faith.
            Jesus gave Peter the keys and told him to feed his sheep. In light of the history of the early Church, I don't see how you can claim anything else. Perhaps you just don't care about the truth and would rather damn yourself through your own mouth?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Paul confirms doctrine must be in accordance with scripture. Peter was never a religious monarch like your popes and those keys are given to all the disciples in Matthew 18:18. First take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, the keys are not given to all the Apostles, they are given to Peter ALONE. Can you read? The rest of the Apostles are given the power to bind and loose but Peter alone is given the keys. Jesus was very deliberate with his words. I mean, his name was changed from Simon to Peter at Caesarea Philippi. How much more damning can it be for your frankly stupid position?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why pretend you're a Christian when you can't even read a single verse in the Bible?

            you,
            ὑμῖν (hymin)
            Personal / Possessive Pronoun - Dative 2nd Person Plural

            you bind
            δήσητε (dēsēte)
            Verb - Aorist Subjunctive Active - 2nd Person Plural

            https://biblehub.com/matthew/18-18.htm#lexicon

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The rest of the Apostles are given the power to bind and loose but Peter alone is given the keys.
            The keys ARE the power to bind and loose lmao

            The keys are the things by which you do the binding and loosing.
            You really need to rethink your position and come to the truth.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus:
            "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
            Matthew 16:19

            This moronic papist:
            *headcanon*

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Here are they keys
            >This is what they do
            >The other Apostles can also do this but I don't give them the keys
            You:
            >The other Apostles have the keys too

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >This is what they do
            >The other Apostles can also do this

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're already backpedaling btw, try reading the Bible for once in your life before running your dumb mouth.

            They are explicitly not given the keys

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So you're saying because it isn't explicitly said it's not there?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What would you rather I say? They can bind and loose through the power that was given to Peter. Is there any Apostle in scripture that is like Peter? No.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >What would you rather I say?
            I'd rather you be quiet and stop twisting scripture to justify human traditions.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You are a liar. They are given the keys in John 20:23.

            https://i.imgur.com/ulbtn4T.png

            Peter is also a rock though? Not only that, he is fastened by Christ and specifically given powers to rule and govern over his flock. You're so delusional, please stop spreading your false ideas.

            Peter is not the rock.
            Jesus calls Peter (petras) man of rock because he has confessed the true rock of his salvation. He is named after the rock not the other way around.
            Saint Augustine says in a sermon
            > for before he was called Simon. Now this name of Peter was given to him by the Lord and in a figure that he should signify the church. For seeing that Christ is the rock Petra. Peter is the Christian people. For the rock Petra is the original name. Therefore Peter is so called from the rock not the rock from Peter as Christ is not called Christ from the Christian but the Christian from Christ. Therefore, he sayeth thou art Peter and upon this rock which thou hast confessed. Upon this rock which thou hast acknowledged. Saying thou art the Christ the son of the living God will I build my church.
            That is upon myself the son of the the living God will I build my church. I will build thee upon myself. Not myself upon thee.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Separating Peters faith from Peter
            Also no, that verse actually proves the fact that confession is biblical not that the other Apostles have the keys.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No. It can’t be more clear that all the apostles are given the keys. They were given the power to bind and loose sins. Which is the definition of the keys.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >They were given the power to bind and loose sins.
            No, that's not what that means.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cope. Yes it is.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I see you're just some moron who gets his ideas from bright colorful images on the internet. You're not worth giving attention to. Bye.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Or you can’t find a definition of the keys that isn’t the binding and loosing of sins which I’ve proven all the apostles had since there isn’t one. I accept your concession.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The keys of the kingdom is a reference to the Old Testament in which the king would give the keys of his kingdom to his prime minister. It has nothing to do with binding and loosing.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Reading Matthew 16, 18, and John 20 they are about binding and loosing of sins. You are correct that In both the Old and New Testaments, keys symbolize power and authority. The nature of that power and authority varies depending on the context. Isaiah 22:22 refers to “the key of the house of David,” which in the context refers to the authority of the steward who manages the household of the king. That same imagery is applied to the risen Christ (Rev 3:7), who also has “the keys of Death and Hades” (Rev 1:18). In Luke 11:52, Jesus claims that the experts in the israeli Law “have taken away the key of knowledge.” In other words, through their hypocrisy they have not only failed to enter the kingdom of God themselves, but have prevented others from entering as well.

            This reference to the key of knowledge sheds light on the expression “keys of the kingdom” here. Through Peter’s faithful proclamation of the gospel, Peter will open the door of the kingdom to those who respond in faith, while at the same time keeping it shut from those who do not. Because the gospel determines what is bound and what is loosed, Peter’s actions of binding and loosing here on earth express heaven’s verdict itself.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Peter is the PM of the House of David duh

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How do we know the PM isn’t Jesus?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're already backpedaling btw, try reading the Bible for once in your life before running your dumb mouth.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The rest of the Apostles are given the power to bind and loose but Peter alone is given the keys.
            The keys ARE the power to bind and loose lmao

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Bible proves Petrine authority and doesn’t teach sola scriptura.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Deuteronomy 4:2
            >>Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
            Yeah, guess there is no New Testament then.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Ye

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >thinks papist interpretation is the plain or normal reading.
            Kek what a moron. Funniest thing I’ve seen on this shit board in a while.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I see no argument. What’s the verse that proves it?

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Modern-day Pharisees

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Did Jesus explicitly command us to do everything the Pharisees do because they sit in Moses/Jesus’ “seat”?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > Did Jesus explicitly command us to do everything the Pharisees do because they sit in Moses/Jesus’ “seat”?
        *everything the Pharisees say

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > Did Jesus explicitly command us to do everything the Pharisees do because they sit in Moses/Jesus’ “seat”?
        *everything the Pharisees say

        yes

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1“Be careful not to perform your righteous actsa before men to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

    2So when you give to the needy, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their full reward. 3But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Catholics are Christian but Christian are not Catholics.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Catholicism is like many other major religions that started as an isolated sect but eventually transformed itself into a "you will be married and you will be happy" propaganda system that involves tons of supportive characters aka saints to keep the laymen entertained and motivated.
    Kinda like walis in Islam and bodhisattvas in buddhism.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly, the Catholic Church would probably crucify or burn Christ if it meant they'd keep their earthly riches and power

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Catholics are hilariously superstitious

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is the Church that Jesus Christ established. Please do research the topic because it is absolutely beautiful to be a faithful Catholic. Do not let mere rumor and fearmongering lead you away from the truth.
    Do understand that the Church(1) is basically the Mass, the Sacraments, and the lovely faithful, these are the means through which God works His power to heal and nourish us. While the Church(2), maybe the leadership, maybe its bureaucracy, that often becomes a sticking point to others because these can often act very corruptly and evil, do not constitute the Church(1) when they fail to be faithful. But note, the Church(2) even under evil leadership can't have any effect on the Church(1), because the Church(1) derives its power solely from God, not the Church(2).

    God bless everyone who reads this!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Please do research the topic
      Isn't shit like that why the reformation happened lol

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's fair to believe that because it's so common to hear, but actually the Protestant Revolution was really about princes and kings trying to get out from under the influence of the Church, and for good reason, because the leadership was insanely corrupt at the time. The events and the results were due to moral failure on both sides.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    a manmade religion completely built on image, feelings and superstitious intuition rather than wisdom

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