religion is a joke

>universe is 14 billion years old and humans about 300k years old so humans make up not even 0.001 % of the timeline
>universe 93 billion light years big while the space humans inhabit is like a grain of sand compared to millions of suns combined
and yet somehow for some reason we are the center of the universe and the world was created only for us so that we rule over it? rule over the 14 billion years that have already passed before we were born rule over the infinite space we will never reach

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >universe is 14 billion years old
    Prove it. Carbon-dating is only semi-accurate up to 20,000 years allegedly
    >universe is 93 billion light years big
    Prove it

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Carbon-dating is only semi-accurate up to 20,000 years allegedly
      Wrong. Jesus Christ this board is braindead.
      Go ahead. Link your post from creation dictionary dot org

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So you don't have any proof?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What’s your evidence for that assertion? And thus evidentialism comes crashing down and the voices of millions of empiricists crying out can be felt in the collective subconscious

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not really. For one evidentalism doesn't claim to be divine indisputable truth, just a basic necessary condition to be able to talk meaningfully about various subjects

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >doesn't claim to be divine indisputable truth
            OK, then I dispute it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Your argument is LITERALLY TO CLAIM that you don't believe evidence. You're outright admitting that you don't believe evidence given to you if it contradicts what you previously believed, and you have deluded yourself into thinking this is a virtue.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You should calm down, Shirley.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's not a strawman. You are outright claiming that "empiricism" isn't valuable. Dress it up however you want, this claim is equivalent to saying "actual evidence isn't important if I don't like it".
            Again, why are you claiming that carbon dating only works for 200,000 years? Where did you get this idea from and why do you believe it?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            My argument is only showing how moronic and self refuting yours is without putting anything forward. But nice job making up an argument in your head to argue against while thinking that I’m someone else

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Frick off. Carbon dating is a lie... we can't date anything recent with it because we'd know how old it is so it would show it was wrong so they make up a lie aboht radiation... read the Bible or you will be skinned alive and sodomized in Hell for eternity.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Geologist here. We don’t use carbon dating to date the age of the earth or even rocks generally. Please read a book

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Hope you enjoy studying the lava in Hell, you'll have eternity to do it in. Read your Bible and learn every word

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Carbon dating is not used to date the universe.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God is the center of everything. Humans are particles. Deflate yourself.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Chud Anon

      God isn’t worth one hair on my gooch

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If there is no God then what are we

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    neither of these are true

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We’re the only life forms that we know of that can fathom the universe to any extent

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >we are the center of the universe and the world was created only for us so that we rule over it?
    not all religions believe in that, look beyond abrahamism

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >not all religions believe in that, look beyond abrahamism
      We are part of a hive, says the bug

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You either find yourself being driven by moral frameworks that stem from religion, or your own unhealthy desires you convince yourself are a core part of you.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Or you grow up and get a job, save money and find a gf
      One of the craziest things about this board is that no one seems to have any idea how to be an adult. You should be learning from your older family members, your culture at large and even your friends as to what to do and not to do in life. How can you possibly be so lost?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >argumentum ad popularum
        Your culture worships trannies and puts people to sleep like dogs.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Chud Anon

          My ideal culture would do the second thing you said to the first thing you said

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not every religion is anthropocentric.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Actually scientists revised the age of the universe to 35 billion years old because they detected galaxies further away than a 14 byo universe would permit according to Einsteinian physics.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Source for this? I only found some crackpot that estimates the age to 26 billion year but with the assumption that universal constants are variable

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >he fell for the size matters meme

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Atheism is the joke. Religion offers morals, values, community, hope, inspiration. What does atheism offer? Absolutely nothing.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >we didnt have rules and morals before myths were started to be taken a bit too seriously
      Riveting. You can substitute religion with military discipline and lifestyle and be better off by a long shot.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >If I didn't live in fear of being punished forever by the invisible sky wizard I'd be a murdering rapist, checkmate atheists

        Tbf it's hard to communicate a reasoned humanist moral framework to low iqs that can barely comprehend hypotheticals. Religion and universalist moral systems are kind of necessary for corralling those who would essentially be zero empathy, Descartean animalistic automatons without a designed society with clearly define rules and consequences for them to operate within. Even then we've got problems.
        We should give puberty blockers to all kids below the average IQ by age 10. We'd solve most crime and poverty within a generation or two since they'd be physically hindered and unable to reproduce

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If I didn't live in fear of being punished forever by the invisible sky wizard I'd be a murdering rapist, checkmate atheists

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why are atheists so obsessed with the sky?

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >God not real because universe big

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >universe big
      >therefore israelite raised by a cuck was sent by god itself

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >self hating crypto israelite attempts moron-tier pilpul to deny Christ is Lord
        Your sub-100 IQ mindgames don't work on me, hebrew.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if God real why universe big?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The existence of a prime mover doesnt validate any earthly religion.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you had that cope queued up and ready to go for any reply, eh?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >you had your strawman queued up for any reply eh
          Am I wrong?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yes.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How am I wrong? Saying that God exists is a self contained statement that doesnt offer any other data/reasoning. All you stated is that equivalently a set with certain properties is non empty, but you have not shown/constructed any of its members or even show (reliable) ways to do so.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >How am I wrong?
            The size of the universe has nothing to do with God. Modern astronomy was developed and established by religious people.
            >Saying that God exists is a self contained statement that doesnt offer any other data/reasoning
            Ok? What do you mean by this, and why do you think it's significant?
            >but you have not shown/constructed any of its members or even show (reliable) ways to do so.
            The "set" is singleton, and our knowledge of God is not derived from our own automomous wisdom. Christianity is a revelatory religion. It is not based on wise gurus scaling the highest mountains to create their own enlightenment, but God condescends from heaven to bestow us with the truth.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I am not the one that brought up the size of the universe. I agree it has nothing to do with actual arguments on the matter. It's more of a gatcha on morons that buy on fundamentalist views of creationist myths that seethe and argue that the filament is real or something like that.

            >Christianity is revelatory
            So self referential and unfalsifiable
            >X is true because X says it's true

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >So self referential and unfalsifiable
            Is everything that's true falsifiable?
            >>X is true because X says it's true
            Strawman.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, something being true doesnt mean it has to be falsifiable or vice versa. These two qualitative statements about any logical statement are independent.
            But any argument being unfalsifiable means it doesnt merit real discussion
            >analogy
            >some random guy tells you that if you try your luck on lotto today, right now, you will win the big time
            Do you bother gambling or do you tell him to frick off?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >But any argument being unfalsifiable means it doesnt merit real discussion
            Why not? And, is this principle itself falsifiable?
            >Do you bother gambling or do you tell him to frick off?
            I think it is both falsifiable, and irrelevant to everything preceding it in our discussion

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If a statement is unfalsifiable, how is it useful?
            >inb4 only people who believe in God are allowed axioms or reject infinite recursion

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If a statement is unfalsifiable, how is it useful?
            What does "useful" mean? The truth of a proposition seems far more relevant than its falsifiability (which refers to its capacity to be proven false by empirical observation).
            >>inb4 only people who believe in God are allowed axioms or reject infinite recursion
            You have blind faith, I don't. If your justification for this principle is "it's an axiom" then I reject it as arbitrary. You also haven't explained the contradiction. The falsification principle (much like the verification principle before it) is not itself falsifiable and therefore, following the falsification principle, we must reject it. I accept that falsification (just as verification) has some value in natural science, but as natural science is not epistemology and epistemology is not natural science, its use there avoids this contradiction.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well for most of us common mortals that dont get divine revelations every other day, natural science is all there is I am afraid.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >most of us common mortals that dont get divine revelations every other day
            READ homie READ
            >natural science is all there
            This proposition does not itself belong to natural science, so it is also contradictory

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >story us about God
            >told by mortals
            Pass. Also, I thought we already said that something not being self referential isnt a bad thing. Or are we actually approving of infinite recursion now?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >>told by mortals
            Men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
            >Pass
            I wouldn't recommend it
            >Also, I thought we already said that something not being self referential isnt a bad thing. Or are we actually approving of infinite recursion now?
            I don't know what you're talking about, your principles are self-contradictory self-reference and infinite regress don't have much to do with it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's not about "absolute principles", there just isn't much merit to be had when discussing things with no practical evidence or no way of showing evidence at all to begin with. Anyway, I am done.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It's not about "absolute principles"
            That's exactly what it's about.
            >there just isn't much merit to be had when discussing things with no practical evidence or no way of showing evidence at all to begin with
            There is superabundant evidence of the Christian faith, from the 500 eyewitnesses of the resurrection to the billions of stars in the sky. This is moving the goalposts. There's a big difference between accusing something of having no evidence and accusing it of being unfalsifiable.
            >Anyway, I am done.
            God bless. I'll pray for you.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Is the Holocaust real? There are even more witnesses after all

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >paul wrote that there were 500 witnesses
            >this makes it true
            Black person tier argument

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I wouldn't recommend it
            Why? You pass on the Qur'an.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The quran isn't true.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why? And the bible is?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes.

            Religious people are moronic pseudo intellectuals who are incapable of arguing in good faith and refuse to accept actual evidence that disproves their beliefs.
            There's a moron in this thread who's outright saying that carbon dating isn't real just because it contradicts his religious fairy tale. Rather than being an adult and realizing "wait when we actually look at the earth it's far older than what my religious book says. I guess that means my religious book is wrong or I'm interpreting it incorrectly. This makes sense too because it was written by people in the bronze age who didn't understand how the universe worked as well as we do now". No, instead he pretends that carbon dating is fake and that literally every geologist, biologist, chemist, physicist, mathematician, etc. everywhere on the planet are all in on a grand conspiracy to deny the truth of his religion. This moron literally believes that there is evidence for the christian faith but that there ISNT evidence of the age of the earth via carbon dating. This is the level of delusional paranoia and reality denial of religious "people".

            Is it possible for you to be really angry, and yet be wrong?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Yes.
            Prove it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Knowing it is more important than proving it.

            >Is it possible for you to be really angry, and yet be wrong?
            Your religion isn't true, you are the one who is wrong.
            Is it possible that you're literally denying reality because you refuse to accept that your religion, like literally every other religion on the planet, isn't true?
            Rambling about "much Jesus much god" doesn't make your religion true.

            Buddy you literally need to pretend that carbon dating isn't real in order for you to hold your religious beliefs. It's pathetic as frick, you're not a real man.

            >Your religion isn't true, you are the one who is wrong.
            You're wrong and your religion is the false one actually.
            >Is it possible that you're literally denying reality
            No.
            >like literally every other religion on the planet
            Including yours?
            >Buddy you literally need to pretend that carbon dating isn't real
            No you don't but one of the problems is you are conflating physical properties and age. Like any dating method, carbon dating works by looking at the properties of the object and making a guess about its age based on them. But you aren't looking at its age, you're looking at its physical properties. Age is not a physical substance that can be measured.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Knowing it is more important than proving it.
            Way to say "my religion promotes ignorance and stupidity."

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's what you hallucinated me saying.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh you have a good reason to believe now?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Always have

            I don't have a religion.
            >physical property with age bla
            Do you understand what carbon dating is and how it works?

            >I don't have a religion.
            Every man has a religion. The divine impulse is indestructible. Your secular utopia has as many strange gods as your ancient predecessors. Your women worship clothes, and your men worship women. Every man has an object of devotion to which he dedicates himself, and you have made blasphemy laws to prosecute speaking against them ("hate speech"). You even have worship hymns to them https://youtu.be/RECuQaaGGfA?si=T8Z8U7nQSo42s8Kc . So everyone has a religion, I just think it should be the true religion centering around the one true God.
            >Do you understand what carbon dating is and how it works?
            Yes.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Always have
            As evidenced by you not providing any.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I've done nothing but give good reasons for belief.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Such as?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You know that Christ is king you are only denying him because you hate him

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You know you're wrong.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You can read

            >Every man has a religion
            Wrong
            Why do you project falsehoods?
            >Yes
            No, you don't, because if you did you wouldn't say "it's only accurate for 200,000 years".
            What is wrong with your brain?

            Is it possible for you to be really emotional about something, yet wrong?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Is it possible for you to be really emotional about something, yet wrong?
            No. Because unlike you I actually do understand carbon dating and understand that it is not restricted to only 200,000 years.
            Is it possible that you don't actually know what you're talking about and you're projecting your ignorance and that's why you can't answer any direct question asked of you this entire thread?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >No
            The prosecution rests

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No it doesn't lmao, you lost.
            You haven't explained why you think that carbon dating is only accurate to 200,000 years. This is because you don't actually know what it is you're talking about.
            If your position is based on literally lying and denying reality, why are you so Gung ho about defending it? How do you genuinely not see that you're wrong here and you're just making shit up?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You can read
            Indeed. And the readings I've done about science and epistemology have given me more reasons to doubt Christianity than to base my entire life on it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're wrong

            It's not a strawman. You are outright claiming that "empiricism" isn't valuable. Dress it up however you want, this claim is equivalent to saying "actual evidence isn't important if I don't like it".
            Again, why are you claiming that carbon dating only works for 200,000 years? Where did you get this idea from and why do you believe it?

            >You are outright claiming that "empiricism" isn't valuable
            That's true. It's bullshit. Empiricism is a lie straight from the dragon's mouth. Empiricism is not the same thing as evidence though.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There is no difference between empiricism and evidence based reasoning.
            And even in your post, the evidence for carbon dating indicates that the world is far older than 200,000 years, and you STILL haven't explained why you made that absurd claim that carbon dating is only accurate to 200,000 years.
            Why did you make that claim

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >There is no difference between empiricism and evidence based reasoning.
            Where "evidence based" is defined as the decree of an authority figure
            >Why did you make that claim
            I didn't. Take your meds, please.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Where "evidence based" is defined as the decree of an authority figure
            Nope. Where "evidence based" means there is empirical evidence in favor or against the claim.
            >I didn't. Take your meds, please
            Yes you did

            >universe is 14 billion years old
            Prove it. Carbon-dating is only semi-accurate up to 20,000 years allegedly
            >universe is 93 billion light years big
            Prove it

            If you're now going to claim you're not the same poster as that one, you have to explain why you've been defending that post this whole conversation which leads to the same question.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Please take your meds. The ones your psychiatrist prescribed for whatever mood disorder you have

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're backed into the corner now and have literally nothing left.
            You're not very good at this

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bro, I'm literally laughing at your posts. You're emotional and irrational like a woman.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Is this supposed to mean anything? You're laughing rather than posting evidence or arguments because you're an idiot who can't do it.
            You're God still isn't real and you won't go to heaven when you die. Laugh all you want lmfao

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe if you weren't on the mens it would mean something to you.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm haven't even posted emotionally this whole thread. Me asking you to explain your claims isn't "being emotional"
            You being unable to do it and denying evidence and telling people to take meds instead of just explaining your position and proving your claims is very emotional however. And projecting this is even more so.
            Why do you love projecting so much?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            behind every le_trollface.gif is a vein-popping rage sperg with tears in his eyes, trying in his own autistic way to "play it cool"

            nta, even.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ok

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You're wrong
            Cope.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Every man has a religion
            Wrong
            Why do you project falsehoods?
            >Yes
            No, you don't, because if you did you wouldn't say "it's only accurate for 200,000 years".
            What is wrong with your brain?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't have a religion.
            >physical property with age bla
            Do you understand what carbon dating is and how it works?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Is it possible for you to be really angry, and yet be wrong?
            Your religion isn't true, you are the one who is wrong.
            Is it possible that you're literally denying reality because you refuse to accept that your religion, like literally every other religion on the planet, isn't true?
            Rambling about "much Jesus much god" doesn't make your religion true.

            Buddy you literally need to pretend that carbon dating isn't real in order for you to hold your religious beliefs. It's pathetic as frick, you're not a real man.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    triggered schizo. take meds.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah but NDEs are seriously irrefutable proof that heaven really is awaiting us all because (1) people see things during their NDEs when they are out of their bodies that they should not be able to under the assumption that the brain creates consciousness, and (2) anyone can have an NDE and everyone is convinced by it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U00ibBGZp7o

    So every atheist or materialist or agnostic would be too if they had an NDE, so pic related is literally irrefutable proof of life after death. As one NDEr pointed out:

    >"I'm still trying to fit it in with this dream that I'm walking around in, in this world. The reality of the experience is undeniable. This world that we live in, this game that we play called life is almost a phantom in comparison to the reality of that."

    If NDEs were hallucinations then extreme atheists and neuroscientists who had NDEs would agree that they were halluinations after having them. But the opposite happens as NDEs convince every skeptic when they have a really deep NDE themselves.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Religious people are moronic pseudo intellectuals who are incapable of arguing in good faith and refuse to accept actual evidence that disproves their beliefs.
    There's a moron in this thread who's outright saying that carbon dating isn't real just because it contradicts his religious fairy tale. Rather than being an adult and realizing "wait when we actually look at the earth it's far older than what my religious book says. I guess that means my religious book is wrong or I'm interpreting it incorrectly. This makes sense too because it was written by people in the bronze age who didn't understand how the universe worked as well as we do now". No, instead he pretends that carbon dating is fake and that literally every geologist, biologist, chemist, physicist, mathematician, etc. everywhere on the planet are all in on a grand conspiracy to deny the truth of his religion. This moron literally believes that there is evidence for the christian faith but that there ISNT evidence of the age of the earth via carbon dating. This is the level of delusional paranoia and reality denial of religious "people".

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is it really hard to see why many people look out at the stars see are existence as something truly special? The fact that universe exists at all is bizarre, not to mention our own existence.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think you are explaining tbe reasons why people have made religions.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everything else is waste products to engineer the conditions for humanity to arise.
    Gotta have all of that hydrogen so it can coalesce over a long time to form stars that fuses elements to create heavier elements that are then expelled as the stars die to then coalesce into rocky materials to then gather gases via gravity to then have water form and then create life soup to then have basic life that stems out and changes and then goes on land because water would not be conducive to technological/intelligence advancement and other life forms grew due to the wrong oxygen heavy atmospheric mix while small mammals were developing the right basic instincts to lend themselves to greater development later to then take greater supremacy when the big animals died off who then had a specific branch that began to behave in a tool using manner and capable of problem solving that eventually became capable of higher complex thought as a result.
    You could look at it as a series of coincidences or you could look at it as the perfect creation of circumstances for us to arise or there could be an argument that higher consciousness is an inevitable emergence in systems of life but there are no other examples of that to make that point. So really until proven otherwise we are utterly unique in our thinking abilities, even among life on Earth, our only example of other life.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >universe is 14 billion years old
    >universe 93 billion light years big
    do science cultists really?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I dont know if that's true, but maybe the laws of the universe werent always (numerically at least) the exact same they are today?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >being that desperate for a 6000-year-old planet
      Your god is too small.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        All 6000 of those years are historically attested and accounted for, your 14 billion is a number some random lab coat threw out to desperately appear smart.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Hola Nicolas. Nunca seras blanco.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And a burrito guacamole to you too.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    finding intelligent life out there somewhere would be a very large problem for "religion".
    Start there maybe?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >finding intelligent life out there somewhere would be a very large problem for "religion".
      In what way?

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Boards and social media outlets themed on socio-cultural topics draw more people in then discussions pertaining to stemshit. I bet if schools pushed for sociocultural anthropology more there would be less students exhibiting academic underperformance.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're only pretending to be a christian online because atheism has been deemed reddit by your peers. Perfect, for a sheep.

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