>sci-fi setting in the far future. >political landscape is a repeat of 16th-19th century absolute monarchism

>sci-fi setting in the far future
>political landscape is a repeat of 16th-19th century absolute monarchism
Why is this so common, and why does it work?

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    the future is primitive.
    and unfortunately the most likely "monarch" in a collapse would be a Bezos or Soros figure

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I feel figures like that would never get into space, or fail to maintain an interstellar empire if they were in charge. Dull old moneychangers don't make for an ambitious civilization. Increasing their power through the purchase of mental real estate is far easier and risk free than space colonization. A more virile and "illogical" type of leader, such as your average early-modern noble, would be far more interested in expanding to the stars, purely because he can.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >I feel figures like that would never get into space
        anon, I...

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          He went for a fricking field trip. He did not make it any further than the US government with the help of nazi scientists did over half a century ago. All of the technological innovations since then, all of the working models for advancements such as atomic rockets, all the wealth we could spend on pushing the limit instead of funding mass psychology experiments and third world aid, and we have achieved basically nothing.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >and we have achieved basically nothing.
            Because it's all crap. Not a single "achievement" in the post-industrial era is worthy of praise.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >and we have achieved basically nothing.
            Because it's all crap. Not a single "achievement" in the post-industrial era is worthy of praise.

            thank you libs

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Stupid faustian whites like you that believe in this "strive for the stars" crap are the problem.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            low iq ad hominem from (You)
            no argument detected
            i win

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >low iq ad hominem from (You)
            You deserve to be insulted for spreading your oversocialized tendencies worldwide.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            404 still no argument detected
            i win again
            at this point i'm almost tired of winning

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you think the problems of the World isn't throwing enough money towards rockets then you're a stupid insipid homosexual.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If you think the problems of the World isn't throwing enough money towards rockets then you're a stupid insipid homosexual.
            esl detected

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nothing about my post was grammatically incorrect. Frick off and leave the fricking Earth already shithead.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            You need to go to a better grammar school, ESL.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Y
            Dropped the cool and detached, passive-aggressive pretense I see.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            African or asian?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I think the other Black person is wrong but you did make a grammatical error, mein negrito

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            nta but you may be the biggest moron I've seen here

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I feel figures like that would never get into space
            anon, I...

            he didn't go to fricking space. he flew a rocket straight up and fell straight down. The first step to getting to space is generally getting to orbit, which takes a rocket ~10 times bigger

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's because space is fake and gay. I agree on not spending time or money on the third world or psy ops, but space is literally a distraction. There's nothing there, and will never be anything worth seeing that we can get to.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Going to other systems is a pointless endeavor, certainly. Even trying to colonize planets within the solar system is moronic.

            But orbital habitats are absolutely a great idea and that's where the future can be found. There is such a ludicrous amount of space in the system, such a ludicrous amount of resources, that to put it bluntly we could hit quintillions of people very comfortably without ever leaving the solar system.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Orbital habitats are a great idea
            If we send all the Black folk and israelites into space, then yeah. Otherwise it's the equivalent of living in a pod.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      makes no sense whatsoever. these are specific traditions and conditions, none of which we have today in any lively form.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    There are very few alternatives to democracy and autocracy. The rest are utopian.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    id say that if youre not going to have democracy, i feel like feudalism would be the go-to autocratic system for ruling various planets. i can see it being difficult to exert absolute power over several different planets scattered across different star systems, so you have rulers of planets or parts of planets who have a certain degree of autonomy and protection from the "king" who operates an industrial hub capable of producing ships and maintaining interstellar infrastructure, in exchange for a share of each planets resources and a levy of troops to operate ships and staff space stations etc

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      makes sense but some usually call it syndicalism...

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    democracy has never been established at a planetary level—to have that in the future would be the most speculative fiction of all

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Legends of the Galactic Heroes is turgid pontificating garbage.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's turgid pontificating etc but alright

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Post hand

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The future is stateless

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Humanity craves the familiar, even while fantasizing the unfamiliar.

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I know this is an off-topic thread and will probably get deleted soon, but can one of you quickly recommend me a book like this show? Just one. Any setting, I just want some political stuff between several warring states with larger than life characters.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Romance of the Three Kingdoms.

      The characters in LoGH are roughly analogous to those of the Three Kingdoms, as is the concept of the story. There's the same emphasis on tactics, politics, and strong characters with distinctive personalities and grand ambitions. There's no insightful political commentary like in LoGH outside from typical Confucian philosophy.
      Chinese literature is impossible to translate accurately and faithfully, it loses greatly from being translated, so if you can't read mandarin I would suggest an adaptation to a visual medium.
      Sangokushi by Yokoyama Mitsuteru is a 60 volume manga adaptation of a japanese novel adaptation of the Three Kingdoms. It's been fully translated to english.
      If you prefer a TV adaptation, there's the 1994 one, which is low budget, historically accurate, and autistically faithful to the original. The 2010 version has a higher budget, and takes many liberties with its characters, but if you're chinese you probably won't like it as much. I'm sure Xi Jinping prefers the 1994 version to the 2010 one.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >There's the same emphasis on tactics
        no not really. lotgh does not have the same care for space warfare tactics, theyre naive past strategies improperly grafted to space. its appalling.

        >The 2010 version has a higher budget, and takes many liberties with its characters
        you mean like the novel does with its historical sources

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >lotgh does not have the same care for space warfare tactics, theyre naive past strategies improperly grafted to space. its appalling.
          There's no Clausewitz, no real strategy outside of what a layman may surmise from reading history books, to be found in LoGH, but it gives strategy and tactics enough weight and consideration as to explain them to the audience for large chunks of an episode. Three Kingdoms has an equivalent emphasis on tactics and strategy, but these strategies are better, as they're somewhat plausible, don't involve spaceships, and have probably been historically used in the way the novel portrays them. I'd say some tactics are much more fantastical and unbelievable than anything you'd find in LoGH, like the Stone Sentinel Maze, which is probably as historical as Achilles fighting a river in the Illiad.

          >you mean like the novel does with its historical sources
          The novel is so iconic that its lies have basically become an accepted historical fact for the average chinese person. It is THE source on the history of the Three Kingdoms, in the same way Caesar is used as a legitimate source for the Gallic and Civil Wars despite his testimony being an unreliable, politically motivated distortion of historical fact. There's simply no source as comprehensive and influential as Guanzhong, even if (sometimes) he's writing fabrications.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            thats why i said it doesnt have nearly the same emphasis for tactics. completely disrespectful to 3000 years of strategic innovation. it really is a woman story, for that, and not the style of characterization and narrative.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Stone Sentinel Maze
            no this is actually scientifically plausible. the family friendly version are those nonmechanical refrigerators found in persia

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            caesars gallic wars is the only real source for that event afaik though. and its not that simple the chronicle version has centuries of commentaries that outweigh the romance version by itself

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          MUH TACTICS
          if you think le battle strategies are really what makes the show good you should receive awards for how low IQ you are

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            low iq post that didnt actually read

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The meta answer is that from a storytelling perspective, you want to be able to keep your cast of characters manageable while maintaining big stakes that they have personal interest in. It's much more of a pain in the ass to write compelling drama about some 1000-member legislative body running a multi-planetary democracy, where each of those representatives also has their own sub-legislature back home to deal with and report to, rather than simply having a few noble and aristocratic parties to follow.
    It's also because at the scale these settings generally deal with, feudal-adjacent systems are really the only practical solution. A planet-scale society needs its resources to be funneled down to a very small decision-making unit like a single family or person if that planet is going to be a relevant entity among other similar-sized societies. At the same time, that hypothetical ruler literally can't micromanage the planet, he's got to delegate. Then, the people he delegates to need to delegate, and so on down to the local scale.
    Let's take Caladan, for example. It's possible and even likely that governments at the city and regional scales look and function like some kind of democracy, but then you step things up the ladder through networks of territorial governors and councils that dictate the resource flows of whole continents, until you arrive at the Duke who's only regularly dealing with a few dozen people even though he's ruling a planet. Duke Leto doesn't care or have the time to care about some piddly city of a million people democratically electing a mayor and city council, as long as they can pay their taxes.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It's also because at the scale these settings generally deal with, feudal-adjacent systems are really the only practical solution.
      no they arent. you can have a bloated democracy do the same too. they can be relevant too but theyd probably be much like canada

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        A bloated democracy cannot act quickly enough to be relevant or defend its interests if its peer governments are all some flavor of autocracy

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          hahahahaha
          what political climate do we live in u moronic Black person

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            At least I can read

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because the farther we've seen "progress" in the real world, the more power gets consolidated at the top like in those times, making it look aristocratic is just the natural conclusion

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      The various revolutions that began starting in 1789 (arguably 1688) were about removing aristocracy from power, and handing it to those more subservient to moneyed interests. The concentration of power didn't change much, but the character of who had power did.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        We've gone from patricians that wanted to build esthetic churches, hired a few well paid thousands of voluntaries to fight their wars and perhaps fund one dancer mistress to (honorary) israelites funding state enforced homosexuality while enslaving millions of men to fight wars while controlling an even greater share of the wealth.
        After more than two centuries, anyone b***hing about old school aristocracy is regurgitating 18th century psyops and ideological gibberish without any care about empirical reality.

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    19th century prussia and 20th century usa were the primary external influences on japan and are the reason for that anime to have those factions

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think it depends on how FTL is approached.

    If FTL is fast, easy, and ubiquitous, along with the flow of information then you, usually, end up with more democratic settings because this mirrors our current situation of liberal-democracy paralleling with info-tech proliferation over the last couple of centuries.
    If FTL is difficult, or monopolized, rare, or dangerous, and the information flow between planets is likewise subject to limitations, then you more likely end up with a setting that is some manner of feudal, autocratic, or monarchistic because we associate such regimes with times in history where people's range of travel and information more limited.

    It just "feels" right because the situations reflect historical precedents so a lot of writers fall into the groove.

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is this so common, and why does it work?
    so the average moron gets it, its hard to imagine a new system let alone one set in the future, this is simple entertainment it needs the viewer to understand the setting quickly so it can build on it, although it is a good anime but its just entertainment stop thinking its some ground breaking work that will change your life, i say this with love, you are a dumb homosexual that should stick to his containment board.
    also its not common if so name 10 examples

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >stop thinking its some ground breaking work that will change your life
      speak for yourself

      and the truth is that absolute monarchism in space is absolutely plausible, which is what you should have pointed out

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The US about to shutdown because of democracy

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      monarchies shut down because of their accumulation of sin. theres never been a perfect moral example of a king, and it always builds resentment.

      At least I can read

      you cant read you cant interpret you cant think. theres no discernable talent

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >monarchies shut down because of their accumulation of sin. theres never been a perfect moral example of a king, and it always builds resentment.
        I guess that's why democracy defeated monarchy, and also why democracy is the final stage of a civilization before its death. The weight of sin is passed around by thousands of bureaucrats who refuse to take responsibility for anything. The anger of the people is spread out and never concentrated enough to encourage revolt, but because nobody is punished for bad decision making, the degradation never stops.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >why democracy is the final stage of a civilization before its death
          this doesnt apply to babylon, egypt, greece, or rome, curiously enough. please read about history for once and stop spreading this stupid meme.

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    There is only 2 governments that work long term. Democracy/Oligarchy or Autocracy/Monarchy Thats it anything else inevitably collapses into one of the 2 categories, perhaps just under a different name

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why? Because Dune.

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    A new frontier is colonialism again, and conquest is always the same, allowing renovated growth of the individuals that go out and conquer, and any growth in individual power is a regression in organizational complexity

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Reinhard did nothing wrong.

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone was bored out of their mind when George Lucas made attack of the clones a parliamentary rules fest and authors can just intuitively write better political intrigue with monarchs.

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because the deeds of men remain the same

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    LOTGH's Imperial plot was really far more like something out of Jin Dynasty China than anywhere in Europe.

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Has it ever been beaten? It hasn't. We all know it. LotGH is the greatest tv show ever written.

  23. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I stopped watching when yang wen-li died
    is it worth it to continue?

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