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Scythians are the ethnocultural predecessors to turks and mongols

Is this controversial whatsoever?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    “Turk” in general is pretty controversial because what even is a Turk beyond “Turkic speaking people”

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >what even is a Turk beyond “Turk”

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    looks like an Afghani bacha bazi

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, if you want to claim the Enaree as your own then that’s fine.

      Could very well be that the Scythians originated the same movement.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >looks like an Afghani bacha bazi

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      He has a beard you dumb moron.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      white Pashtun phenotype = Scythian.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In a Platonic or archetypal sense I'd say Scythians largely correspond to modern Russia/East Slavs. The Turks have always been perceived antagonistically in a way Scythians weren't.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I like your platonic approach but I feel like you're just saying this out of racial reasons, because this is the most uneducated reply in this whole thread, russians have roots in the west in a way that scythians just didn't and scythians were extremely antagonized from iran all the way to greece and rome, not to mention the fact that turkic customs and even superstitions are quite literally directly derived from scythian ones, and that late scythians were one and the same as many turkic confederations

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        historically, genetically, culturally, the closest heirs of the Scythians are the Eastern Iranians (Tajiks, Pashtuns, Kurds), and then the Central Asian Turkics (who are actually the closest relatives of the Mongols).

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >historically
          Nope, archeological data suggests scythians and there culture were subsumed by early turkic khanates and the majority of turkic customs originates in the alliance and later conquest of turkic people over scythians, early records about the scythians and their customs also seems to suggest that turkic and scythian people were part of some original and unique cultural continuum; the lifestyle of tajiks and pashtuns is a settled high-culture that originates within the iranian statehood, which considered scythians to be disgusting, filthy barbarians that were totally alien from them: they called scythians "aniran" (not iran), while tajiks and pashtuns are very obviously part of the modern persian cultural continuum
          >genetically
          Irrelevant to the topic and also wrong, kazan tatars and bashkirs are in closest proximity with scythians, but people groups can share a cultural continuum while having no genetic proximity, herodotus mentioned turkic people in the 5th century bc as a people "speaking their own language [...] their customs are scythian"
          >culturally
          Not even slightly, tajikistan is a mostly civilized iranian settled civilization with a persianate islamic high-culture, consisting of philosophy, literature, architecture and things generally not derived from scythian culture.

          With all due respect, you could maybe make the case that pamiris specifically are the closest modern population to the pre-historic proto-indo-iranians, but that's really as far as it goes, scythians were their own thing.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            except that Wakhi language derives directly from Saka so they literally are Scythians.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >derives directly from Saka
            Controversial, but consider this: is a small group of 20.000 people in tajikistan who practice a settled persianate culture from iran are the best representation of the ancient scythian people? It just seems like youre ignorant on the topic.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Given that "Scythian" groups were defeated and absorbed by Hunno-Turkics, this would not be controversial.

            No evidence.

            in terms of genetics they are nearest to modern eastern europeans.

            They are nearest to modern Central Asians, not Eastern Europeans.

            [...]
            [...]
            [...]
            Original Scythians, the people who founded Scythian culture, spoke the first Iranic and had sex with proto-Turk midgets were genetically identical to Scandinavians.
            This is just a fact.
            >NOOO THIS SAMPLE
            not an original Scythian.
            >BUT THIS TEST SHOWS A MUTT LIKE ME
            not an original Scythian.
            ALLL Scythian R1a is descended from a man who lived in Germany/Poland in the early Bronze Age/late Neolithic.

            You are rape babies and you got ragdolled by Slavs.
            To this day you lust after Slavic 4/10s because you know on some deep level you want your kids to be less like you and more like me.

            There is literally ZERO EVIDENCE on what language (or rather languages) "Scythians" spoke. There never was a uniform "Scythian identity" anyway. Besides, "Scythian culture" appeared near the Altai mountains from the contact with Asiatics and Siberians. These original "Scythians" were heavily Mongolized and nowhere near Scandinavians. You are clearly lying.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >There is literally ZERO EVIDENCE on what language (or rather languages) "Scythians" spoke.
            Scythian is still spoken today dude.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Mehmet from Ankara, you will never be Socrates or Euripides, you will never be Tamerlane or Genghis Khan. You will always be a hated Ottoman Kebab

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Kebab
            it's always a joomer, until proven otherwise

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What's a joomer and why is that guy so angry?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Wakhi and Saka appear very archaic in many features; they may be labelled as“Peripheral Iranian” as they preserve Proto-Iranian aspirated stops *pʰ, *tʰ, *kʰ (>Wakhi p, t, k) which are rendered as *f, *θ, *x in “Common (or Core) Iranian” (Küm-mel pers. comm.), independent development may be observed in the cluster *ʦu̯(IE *k̑u̯) > Khotanese (Saka) /ś/, Wakhi š (e.g. Ir. *aʦu̯a- ‘horse’ > Khot. aśśa-, Wakhiyaš × Ave. aspa-, Sogd. ’sp-, Bactr. ασπο × OPers. asa-). Both presented archaismsdemonstrate that Wakhi and Saka dialects split earlier from “Proto-Iranian” andsurely they may be considered as independent members within the (E)Ir. languagebranch. According to Martin Kümmel Wakhi may be classified as aWestern Sakadialect, the other attested Saka dialects such as Khotanese, Tumshuqese etc. aremembers of Eastern Saka dialects.

            Question of (Re)classification of Eastern Iranian languages. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/305402652_Question_of_Reclassification_of_Eastern_Iranian_languages [accessed Mar 14 2024].

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            shut the frick up Mehmet Greco-Kurd from Ankara, living in the Berlin slum

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >shut the frick up
            Is something people say when they don't like hearing the truth

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/lAE6st5.png

            Is this controversial whatsoever?

            In a Platonic or archetypal sense I'd say Scythians largely correspond to modern Russia/East Slavs. The Turks have always been perceived antagonistically in a way Scythians weren't.

            https://i.imgur.com/edDYqID.jpg

            Scythians are steppe horse riders
            This alone makes them closer to Turkics than to afghans/russians/slavs/iranics/whatever

            Original Scythians, the people who founded Scythian culture, spoke the first Iranic and had sex with proto-Turk midgets were genetically identical to Scandinavians.
            This is just a fact.
            >NOOO THIS SAMPLE
            not an original Scythian.
            >BUT THIS TEST SHOWS A MUTT LIKE ME
            not an original Scythian.
            ALLL Scythian R1a is descended from a man who lived in Germany/Poland in the early Bronze Age/late Neolithic.

            You are rape babies and you got ragdolled by Slavs.
            To this day you lust after Slavic 4/10s because you know on some deep level you want your kids to be less like you and more like me.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >spoke Iranic
            this concept didn't even exist in antiquity, greeks couldn't even recognize the linguistic similarities they had with latins and iranians called scythians "aniran" in the shahnameh; more evidence that your racetard understanding of the world is not consistent and 100% a mental disorder and not a valid opinion

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >were genetically identical to Scandinavians
            lol

            https://i.imgur.com/xyZHn4B.jpg

            >shut the frick up
            Is something people say when they don't like hearing the truth

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            this, except they actually cluster with ukranians

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    in terms of genetics they are nearest to modern eastern europeans.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, but Russian Tatars, not Slavs.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        shut up.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Scythians are steppe horse riders
    This alone makes them closer to Turkics than to afghans/russians/slavs/iranics/whatever

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Expect Turks copied that culture

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Turks shared that culture, things aren't inherently ethnic like how your diseased mind constantly makes you think

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Turkics = Mongols.
    No Scythian, no steppe Aryan.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    pro-tip, instead of relying on the obvious joomer/golem poster posting 3 samples (lel), fetch all the samples and test them you're a shelf

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Idiot, its an average of all samples available, he literally shows them being compiled

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Scythians are still alive and continuing their legacy in South Ossetia. You roaches and slavs can stop playing pretend now.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you think a settled russian orthodox caucasus people best represent a nomadic barbarian steppe people? cultural predecessors cant be boiled down to just linguistics or just genetics; im also not making the claim that they are literally linked like romans to italians, im saying the ancient precedent to the turkic cultural continuum is the scythian one

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        On the basis that they speak a Scythian language and you don't, yes.
        Turkish and Russian historians have muddled up research on the Scythians, so the best indicator of succession for me is language.
        Neither of you speak a Scythian language, so you're way too far gone from whatever Scythian heritage you had to be considered Scythian.
        Also
        > settled russian orthodox
        They have more Muslims than Orthodox, and more pagans than Muslims. They are the only practicioners of an indigenous European pagan religion.
        > caucasus people
        They are not churkas. They don't mingle with any of them because they have a poor reputation among them.
        Since Ossetians stay true to their warrior heritage, they've earned a bad reputation as butcherers of turkic peoples in caucasus.
        I think you are way too uneducated on the subject.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Scythians were white, turkroaches are not.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Also there's Alan, Khworezmian, Sogdian and Saka which are attested languages spoken by Scythians with several inscriptions made by them.
    How much more do you Turks need?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/jgFlV9g.jpg

      early Sakas from central Asia.

      the earliest example of the Tasmola culture which is considered sakas.
      [...]
      later and shitty mongrels.

      Falsified result, here's the total average of all saka samples and not just 1 outlier

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    early Sakas from central Asia.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasmola_culture

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's not Saka, also you deliberately choose an outlier. Saka/Scythians are from the Iron Age.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Distance to: Kazakhstan_Tasmola_Saka_IA
        0.06575794 Bashkir
        0.08324038 Udmurt
        0.08370315 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
        0.08418613 Tatar_Lipka
        0.08478022 Besermyan
        0.09188341 Uzbek
        0.09324112 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
        0.09425745 Tatar_Siberian
        0.09435142 Turkmen
        0.10063422 Tatar_Kazan

        Distance to: Kazakhstan_Tasmola_EIA
        0.04003062 Bashkir
        0.04642258 Tatar_Siberian
        0.07584018 Uzbek
        0.08282636 Nogai
        0.08917419 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
        0.09125351 Uygur
        0.09400408 Hazara
        0.09529501 Karakalpak
        0.09550690 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
        0.10336984 Yukagir_Forest

        Distance to: Kazakhstan_Birlik_Tasmola_EIA
        0.03302867 Khamnegan
        0.06761583 Buryat
        0.06888415 Oroqen
        0.07135625 Tuvinian
        0.07137109 Kalmyk
        0.07419631 Nanai
        0.07604928 Mongolian
        0.07752252 Mogush
        0.07894880 Ulchi
        0.08174942 Mongol_IMAR

        These guys are actually very Eastern. More so than most Saka/Scythians.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the earliest example of the Tasmola culture which is considered sakas.

        Distance to: Kazakhstan_Tasmola_Saka_IA
        0.06575794 Bashkir
        0.08324038 Udmurt
        0.08370315 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
        0.08418613 Tatar_Lipka
        0.08478022 Besermyan
        0.09188341 Uzbek
        0.09324112 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
        0.09425745 Tatar_Siberian
        0.09435142 Turkmen
        0.10063422 Tatar_Kazan

        Distance to: Kazakhstan_Tasmola_EIA
        0.04003062 Bashkir
        0.04642258 Tatar_Siberian
        0.07584018 Uzbek
        0.08282636 Nogai
        0.08917419 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
        0.09125351 Uygur
        0.09400408 Hazara
        0.09529501 Karakalpak
        0.09550690 Tatar_Crimean_steppe
        0.10336984 Yukagir_Forest

        Distance to: Kazakhstan_Birlik_Tasmola_EIA
        0.03302867 Khamnegan
        0.06761583 Buryat
        0.06888415 Oroqen
        0.07135625 Tuvinian
        0.07137109 Kalmyk
        0.07419631 Nanai
        0.07604928 Mongolian
        0.07752252 Mogush
        0.07894880 Ulchi
        0.08174942 Mongol_IMAR

        These guys are actually very Eastern. More so than most Saka/Scythians.

        later and shitty mongrels.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's LBA, not Iron Age. Might be even a wrongly dated sample.
          >later and shitty mongrels
          Cool, they pre-date actual Scythians.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is picrel a Scythian woman?
    Does anybody know who is the artist?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What about picrel?

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like the fact the significance of the fact that Turkic peoples used to have ruinic alphabets is vastly underrated in its importance.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    All those depictions made them look way too civilized. They were violent barbarians who drank blood of their enemies and made leather articles from their skin.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Turks are the closest thing to Scythian descendants we have today. All this 19th and 20th century larping won't change genetic data. Europeans (outside of Russian Turkic people) have nothing to do with them.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I didn't intend to make this a haplo-autism thread full of racial descent claims, what I tried to explain in the OP, is that the ancient equivalent to the modern turkic cultural sphere (geography, culture, customs, lifestyle, reputation etc.) was the scythian one, and I mean that in a wholly ethnocultural way that relates to the "ethnos", not ethnicity, in the same way that the predecessors to the european union was the roman empire, the turkic cultural continuum is the antecedent to the scythian cultural continuum

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        if you wanna know what scythians were like, read the wikipedia pages about the yuezhi, wussun and xiongnu. Yes all of them

        But long story short, nomadic mongols (about their way of life) but red haired and light eyed (phenotype)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Ossetians are the MOST PATHETIC and the LEAST INTIMIDATING of any Caucasus people. A bunch of confused Perso-Georgian mutts larping as Turks.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That there is geographic area corresponding to a Turkish ur-homeland is controversial in itself.

    Turkics were not a cohesive linguistic or cultural group like the Scythians. Turkic migrations into west asia also happened way later when the Scythians, Sarmatians or Roxolani (all three groups somewhat related) had all but dissapeared during the 6th-7th century with the Göktürks khanate.

    Its also controversial to say today that these Göktürks were related to groups like the Seljuks. They must have been a completely seperate people. What is more likely is that there was diffusion of the Turkic language among herders and other nomadic pastoralists who adopted the Turkic language. The ancient sources are not that much reliable because Sassanids and Chinese called all these peoples the same name. The Byzantines called the turkic Bulgars for example "scythians" , even though its completely ahistorical.

    Finding cultural continuity for such nomadic groups for such long periods of time is nearly impossible, a similar connundrum exists with the Huns and Xiongnu, a connection which is also controversial to this day.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    go to the wikipedia page about scythians, and read their physical description, then look at all the mummies we have of them with hair, then after that I'll post the 20 samples I got that predominantly cluster with ukranians, and then read what Herodotus (patron of IQfy btw) had to say about the royal scythian tribe

    nuff said

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Scythians were legit a violent, pussy whipped gynocracy so I don’t see why anyone would be jumping to claim them as their ancestors anyway. It’s not even like Greeks who had literature and art to make up for their pederast perversions. Scythians were just Durka manginas owned by womemes.

      >Some tell a story how the Amazonian women dislocate the joints of their male children while mere infants, some at the knee, and others at the hip-joint, that they may be maimed, and that the male sex may not conspire against the female, and that they use them as artisans to perform any sedentary work, such as that of a shoemaker or brazier.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    pretty fast to move the goalpost, aren't you ylturbohomosexual? no (You) 4 u, starve

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    reminder that israeli shills get paid for (You)s, let them starve

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Scythians are the ethnocultural predecessors to turks and mongols
    KEK

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > WAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH OSSETIANS ARE GOGI MUTTS WAAAAAAAAGH... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH SCYTHIANS WUZ TURKS
    Gogis make it way too obvious lmfao

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >These obscure shia dudes in central asia are the real scythians because their meme language is related
    really?

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