>Septimius Severus wasn't black, he was a white Med!

>Septimius Severus wasn't black, he was a white Med! North Africa was white!
oh no no no /misc/bros not like this...

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    What did the kid on the left do to merit being erased

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      either it's Caracalla b/c everyone hated him; or it's Geta after Caracalla murdered him to stamp out his memory.

      all the emperors were psychopathic homos btw

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        the one on the right had the one on the left assassinated and his name and image wiped from memory

        It's Geta, Caracalla ordered all images of him be destroyed.
        [...]
        Are you trolling
        [...]
        Rome was a part of the Latin League, not against it. They had been a member until they effectively dissolved it in the later 300's as they defeated a large group of Latins and forced terms on them. Which the majority of the Latins weren't affected by.

        >either it's Caracalla b/c everyone hated him; or it's Geta after Caracalla murdered him to stamp out his memory.
        >the one on the right had the one on the left assassinated and his name and image wiped from memory
        >It's Geta, Caracalla ordered all images of him be destroyed.
        unfounded conspiracy theories

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        the one on the right had the one on the left assassinated and his name and image wiped from memory

        [...]
        [...]
        >either it's Caracalla b/c everyone hated him; or it's Geta after Caracalla murdered him to stamp out his memory.
        >the one on the right had the one on the left assassinated and his name and image wiped from memory
        >It's Geta, Caracalla ordered all images of him be destroyed.
        unfounded conspiracy theories

        We will never know which brother is the cancelled one. But there are good reasons to believe the cancelled one may be actually Caracalla:

        >Taller as he was the older
        >Excrements were used to cancel the face. Seems odd that a public official would do that in a insigna used in a goverment building under a imperial damnatio memoriae decree. Would make much more sense if it was a private act of desecration for personal reasons instead
        >He was HATED in Egypt for his Alexandria decable

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          it was not caracalla, it was Geta, this is the consensus

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      the one on the right had the one on the left assassinated and his name and image wiped from memory

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        It wasn't an assassination, if you belive Dio, it was cold-blooded murder by his own hands as Geta was crying in their mother's arms.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          >It wasn't an assassination, if you belive Dio, it was cold-blooded murder by his own hands as Geta was crying in their mother's arms.
          cassius dio was well known as a liar
          probably, it wasn't true

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            he was a degenerate hellenized mutt
            cassius dio and his ilk are responsible for the moral decadence of rome during the imperial period

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            i don't think that's his bust

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It's Geta, Caracalla ordered all images of him be destroyed.

      The hair texture, nose shape, midface. It's a very common mulatto phenotype. Even most Modern nafris wouldn't look like that and he was half Roman. Very clear Black features. The Severans were actual blacks.

      Are you trolling

      Rome was founded by Etruscan kings and the Latins united into a Latin League to defend themselves from Rome. Still lost anyways and became its second big conquest (after the Etruscan Veii)

      Rome was a part of the Latin League, not against it. They had been a member until they effectively dissolved it in the later 300's as they defeated a large group of Latins and forced terms on them. Which the majority of the Latins weren't affected by.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It wasn't even the first war between Rome and the latin league, just the final one

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >It wasn't even the first war between Rome and the latin league
          To say Rome 'went to war' with the Latin League would be incorrect, since the League never actually made war on Rome, different members did, but that's not acting as the Latin League. It'd be no different from calling Rome's own wars a war of the Latin League when the only member fighting was Rome.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Wikipedia says otherwise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_League

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Wikipedia
            Not a real source

            >Outside of the communities which engaged in the Latin uprising, the rest of Latium seems to have continued as before. For instance Sutrium, Nepet, Signia, Norba and Ardea all retained their existing political structures.
            'War and Society in Early Rome' by Jeremy Armstrong, p.287

            So there were plenty of members of the League which did not participate in this. There was a significant amount of Latin communities which did not join the Samnite campaign in 341 which would later go to fight the Romans, indicating that this was a private matter between concerned Latin states rather than a unified target of the Latin League

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            I understand the bit about Wikipedia but why do people tend to put so much weight on single sources by single authors/historians? What makes Jeremy Armstrong's p.287 quote so certain to you? Sincere question
            Ive always wondered how much of our history perception is colored by the references of single historians who likely dont know as much as we think they do.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Because one is done by pseuds with a cursory understanding of what they write about and another by somebody who has been studying it for decades. What academics write don't exist in a vacuum either, there are plenty of others historians who input and contest points of an argument. There are no single historians painting our complete historical perception, even in areas where very little actually look into like the Huns it's still hotly contested. For example Hyun Jin Kim is one of the only people that actively studies the Huns but what he writes is generally disagreed with by other academics of Late Antiquity and isn't held in very high regard. You have Britain in the 6-7th centuries with the anti and pro Germanic stances on how Anglo-Saxon migration affected England which has been topical for nearly a century. Or how exactly the Goths interacted with the Roman Empire, which has had two different camps for the better part of 50 years. If there is an argument anywhere, there will also be somebody who disagrees with it and has their own to counter it in history.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            the page links to the sources

            >It wasn't even the first war between Rome and the latin league
            To say Rome 'went to war' with the Latin League would be incorrect, since the League never actually made war on Rome, different members did, but that's not acting as the Latin League. It'd be no different from calling Rome's own wars a war of the Latin League when the only member fighting was Rome.

            >To say Rome 'went to war' with the Latin League would be incorrect
            it is correct

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        How am I trolling? His father had black skin and his bust looked like a mulatto.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      What happened to me in my family irl cause I'm an incel neet.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >What did the kid on the left do to merit being erased
      maybe it was just an accident, with no political motivations

      the one on the right had the one on the left assassinated and his name and image wiped from memory

      you're confusing him with another emperor, Nero

      either it's Caracalla b/c everyone hated him; or it's Geta after Caracalla murdered him to stamp out his memory.

      all the emperors were psychopathic homos btw

      >all the emperors were psychopathic homos
      this is an exaggeration but the roman aristocracy was certainly degenerate during the days of the empire

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      It was normal in many old cultures to portray males with a dark hue and depict females (and children) with a much lighter shade, the difference probably wasn't so accentuated in real life. Septimius Severus was of half-Punic (by 150 CE, probably fully or nearly fully local Roman North African) and half-Roman Italian (Imperial), at best his father was like a Moroccan israelite (probably not even that) and his mother was probably some flavour of half-Roman / half-Anatolian mutt similar to Sicilians, Apulians and other similar types of brown people.

      He was brown, but not THAT brown, probably looked like those Calabrian siblings, brown, but not black.

      Geta, his own brother Caracalla (the other kid) tried to erase his memory after getting him killed when both were co-emperors.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        do Italians actually look like that pic? good god, that peninsula needs to be cleansed, the white ones can be spared, you can clearly see shitskin genetics there

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Caracalla was very clearly a mulatto based on his phenotypical features

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      like such as?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The hair texture, nose shape, midface. It's a very common mulatto phenotype. Even most Modern nafris wouldn't look like that and he was half Roman. Very clear Black features. The Severans were actual blacks.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          what the frick is a nafri

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            North African

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            being half north african makes you "mulatto"?
            in america that means you're half-Black

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I'm saying most modern North Africans WOULDN'T LOOK LIKE THAT. Caracalla was clearly mulatto and his father Severus a Black.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            oh.
            haha. das rite my fellow afrikang.
            we wuz haha

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          cope, he looks nothing like a nafri let alone a mulato you blatant homosexual

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            he's extremely dark skinned and looks kinda quadroonish

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            He does not. He looks like your average swarthy med, but still he looks full caucasic.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >"med"
            meme

            he has pajeet tier skin tone

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            Nah he is not. Stop coping mcMutt.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            he has a pajeet skin tone
            and "med" does not exist

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            he was a brown man
            and none of that mediterranean olive bs, he was a brown man

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            he was as dark as an indian

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I went to school with this half black half white kid and he genuinely looked just like that, albeit lighter hair and darker skin than that coloration

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Yes that's why just saying Severus was just some white North African is moronic.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/m4N7FAp.jpeg

      >Septimius Severus wasn't black, he was a white Med! North Africa was white!
      oh no no no /misc/bros not like this...

      He was a tawny medbvll like otzi. north africans have dark brown skin

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Looks like any Nafri guy you'd find in the alleys of Paris

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Narfis are mulattos

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      closer to a quadroon or octaroon in my opinion, but that's just my opinion of course

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Always funny when racists try to claim Rome was an ethnostate.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It wasn't. But neither was Septimius Severus a subsaharan african.
      Even if he had skin black as night (he didn't) that wouldn't make him SSA. Melanesians, Aborigines, Indians; they have black skin but arent black Africans.
      I've known many ethnic Greeks with skin as tan as the OP.
      Go outside.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Who said he was Subsaharan african? I think you've got something living in your head rent free there my guy.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          see

          I'm saying most modern North Africans WOULDN'T LOOK LIKE THAT. Caracalla was clearly mulatto and his father Severus a Black.

          The hair texture, nose shape, midface. It's a very common mulatto phenotype. Even most Modern nafris wouldn't look like that and he was half Roman. Very clear Black features. The Severans were actual blacks.

          https://i.imgur.com/m4N7FAp.jpeg

          >Septimius Severus wasn't black, he was a white Med! North Africa was white!
          oh no no no /misc/bros not like this...

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Well go argue with them don't talk to me about it. And you are still the first person to mention SSA.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            they're saying he's mixed
            i agree with them , he was a hodgepodge of races and ethnicities, half imperial italian mutt half punic mutt

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >But neither was Septimius Severus a subsaharan african.
        >Even if he had skin black as night (he didn't) that wouldn't make him SSA.
        it's clear from his skin color and the phenotype of him and his son that he had substantial Black admixture

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          all he had was tan skin and curly hair.
          if you think tan skin and curly hair are "clear" signs of Black admixture you are schizophrenic.

          Caracalla, for example, has a purely caucasoid skull shape with zero prognathism. you dont just inherit curly hair if your father had "substantial" admixture. your skull shape will reflect it as well.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            you call that "tan"? good god, his skin is darker than bronze

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            thats a tan, yes.

            pic related is a fellow "substantially admixed" individual I found just now on google images

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            tanning beds didn't exist and he was part nafri, he was a mutt

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >sun doesnt exist

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            He most certainly didn't look like that Slav-admixed gayfaced Greek singer, his heritage was Imperial Roman North African and Roman Italian (half-Anatolian).

            He probably didn't even look like those brown Italians here, but even more exotic.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            tanning doesn't naturally make you as brown as a pajeet, and curly hairs are a sign of mixed ancestry
            he was a mutt with nafri ancestry from his father side (and nafris were heavily african admixed in the past too), i don't why americans have such a hard time understand, when you say this they think you're talking about a full sub saharan african

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            don't act like people don't deny he had heavy SSA admixture though

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >curly hairs are a sign of mixed ancestry

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            these are wavy hairs, curly hairs are like pic rel

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            you didn't post a curly haired man

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        >It wasn't. But neither was Septimius Severus a subsaharan african.
        and neither was he white
        >Even if he had skin black as night (he didn't) that wouldn't make him SSA.
        he wasn't black or white, he was a brownoid

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      We don't. We say that it WAS, during the Roman Republic, which is indisputable. Then it became mongrelized through multiracialism and extending citizenship to more and more subhumans. Caesar mutted Rome with the Gauls but it didn't really matter because they were still European but the institutions and civic virtues were destroyed forevermore. Then came the Africans Syrians etc. The original Latins who founded Rome would have had a heart attack if they saw Black folks, trannies, etc as emperors and Rome flooded with Syrians.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Right, so it was only during the peak of Rome's power that it stopped being an ethnostate, and then it went on for centuries after.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          The roman empire was legitimately weaker than the republic.
          >Huh? What? Huh?
          Yes. The republic was full of moral, driven, and
          courageous men. They could field GIGANTIC armies on a whim and never surrendered to anyone. The Roman republic was a force of nature. In comparison, Alaric wandered down the italic penninsula with a force so small the roman republic would have been able to dispatch with even a small consular army. The Empire was weak

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            I wish the Germanics ended Rome before the Severan dynasty

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah so the Roman empire witch stands across all of Europe. Has less manpower than the Republic, do I have that right?
            That is definitely a funnier claim than Rome was an ethnostate lol.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Correct. why is this blowing your mind?
            especially in the premodern age; you cant just draft people across an entire empire. the army was paid soldiers who joined of their own volition.
            no one wanted to fight at the end of the roman empire except the rare few.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            It's blowing my mind that someone would actually try to claim this lol. You never heard of the Marian Reforms? The Republic was running out of manpower to fight its wars. One of the main reasons it fell, had to switch to paid armies of professional soldiers instead of levies.
            And there was a lot going on at the end of the empire, I'm talking about the height of the empire. Since that's what was brought up earlier.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >You never heard of the Marian Reforms? The Republic was running out of manpower to fight its wars.
            That was not what the Marian reforms were about. They were targeted to alleviate property owners from the extreme demands of Roman conscription and retain men longer when they were conscripted. There were still hundreds of thousands of men being enrolled and actively engaged in the military. It was a way to decrease the burden of the massive conscription of Central Italians on small landowners who suffered from extended campaigns.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, you just said what I said, they couldn't conscript people so they switched to professionals. This is the solution to the manpower crisis of not being able to conscript enough.
            Is this blowing your mind lol.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >how could the empire have had manpower problems????
            >*procedes to explain its very real manpower problem*
            huh
            and it only got worse and worse obviously.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, maybe you didn't know the Marian reforms were a product of the late republic? Or maybe you are just really lost and its time for meds.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            the late republic became what, Anon?
            what did the late republic morph into?

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Oh yeah it morphed into the empire, in part because of the manpower crisis of the republican conscription system. The republic reforms the army, professional soldiers become loyal to who pays them blah blah the empire is born.
            Bit over simplistic but as you see manpower shortages in the military was a contributing factor in the fall of the republic. Which is unlike where you claimed the republic had no problem fielding larger armies than the empire, When, you know, they did.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Oh yeah it morphed into the empire, in part because of the manpower crisis of the republican conscription system.
            complete lie, it morphed into the empire because of the civil wars
            > The republic reforms the army, professional soldiers become loyal to who pays them blah blah the empire is born.
            absolutely not, octavianus because the emperors because of his politicking, not because of a bunch of mercenaries

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >complete lie, it morphed into the empire because of the civil wars
            The civil wars happened because of the manpower crisis, the same crisis that would later also destroy the empire, since the native romans refused to fight

            >absolutely not, octavianus because the emperors because of his politicking, not because of a bunch of mercenaries
            Augustus had armies of mercenaries, this is how he managed to dominate the empire

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            the civil wars were caused by the disloyalty of the roman upper classes

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >complete lie, it morphed into the empire because of the civil wars
            no, it's because Augustus wanted revenge for julius cesar
            >absolutely not, octavianus because the emperors because of his politicking, not because of a bunch of mercenaries
            his name was augustus, and he won when he took control of the army

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >no, it's because Augustus wanted revenge for julius cesar
            that was just a pretense, not the real reason

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >complete lie, it morphed into the empire because of the civil wars
            the real reason: they needed territories and slaves more than ever, and the republic wasn't aggressive enough
            an imperial form of government was needed

            >Marian reforms
            >a product of the late republic
            LOL no

            take your meds

            yes, they were a product of the late republic

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >yes, they were a product of the late republic
            no, they were a product of the transition between empire and republic

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >yes, they were a product of the late republic

            They started the reforms in 100 BCE, the empire still didn't exist
            you're just wrong

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Marian reforms
            >a product of the late republic
            LOL no

            take your meds

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >N-no you take your meds
            This is just sad bro, go look it up for yourself.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Why do both whites and black desperately want to claim ancient cultures?
            they're delusional
            septimus looked like a pajeet

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >they couldn't conscript people
            They could and they did. Every year most men in Central Italy were enrolled. Some 15-20% of all men in the region were actively serving in the army. Serving was a legal obligation, the only people who could evade it were people who didn't own anything. Which was not many people.
            >This is the solution to the manpower crisis of not being able to conscript enough.
            Except that this wasn't a manpower crisis. There were too many people being conscripted, that was the entire point of the reforms. To lessen the burdens of conscription on land owners. If anything it did the opposite of increasing manpower. There was no manpower crisis. There was an issue in small landowners being burdened by conscription, but there was never an issue in getting men into the army.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            If its not an issue of manpower, why do they need to change the laws? There are too many people being conscripted as you say, its a 'burden' thats a crisis, you make a soldier class.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >If its not an issue of manpower, why do they need to change the laws?
            I don't know if you can read but it seems you are delibarately ignoring the fact that being conscripted into the army for the better part of a decade uninterrupted can ruin small landowners. This doesn't have anything to do with lack of manpower. It has to do with political pressure at home to lessen the burdens of it.
            >There are too many people being conscripted as you say, its a 'burden' thats a crisis, you make a soldier class.
            The majority of men post Marian reforms were also still conscripted in the same way they had been during the Middle Republic. Both Caesar and Pompey conscripted armies, nearly half of Caesar's army in Gaul was made up of recent conscripts and not by career soldiers. A standing army is only formed under Augustus which didn't conscript.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Its always a problem of definition on this site I swear. You can't conscript people for years and expect them to go back to their old job, yes. The people involved suffer, they put pressure on their senators or whatever, it damages the society, all that stuff. What that means is the republic doesn't have access to these people as far as manpower for the military goes. Which means the army is short of manpower, so you introduce reforms to work on this problem.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Rome was founded by Etruscan kings and the Latins united into a Latin League to defend themselves from Rome. Still lost anyways and became its second big conquest (after the Etruscan Veii)

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Funny that you mention Caesar conquering Gaul as the problem and not Pompeii conquering the east. I'm guessing history isn't your strong suit.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        One of the first things the Romans did was mix their genes with their neighbors.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          yes they were Europeans not Arab and Berber subhumans

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Your opinion about who is or isn't a real person doesn't change the fact Rome was multicultural, right from the start.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          >One of the first things the Romans did was mix their genes with their neighbors.
          well these guys were probably not that different from the romans

          Your opinion about who is or isn't a real person doesn't change the fact Rome was multicultural, right from the start.

          good point, it became more and more multicultural, but the seeds were planted early

          https://i.imgur.com/ygwgl5M.jpeg

          >extremely dark Black skin
          you are very committed to this bait, I'll give you that.

          he's not baiting

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          This reminds me that Irving Norman based one of his works on this painting

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Julia Domna was born a Syrian Arab
    Can we really be certain these portraits are actually authentic? No Arab can ever look like that

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Arab meant Syrian back then

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Southern levant is historically arabian

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Syrians can't look like that, ever.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Modern Syrians are ultimate mutterinos with 40% Somalian/Jeet/Bedouin DNA. Ancient ones used to have a White elite.

          >In a 2020 study published in the American Journal of Human Genetics, researchers have shown that there is substantial genetic continuity in Lebanon since the Bronze Age interrupted by three significant admixture events during the Iron Age, Hellenistic, and Ottoman period. In particular, the Phoenicians can be modeled as a mixture of the local Bronze Age population (63%–88%) and a population coming from the North, related to ancient Anatolians or ancient South-Eastern Europeans (12%–37%). The results show that a Steppe-like ancestry, typically found in Europeans, appears in the region starting from the Iron Age.[74]

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Natufians could never look like that

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Go watch the palm Sunday orthodox Christians in Syria from the other week. A lot of em look southern European

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    He certainly wasn't black.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone in that painting has a Caucasoid skull.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    It was a common practice in the Mediterranean to depict adult males with darker skintones than women, this was a representation of men be meant to be outside, under the sun, and women to be indoors, you can find similar paitings among greeks, miceans, etruscans and egyptians

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Septimius Severus wasn't black, he was a white Med!

    He was mostly Italic with some Punic DNA. Punics were White people who enslaved local Nafri mulattos and used them as farming equipment.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Why do meds cluster with Natufian descendants

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      then explain his complexion and the Black features of him and his son

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Why do meds cluster with Natufian descendants

        >Severus was black

        He was so shocked the first time he saw a black dude, that he almost died.

        >"After inspecting the wall near the rampart in Britain… just as he [Severus] was wondering what omen would present itself, an Ethiopian from a military unit, who was famous among buffoons and always a notable joker, met him with a garland of cypress. And when Severus in a rage ordered that the man be removed from his sight, troubled as he was by the man's ominous colour and the ominous nature of the garland, [the Ethiopian] by way of jest cried, it is said, “You have been all things, you have conquered all things, now, O conqueror, be a god.”

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Nafri cries when he meets his rapist
          More news at 11

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          I love how everyone just ignores this post as it completely demolishes the idea that Severus was black.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            no one is claiming that he's black, he was a mixed mutt with nafri ancestry, some sort of octaroon probably
            and people with some african ancestry can hate black, look and nafris, they hate blacks even if they have african ancestry

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      These European samples are mere farm equipments and bed warmers. Picrel is how actual Phoenicians (E-M81 elite) plot on PCA.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Those Tunisian Punics were all from elite tombs. Only the women are pure Nafris.

        Septimius Severus piss over your Black ass.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Nope. They were taken from a communal slave tomb actually, this should be obvious considering their non-Semitic genetic profile. Also, Kerkouane itself was just a slave workshop full of Greek potters.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Cope.

            https://i.imgur.com/kEw1cNU.jpeg

            >oh no no no /misc/bros not like this...
            moron, Severus was the offspring of a racially Nafri male (with distant and diluted Punic ancestry) with an Italian female:
            >Severus had Italic and Punic ancestry; the Roman ancestry came from his mother's side, while his Punic ancestry came from his father's side.
            >Severus was described as 'Libyan by race', by the historian Cassius Dio.
            Even Punic themselves were mongrels like South Italians, Maltese and Sephardics, a hodgepodge of every imaginable Med population. It's not a surprise everytime you mix Nafris, Arabs and purer Meds (North Italians and Iberians) you get the exact same type of mongrel: Sephardics, South Italians, Maltese, Punics, Imperial "Romans", etc.

            >moron, Severus was the offspring of a racially Nafri male (with distant and diluted Punic ancestry) with an Italian female:

            Nafris and Punics were bitter enemies and fought many wars. The only Nafris allowed in Punic settlements were slave women to satisfy the Italian-Greek like Punic males.

            >Even Punic themselves were mongrels like South Italians, Maltese and Sephardics, a hodgepodge of every imaginable Med population. It's not a surprise everytime you mix Nafris, Arabs and purer Meds (North Italians and Iberians) you get the exact same type of mongrel: Sephardics, South Italians, Maltese, Punics, Imperial "Romans", etc

            Aren't Nafris closer to Somalis than to fellow Meds? Imagine such an Africanized population calling others "mongrels". Severus looks nothing like a Berberlatto.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            italians are brown colored half middle easterners
            severus looks like a dark skinned nafri mulatto because he was half punic, and punics were nafri admixed

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Cope.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            you lost wog
            south italians are half middle eastern
            punics were brown mutts with berber and wog admixture
            septimus severus was a brown skinned man with berber mulatto admixture from his punic father

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Listen to this Nafri. South Italians have a lighter skintone than some Southern French despite being "half Middleasterners".

            You can't argue against it.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Listen to this Nafri.
            i'm not a berber mulatto

            >South Italians have a lighter skintone than some Southern French
            south italians are shitskins and darker than the french, prepignan are brown iberians
            also that's only 1 of the 2 main skin pigmentation alleles
            don't try this shit with me, swarthoid, you are brown, south italians are indisputably brown and half middle eastern due to roman imperial migrants

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >south italians are shitskins and darker than the french, prepignan are brown iberians

            Marseille is darker than Rome and only slightly lighter than Naples.

            >also that's only 1 of the 2 main skin pigmentation alleles

            The other one is fixated among Europeans. I couldn't find one survey with South Italians, but Sardinians are 100% on it.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Marseille is darker than Rome and only slightly lighter than Naples.
            only 1 of the 2 main snps for light skin, plus those marseille samples are brown italian migrants from genoa and other brown italian places like most people in maseille
            south italians are brown colored half menas, don't you even try, middle eastern

            you are an half middle eastern and you look brown

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          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >only 1 of the 2 main snps for light skin

            The other one is fixated among Europeans. Stop with this cope already.

            >italian immigrants

            This is some serious cope. Nevertheless Tuscans and Bergamo are paler than fricking Belgians/Northern French outside of Brittany. Are you going to blame that on Italian immigrants as well?

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >This is some serious cope.
            it is not cope, those are italian and iberian migrants

            >Nevertheless Tuscans and Bergamo are paler than fricking Belgians/Northern French outside of Brittany. Are you going to blame that on Italian immigrants as well?
            besides bergamo is a cherrypicked sample, genoa is much more representative and scores less of that snp (and tuscany only has 8 samples)
            skin is not like eyes, it's more complex with more alleles at play, in terms of skin north italians are probably a bit darker than northern europeans but are overall more brown because of darker eyes and hairs and partially middle eastern facial features

            and of course south italians are brown half mena and look brown as frick, they are almost as dark as turks and syrians
            i know you're some coping terrone that can't accept the fact that he's brown and looks brown, incredible just how much you cope about it
            you are brown

            don't you ever say again that the nafri admixed punic mongrels were "white", i don't want to see your pro nafri garbage posts around anymore

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >those are italian and iberian migrants

            No, they aren't. Stop with this cope.

            If South Italians are as dark as Turks and Syrians as you claim, then Southern French are also as well. Case closed.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >No, they aren't.
            yes they are, you're the coper here

            >then Southern French are also as well. Case closed.
            those are italian migrants from the representative city of genoa (and with a good sample size) and from surrounded people related to them like corsicans (that correctly represent northern italians)
            marseille is chock full of them (and they are classified as multi generational natives)
            south italians are not white, this is not up to discussion, you're half middle eastern, you are dark, you have dark skin, dark hairs and dark eyes

            now, why are peddling nonsense about nafri admixed punics being white?

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Le Italian and Iberian immigrants cope

            This guy's head is about to explode. I can Imagine him fuming from his ears.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            yes, they are italian and iberian migrants, case closed
            south italians are brown and half middle eastern whether you accept that or not

            now, it's time for you to reply to this: why are you calling the berber mulatto admixed punics white?

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >yes, they are italian and iberian migrants, case closed

            No, they aren't. Stop coping. Southern French are as dark as Syrians according to your "logic".

            >now, it's time for you to reply to this: why are you calling the berber mulatto admixed punics white?

            I was just trolling people calling them black in this thread.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >No, they aren't. Stop coping.
            yes they are italians and iberians that are considered multigenerational natives, case closed, i won't address this further

            south italians are not a white population, at best i could accept you as my personal brownish servant to take care of my fully brown MENA servants when we conquer the southern hemisphere

            >I was just trolling people calling them black in this thread.
            you were serious i could tell

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >south italians are not a white population, at best i could accept you as my personal brownish servant to take care of my fully brown MENA servants when we conquer the southern hemisphere

            Southern Italians have the same skintone of other Southern Europeans including mutt Southern French. Turks are way darker, Syrians are literally half Turks half Bedouins and look almost like Pakistanis.

            >We have studied the F374L polymorphism in 1649 subjects from thirteen Eurasian populations and in one African population (Yuasa et al., 2006). The highest allele frequency of the 374F variant in this study was observed in Germans (0.965), French and Italian showing somewhat lower frequencies, and Turks having a value of 0.615; haplotype analysis confirmed than the haplotype diversity was much lower in Germans than in Japanese, and suggests that the 374F variant occurred only once in the ancestry of Caucasians. Norton et al. (2007) investigated the distribution of the 374F variant in 53 populations (including six European and one North African population); they confirmed that the 374F allele were observed at the highest frequencies in Europeans (and was lacking in African,

            https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://academicjournals.org/article/article1379514057_Lucotte%2520and%2520Yuasa%2520pdf.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi4tPqW4IyGAxUE_rsIHbjPCgoQFnoECCMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0SK3oPLqozhrCyOmvXOd6S

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Southern Italians have the same skintone of other Southern Europeans
            so shitskin

            >Southern French
            iberian and italian migrants in marseille yes

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            of course, southern italians are dark skinned half middle easterners

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            tbh he's at least right when he says that people from Perpignan are Iberians since it's what they are. They were part of Spain/Aragon before the late 17th century

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Perpignan is iberian, corsicans are north italians

            marseille is a mutt city, no one is french there anymore, to the point that evne the so called official natives of marseille that would be used in genetic studies are practically just italians and iberians

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Marseille was never really French in the first place, it was a greek colony. Look up Antonin Artaud (greek, armenian, french, maltese, italian mutt) you get the average Marseillais.
            Occitans are whiter (= more northern shifted) than other southern europeans. Gascons (southwest french) are pretty much the same as Iberians, while not being Iberians however.

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Occitans are whiter (= more northern shifted) than other southern europeans.
            academic samples yes, but the average occitan, especially from a big city is completely mutted
            there is literally not a single native french in marseille, and looking up statistics is useless since iberians and italians that came at the beginning of the previous century are considered natives

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            why are these mutts so uppity?
            he's literally crying because he's not considered white lol

          • 7 days ago
            Anonymous

            Check your eyes.

            I proved that Southern Italians have the same skintone of Southern "French" and are much lighter than Turks. I have never compared them to the likes of Danes, Germans and Orcadians.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >I proved that Southern Italians have the same skintone of Southern "French"
            those are iberians and italians

            various snps interact with skin color, it's not like with eye color where there's one very predominant
            it's certainly an indication of course but not an absolute, and stop mentioning those italian samples from marseille
            anyway south italians are brown, this is not up to discussion, you are not a white population
            you are an half middle eastern, stop crying, you are not included in the white category

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >various snps interact with skin color, it's not like with eye color where there's one very predominant

            No, among Europeans only the 374f allele shows some variance.

            >You are Brown

            Bro, the only difference between Northern and Southern Europeans is ratio between pale and intermediate skin tones. Truly Brown skin tones only exist in MENAs.

            Now I am curious to see what your next cope will be.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >No, among Europeans only the 374f allele shows some variance.
            it's not just those 2 alleles you complete and utter moron
            see how tuscans are already much browner according to this map that has more than 8 samples and analyzes various alleles for skin
            of course you are much darker haired and darker eyed and you have semitic factual features, even more so in the south

            >Bro, the only difference between Northern and Southern Europeans is ratio between pale and intermediate skin tones. Truly Brown skin tones only exist in MENAs.
            you are brown
            >Now I am curious to see what your next cope will be.
            that various snps interact with skin color, it's not like with eye color where there's one very predominant, and it's certainly an indication of course but not an absolute, and stop mentioning those italian samples from marseille

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >it's not just those 2 alleles you complete and utter moron

            Well I posted the Hirisplex data which combine all the possibile known SNPs and the only difference between Northern and Southern Europeans is the ratio between pale and intermediate skin tones. Notice how the French average is just as dark as Southern Europeans. I guess those are all Iberian and Italian immigrants again.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            >Well I posted the Hirisplex data which combine all the possibile known SNPs and the only difference between Northern and Southern Europeans is the ratio between pale and intermediate skin tones.
            yes, it shows very clearly that you are brown
            south italians are browner than tuscans even that along with iberians are the brownest set of samples in their european dataset

            > I guess those are all Iberian and Italian immigrants again.
            very possible that half of them may be italian and iberian migrants or corsicans and other southrons
            combine it with the low amount of light hairs and light eyes and the exotic facial features
            you are brown

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            see

            only the people of east, central and northern europe are white, southern europeans are not considered part of the white race, especially not the southern italians that some of the most mixed people in southern europe

            see

            >Marseille is darker than Rome and only slightly lighter than Naples.
            only 1 of the 2 main snps for light skin, plus those marseille samples are brown italian migrants from genoa and other brown italian places like most people in maseille
            south italians are brown colored half menas, don't you even try, middle eastern

            you are an half middle eastern and you look brown

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            south italians neatly fall into the brown category
            why are you crying so much about this?

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            you are literally half middle eastern from the roman empire dude

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            * facial features

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            south italians are brown and half middle eastern

            science has settled this

            >Marseille is darker than Rome and only slightly lighter than Naples.
            only 1 of the 2 main snps for light skin, plus those marseille samples are brown italian migrants from genoa and other brown italian places like most people in maseille
            south italians are brown colored half menas, don't you even try, middle eastern

            you are an half middle eastern and you look brown

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            begone

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            only the people of east, central and northern europe are white, southern europeans are not considered part of the white race, especially not the southern italians that some of the most mixed people in southern europe

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            south italians are the most self hating mongrels in europe since they're literally something like 50% levantine and anatolian or something

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          septimus was born long after carthage was destroyed he would be like tunisians.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        They all come from elite hypogea

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          Nope. They were European slaves as evidenced by their non-Semitic haplogroups and autosomeme DNA.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            No, the slaves were the ones with Berber blood

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            I agree. Both Whites and Berbers are the slaves of Semites.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Punics were White people
      >when they were clearly brownoids

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >white
    >black
    these words need to die. he looks like a tanned med.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >oh no no no /misc/bros not like this...
    moron, Severus was the offspring of a racially Nafri male (with distant and diluted Punic ancestry) with an Italian female:
    >Severus had Italic and Punic ancestry; the Roman ancestry came from his mother's side, while his Punic ancestry came from his father's side.
    >Severus was described as 'Libyan by race', by the historian Cassius Dio.
    Even Punic themselves were mongrels like South Italians, Maltese and Sephardics, a hodgepodge of every imaginable Med population. It's not a surprise everytime you mix Nafris, Arabs and purer Meds (North Italians and Iberians) you get the exact same type of mongrel: Sephardics, South Italians, Maltese, Punics, Imperial "Romans", etc.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Yes just ignore the contemporary depictions of his extremely dark Black skin.

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        Such as?

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        >extremely dark Black skin
        you are very committed to this bait, I'll give you that.

        • 7 days ago
          Anonymous

          why are you defending Severus and acting like he was white? look at the OP pic, also he established the dynasty that ruined Rome and mongrelized it with Easterners

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          >you are very committed to this bait, I'll give you that.
          severus doesn't look sub saharan but he is consistently depicted as a dark man, maybe something like a pakistani

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      >moron, Severus was the offspring of a racially Nafri male (with distant and diluted Punic ancestry) with an Italian female
      Imperial Italian

      • 7 days ago
        Anonymous

        truly so
        he was punic on his father side (they were something like 30% berber mulatto, and 20% middle eastern) and imperial romans from his mother's side( so something like 50% middle eastern)
        overall he was a total mutt

  11. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    The meta point I wanted to make is that the republic *could* conscript. Conscription is actually more of a voluntary process than you would think. The roman republic had many men willing to fight and die for it. The empire tried conscripting, but especially as time went on, they would just not want to do it. Either by self-mutaliation, running away to become a bandit, or just general desertion. The empire was a bloated monstrosity, the roman civilization was well past its prime by the time of the empire, and yes it was mutted to all hell.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah and they only managed to have a functional army for centuries after the republic fell.

  12. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    R1b U152 Roman Patricians report in

  13. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >white
    >med
    Either be a hardline one-drop nordicist or cut the bullshit

  14. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    The beauty canon of antiquity was that of pale women and tanned men. So women would shelter themselves as much as possible from the sun, and men would take sun.
    Hence loads of paitings from the era exacerbate this.
    Even in the bible there is a verse where a woman laments that she has to work in the sun and thus became dark.

  15. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    J U S T A T A N
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  16. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    the severan dynasty was a disaster for rome

  17. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    pic rel?
    just your average white person with dark brown skin, 30% nafri ancestry and 30% middle eastern ancestry

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      just a tan saar
      just a tan kind sir
      just a tan madame
      just a tan kind madamette

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        this, he just had a tan, like the average indian, the average indian is pretty fricking light skinned, if they don't go tanning of course

  18. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >answer these (headcanon) questions
    Thanks (again x4) for confirming that.

  19. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    why do these shitty threads keep getting spammed here. this board should be deleted

  20. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    How hard is it to accept that the Roman Empire was diverse? There were whites black, and brown people in it owing to its massive size and reach. This is like people arguing what races were in America thousands of years after its collapse

  21. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    At least post a pic where the depicted individuals are mostly representative of your thesis. Unless you want to argue that reproduction worked differently at the time and that children weren't supposed to look like their parent.

  22. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Why do both whites and black desperately want to claim ancient cultures?
    Is it a sense of inferiority for not achieving anything back then?

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