>shits on L Ron Hubbard for literally 100 pages

>shits on L Ron Hubbard for literally 100 pages
>reach to a point where he literally says ''if he intended on it to have been a scam to get money, he wouldn't have spent nearly as long trying to perfect the methods used as therapy for people''
I have no fricking clue what stance he wants the reader to take, because for the majority of what I've read so far, he's been talking negatively about L Ron Hubbard exclusively, then goes ahead and says that it wasn't actually a scam made to get as much money into the organization as possible, despite talking negatively about L Ron Hubbard for the majority of his initial stage of writing Dianetics and forming the church.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A scam just to get money will burn out and explode eventually.
    A scam to get everyone you scammed to worship you as the new Jesus and dedicate their entire lives (and bank accounts) to you needs a little more planning.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >A scam to get everyone you scammed to worship you as the new Jesus
      Never was the intention. He was described as some type of maniac with delusions of grandeur, and yet, sociable and relatable enough to maintain a group of people around him most of the time. These two things contradict eachother.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > These two things contradict eachother.
        They literally don’t

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          People aren't morons, you're underestimating the ability of each person to properly assess whether someone's out to abuse them or use them in some way. You could say that the people he chose to surround himself with were some type of gullible people, but even then, they'd be able to tell if there was something wrong with him and he just wanted to use them for his own benefit. The fact that they at first accepted it is one thing, but remaining close to him and allowing him to have an influence over them through the course of a longer period of time, it's not something easy to achieve.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Black person humans are fricking moronic. You especially

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sounds like some bad cope where you consider yourself smarter than people when in fact you're basically braindead.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you're underestimating the ability of each person to properly assess whether someone's out to abuse them or use them in some way
            I think you're grossly overestimating their ability to do so.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > People aren't morons
            The kind of people that join cults are.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In my most cases, agreed. It’s the usually the norm shits with inane power fantasies who are master manipulators. Mostly genuinely weird people tend to be nice people when you peel back the layers

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe not at the very beginning, but look at the difference between the original OTVII Hubbard write and the one his successors replaced it with. At a certain point he was definitely pushing in that direction.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If I were to take some of the things in this book as absolute fact, he'd be completely irrational and insane, deluded and severely mentally ill, up until the point where there's a recognition that he wasn't some type of scammer. 100 pages of saying he's a nutcase and about three lines describing his real intention that had nothing to do with benefitting anything from it. I get that it's a journalist and that the point is to try and draw your own conclusions, but the sheer amount of pages talking about how he was a terrible person only to lead into a point saying that maybe he wasn't trying to benefit from any of it?

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Couldn't it be that the man had some cognitive dissonance about what he was doing?
    I could very easily believe that he had conflicting opinions on his own work and actions that he never really resolved and simply compartmentalized.
    People do this every day to themselves, usually just not with anything as sensational as founding a cult. People are also prone to post-hoc rationalizations about unintended consequences and directions that their actions lead to.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have you considered that one can be trash for reasons other than monetary scams? Or that you can have both positive and negative judgements about someone?
    The positive aspect he mentions is also legitimate. Hubbard even if moronic might have done his best for therapy in (then) the middle of a world that was split between Dr Fraud and performing lobotomies.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    According to his estranged son he was a Crowleyan and saw himself as the direct heir of Thelemite theurgical black magic. No doubt he thought the stuff worked and wanted to "perfect" it but this is not incompatible with wanting to be a pagan magician and cult leader.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This was written about in the book as well, he had some contact with Crowley according to the book, but didn't follow him exactly as supposedly they had different views that weren't very compatible with eachother.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Being a cruel tyrant is not incompatible with believing your own ideology. Also Hubbard believed himself to be the incarnation of Lucifer on earth

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It wasn't a get-rich-quick scheme, his ultimate goal was to operate with some level of untouchability outside of the legal system. And while he didn't give a frick about his followers, he probably did intend for his teachings to be more than just pure nonsense.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Has anyone considered the possibility that he was an intelligence asset? Seems to line up with MKULTRA and he had a lot of military connections.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He literally exposed MK Ultra in his 1951 book "Science Of Survival". Read the section on "Hypnotic level". From then on, the intelligence community treated Hubbard and Scientology as the enemy, to be destroyed by any means necessary. So, no, he was not an intelligece-agency asset.

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