Slavery wasn't that bad.

A little farm work for room and board. Or maybe being a servant. You get a log cabin. Looked after in your old age. Better than living in the jungle in Africa. Most blacks actually liked being slaves.
>oh no the unspeakable trauma of farm work!
Yeah that sounds like crap to me.

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >wife and son get sold and have to move to a new plantation
    >new master rapes both of them
    Living the dream!

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      What percent were raped?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        enough that the average black in america is 25% european.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Again. What percent were raped?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It wasn't a crime to rape your slaves so there are no stats to go off of.

            However, I do have this:
            >Enslavers had a financial interest in enslaved peoples’ reproduction, as children born to enslaved women inherited their mothers’ enslaved status. This “natural increase,” as it was termed, enriched enslavers’ bottom lines. Nowhere was this more so than in Virginia and other states of the Upper South, where a large enslaved population, the ending of the transatlantic slave trade, and a declining agricultural sector combined to make it profitable for enslavers to sell their surplus slave labor to the booming cotton states of the Lower South. In 1832 during a debate over slavery in the House of Delegates, James H. Gholson of Brunswick County compared enslavers right to the “increase” of their enslaved women to that of “the owner of brood mares” and noted that this “increase consists of much of our wealth.” During the same debate, Thomas Jefferson Randolph noted that 8,500 enslaved people were exported annually from Virginia to the Deep South and said, “It is a practice and an increasing practice, in parts of Virginia, to rear slaves for market.”

            1/2

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            As a ballpark figure, what percent?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            About 1 out of 4.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            you will never have an ethnostate/10

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It wasn't a crime to rape your slaves so there are no stats to go off of.

            However, I do have this:
            >Enslavers had a financial interest in enslaved peoples’ reproduction, as children born to enslaved women inherited their mothers’ enslaved status. This “natural increase,” as it was termed, enriched enslavers’ bottom lines. Nowhere was this more so than in Virginia and other states of the Upper South, where a large enslaved population, the ending of the transatlantic slave trade, and a declining agricultural sector combined to make it profitable for enslavers to sell their surplus slave labor to the booming cotton states of the Lower South. In 1832 during a debate over slavery in the House of Delegates, James H. Gholson of Brunswick County compared enslavers right to the “increase” of their enslaved women to that of “the owner of brood mares” and noted that this “increase consists of much of our wealth.” During the same debate, Thomas Jefferson Randolph noted that 8,500 enslaved people were exported annually from Virginia to the Deep South and said, “It is a practice and an increasing practice, in parts of Virginia, to rear slaves for market.”

            1/2

            >Historians disagree about how systemic forced reproduction was, but it is clear from oral histories and other firsthand accounts that enslavers did engage in the practice. James Green, who was enslaved in Virginia, recalled that his master “chooses de wife for every man on de place. No one had no say as to who he was golin’ to get for a wife. All de weddin’ ceremony we had was with Moster’s finger pointin’ out who was whose wife.” Will Ann Rogers remembered that her mother, who had been enslaved in Virginia, told her that her owner “mated” slaves “like stock.” Sam Everett, enslaved in Virginia, recalled that “if there seemed to be any slight reluctance on the part of either of the unfortunate ones, ‘Big Jim’ would make them consummate this relationship in his presence.” He noted that this brought sadistic pleasure for the enslaver beyond the profits to be gained: “He enjoyed these orgies very much and often entertained his friends in this manner; quite often he and his guests would engage in these debaucheries, choosing for themselves the prettiest of the young women.”
            >Enslaved women were commonly referred to in terms that reduced them to their reproductive capacity. Massie recalled hearing enslaved women sold at the local slave auction being referred to as a “fine wench” or a “good breeder.” Similarly, some enslaved men with imposing physical builds were used as “stock men” to impregnant a number of women with no regard for family connections. One slave recounted being forced to reproduce with fifteen women and father dozens of children.
            https://encyclopediavirginia.org/entries/sexual-exploitation-of-the-enslaved/

            2/2

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Presuming this was all rape and no house negress consensually begged for massa’s BWC

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            the "whites raped the blacks" is cope by northern blacks which are light skinned mutts from the Caribbean to try and larp as slaves

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the Caribbean

            The blackest part of the Americas? Yeah, nice try ADOS moron.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the Caribbean
            >The blackest part of the Americas
            HOW DO YOU DO FELLOW N WORDS, I TOO WAS AN AMERICAN SLAVE

            NEVERMIND MY HISPANIC SURNAME, I IDENTIFY AS BLACK

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you take out Cuba, the DR, and Puerto Rico, almost every single nation in the Caribbean is predominantly black, and for the two that aren't (Trinidad & Tobago and Guyana), they don't have a very large Indian majority over the Black population. Outside of the skin bleachers, the vast majority of Afro-Caribbeans are dark skinned black people.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the vast majority of Afro-Caribbeans are dark skinned black people.
            >if you take out all the islands that aren't
            you're a fricking moron

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >thinks slaves can consent

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This post reeks of someone who has never done manual labor before in their entire life.

      Read Sociology of the South by George Fitzhugh, slaves had it much better than made out to be, and the idea that slave masters were all evil sadists and not just businessmen who wanted their farm equipment in healthy top shape for long term income security is seriously ridiculous, not to mention slaves are expensive to replace so why cost sink into abusing them? Makes no sense

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >slave masters were all evil sadists and not just businessmen who wanted their farm equipment in healthy top shape for long term income security is seriously ridiculous
        A lot of abuses occurred.

        >not to mention slaves are expensive to replace so why cost sink into abusing them?
        Only once the supply of them dwindled. Also people get drunk off the power.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >and the idea that slave masters were all evil sadists and not just businessmen who wanted their farm equipment in healthy top shape for long term income security is seriously ridiculous
        This is a book that's compiled of newspaper clippings from slave states, testimonies from slaves, slave traders, slave owners etc. on slavery.
        https://archive.org/details/americanslaverya1839weld2/page/n3/mode/2up

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          The book I recommended is also written by a slave owner, he also supported enslaving whites who were Black tier in intelligence n skill, both low intellect whites and blacks in general are better off as forcefully civilized slaves than criminal scum shitting up society for everyone else.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          If you're treating them like farm equipment you neccesarily aren't worried anything more than their physical well-being, and you'll have no problem treating them like broodmares.

          If you really think this makes the slavers look any better you're crazy.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        > Read Sociology of the South by George Fitzhugh, slaves had it much better than made out to be
        Just off this absurd statement, no. I will never read it.
        > just businessmen who wanted their farm equipment in healthy top shape for long term income security is seriously ridiculous, not to mention slaves are expensive to replace so why cost sink into abusing them?
        Because abuse isn’t murder, Black person. It was a rare day a slave master just frickin killed a guy, unless he was already not that valuable and had seriously acted up. Their long term income security was the fact that the import of new skavesbhad been banned so breeding had become part of the livestock practice. Middle class slaveowners didn’t breed slaves or buy more than one or two, they were not treated as extreme, at least typically. However there was still a culture of expectation to not so much as work in the same task as your slave. Ask Ulysses S Grant what his neighbors thought of him when he was doing shit with the one slave he involuntarily inherited from his father.

        Obviously for more large-scale operations there needed to be a sort of prison culture, to keep everyone in check and have it running. Nobody wants to pick cotton until their hands bleed in 105 degree soupy weather for no pay. Does it baffle you, do you seriously spend time at night wondering why a whip, a gun, a stock, or a heat trap would be necessary to uphold such a dehumanizing practice?

        I swear it’s like people don’t wait three seconds to employ critical thinking skills before posting

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        yeah bro, they were godly angels

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >murders his wife
          >only gets a couple whippings
          fair trade

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Fitzhugh was an antebellum southern intellectual who owned plenty of slaves himself.
        A really interesting figure but there's more than a little bit of an exercise in self-justification in that book, shouldn't take it as some kind of neutral historical text.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Didn’t happen in most cases.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Better than living in the jungle in Africa.
    Most of Africa isn't jungle.

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    This post reeks of someone who has never done manual labor before in their entire life.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    i know this thread is trolling but OP's argument is unironically what some progressive types will try to make to "sanitize" african (and/or islamic slavery) when compared to new world slavery

    >it wasnt so bad chud the master made sure he educated the slave kids that were his rape spawn
    >the slaves became part of the family chud, they lived in the same house and helped raise the kids

    etc

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >OP's argument is unironically what some progressive types will try to make to "sanitize" african (and/or islamic slavery) when compared to new world slavery
      Not really.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        How not? People will try to sanitize West African and Islamic slavery with those same kind of arguments. They do it on here lol

        West African slavery also involved widespread human sacrifice. I don't remember Washington or Jefferson celebrating a special occasion with the mass burial of a dozen bound and gagged slaves topkek

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          So whataboutism.

          I don't see anyone ITT arguing that slavery elsewhere was good.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nobody in this thread made that argument but it has been made on this bogwyrward

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don't see that bring the case.

          >West African slavery also involved widespread human sacrifice.
          Certain entities did it and it wasn't uniform or consistent since it fluctuated over the years and the causes if it varied between each flare up. Also it coexistence with free and other types if k
          Labour so it's not exactly the case that everyone was enslaved. That's what made slavery in parts of Afruca hard to "flush out" it was hard to distinguish who was a slave and who wasn't for foreign observers because you had cases where both were in good condition and others where both were in marginal states not to mention fluctuations between that.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            So one can observe slave and/or forced labour in pre-colonial, colonial and post colonial states through an African perspective but also condemn it such a lense such as how various states tackled child labour in cocoa states.

            Many anti-slavery writers were natuve Africans who were attacked it or critiqued local/state reliance on it.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >looked after in your old age
    if you don't die of malaria first
    why do you think they shipped people in from the most malaria-resistant region on Earth, the group of people who have the sickle cell mutation, instead of just paying Anglo poorgays to do it or using captured Indians? The south before quinine was a death trap and the Caribbean was worse

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    i read a pretty good history of Liberia and i was kind of shocked how much letter writing went on between some of the former slaves and former owners.

    there were ex-slaves writing letters to former owners asking about their health, the status of the farm etc. and former owners sending letters to ex-slaves asking about their own health, their children, offering advice for what to do when they received land in Liberia. i know that these letters represent a small % of american slavery history but i did find it fascinating. slavery was a varied experience for both slave and master.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I agree with you that the experiences of slaves were not uniform, and I find this tid bit fascinating. Going back to your point about the diverse experiences of slaves, these former slaves could read, which I find to have likely been a highly significant factor in their relationships with their masters, since most slaves were illiterate to my knowledge. Would it be possible for you to post a link to some further reading material about this subject?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        "Another America: The Story of Liberia and the Former Slaves Who Ruled It" - James Ciment

        Interesting book.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks for the book recommendation. I shall see soon if my local library has it.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I hope that every person who repeats this sentiment winds up enslaved.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Go back to Woodcrest Uncle Ruckus!
    We don't take kindly to Toms like yeh boy!

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    That happens when the slave owner is generous, but not all slave owners are generous.

  10. 4 months ago
    Radiochan

    let's see how you'd like it

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    that's why they abandoned the plantations given the chance.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Meh. Yes not all slave masters were evil, some could be quite fair but slave treatment wasn't necessarily all that great. Especially in places like Haiti. There were laws in place that gave the slaves some rights and protections, but they were mostly ignored or the slaves were not informed of them.
    I dont think it's a particularly meaningful opinion for someone to like being a slave if they've been that way their whole life, i could also similarly retort many slaves ran away or tried to escape slavery. Many people get used to their circumstances. Many people were also born into slavery. When you've got nothing else to compare that to then it becomes natural for you, maintains the status quo by giving you a clear position in society. Many slaves in many societies have had some rights or protections as well as different conditions. Just because some aspects were good doesn't necessarily mean the whole thing was.

    I think this idea can simply be responded to by asking, would you, right now, giving up all your current liberties, luxuries, and status want to be a black slave back then? Even worse one being transported across the Atlantic.
    I rest my case.

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