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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Meh, ARM doean't really have much to offer now that intel/AMD have improved battery life on their laptop chips.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All new tech is cringe

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      AMD's AVX-512 is pretty neat for AV1/AVIF encoding, blender, and of course emulation and AI. Might get more interesting as more and more things adopt it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >AMD
        >AI
        You cannot be more of a shill than this fricker.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          To be fair we don't know if AVX-512 is the future of AI or not. But being able to access hubdreds of GBs of memory is a pretty hude advantage.

          https://wccftech.com/llm-runner-llamafiles-update-10x-performance-boost-to-amd-ryzen-avx-512-cpus/

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >10x performance boost
            >still 10x slower at AI compared to Novidea
            bro...

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I dunno but you can't access hundreds of GB of memory on an RTX 4090. AVX 512 gets around GPU memory limitations.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I dunno
            should've just stopped there

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, despite being marketed as an AI chip it’s still getting mogged by most consumer GPUs but the only real benefit to x elite is battery life.
            Meanwhile high end Apple chips are doing impressive numbers in AI with GPUs that have access to huge amounts of LPDDR5x

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They need a specialized chiplet for accelerated matrix multiplications, not ever bigger vector instructions.
            Matrix multiplications are the main bottleneck in AI.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Didn't Intel get AVX-512 before AMD?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It was an absolute fricking raging inferno and they removed it from consumer chips from the utter humiliation. AFAIK the best they could do on the server chips was throttle the shit out of them lol.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Intel chips did have AVX-512 first support first, but actually using it turned their chips into house fires, so much so that they ended up removing it from their most recent consumer CPUs. AMD with their more recent Zen 4 chips has figured out how to implement it with more sane power draws.

            But apart from temps, are those early intel AVX-512 implementations functionally different than newer ones?

            t. old xeon w/avx-512 owner

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, they are different. AVX-512 has been extended over the years with specific instructions to improve specific tasks. The performance is the most important thing though as saying "temps" doesn't really explain how fricked it was in that no matter how much cooling you have, the CPU is just designed to downclock when you use AVX-512 because the way intel designed it requires so much power it can't do anything but. AMD's trick was to "double pump" a 256bit system so that while that means it takes twice as many clock cycles to get there, it means it draws less power and the CPU doesn't have to throttle. And not throttling means that all the ancillary tasks the CPU is doing that aren't vector related like memory/cache transfers, instruction decode, superscalar, etc. are all running at full speed so the overall performance is significantly higher than the old Xeons.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Intel chips did have AVX-512 first support first, but actually using it turned their chips into house fires, so much so that they ended up removing it from their most recent consumer CPUs. AMD with their more recent Zen 4 chips has figured out how to implement it with more sane power draws.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            earliest 12th gen intel cpus had avx-512 but intel turned it off via microcode for no reason.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ok boomer

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    since i don't need a new laptop currently i can wait until strix point and lunar lake drop to see if there's even a single advantage of having a qualcomm laptop

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no modern normie consumer is going to use local models.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      my iphone se can run a local chatbot albeit its a tinyllama equivalent

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What’s the app for that? There’s dozens of shit ai apps and I need a good one.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Corps will move to local, same subscription cost, but the user pays for power to run inference, it's the perfect business model and the normies will be none the wiser. Win for tech people and corps.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only way you can get AI to gen porn.
      All of the megaisraelite corp-owned AI models censor everything.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the Thinkpad one looked semi cool
    backdoored garbage unfortunately

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >walled garden
    Cringe

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ARM is an enemy of your freedom.
    But in an unironic non-shitpost way. Wanna boot your own OS? Too bad eat shit frick you.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can't you put Linux for ARM on it? Is it locked in somehow?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You can but almost every SOC manufacturer forces you to use their kernel fork with proprietary code which they support for a very short time and then you are stuck with an outdated piece of shit. The Raspberry Pi is an exception because it works with the mainline kernel.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        there's secureboot

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s ARM64 Windows.
    Not everything works. Microsoft’s x86/64 compatibility layer is meh.
    It’s designed with AI features > battery life > security > actual user experience >>>>> gaming in mind and it’s market is people who were buying MacBooks for the same amount of money but hate MacOS for no reason yet still want something that doesn’t suck battery like your mom sucks wiener.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it has amazing linux support

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I am waiting for actual independent reviews before forming an opinion on how good these Snapdragon chips may or may not be. So far most of the marketing for them is AI AI AI, which I don't have much interest in.

    It is also important to remember that Intel & AMD have their own shiny new mobile chips in the pipeline (Lunar Lake & Strix Point / Halo) to come out later in the year, so these Snapdragons will have to compete with those too for much of their lifecycle.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gaming is an afterthought, these are designed as easily configurable mostly secure business devices that have security tokens, card readers, etc.
      these are being marketed as direct competitors to the MacBook Pro with good battery life and roughly the same computing power as the base M3 in the MBA.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >jewiness
        Its so tiresome.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          None of them would care about making an efficient design if Apple wasn’t eating their lunch. The M3 MBP has a 100wh battery and lasts 18 hours unplugged watching movies with random Zoom calls throughout the day. Meanwhile the Dell XPS-13 claims 14 but gets about 4-5 of actual hard use.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Frick off Appleshill, Dell making amazing laptop.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I ended up returning my XPS-13, the battery life is 14 hours and I’m the pope. More like 4-5 hours.
            Meanwhile, the newest MBP gets about 18 hours watching movies.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Dell making amazing laptop
            lmao

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >*creaks when you open the lid*

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            finally, a soft touch esc key. I've waited over 30 years for this revolutionary change.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >People absolutely despised the macbook touch bar
            >So what if we did that, but removed the advantage of it being a display that could change what the buttons were, so it was just a shit unreliable row of keys that you have to look at to press
            Genius

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            xps easily has the worst battery life I've ever seen

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I absolutely don't care, they can go all burn in literal hell.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The people buying them care. MacBooks can do about 95% of what an x86 windows machine can do and 110% of what one of these can do and they’re the same price.
            You can put full Windows 11 ARM on MacOS through Parallels and for the past 3 years it’s been by far the fastest machine capable of running W11ARM and by a considerable margin. Apple is still eating Qualcomm’s lunch

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Sticker
    Cringe

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wait guys are you serious? I HAVE to use the OS that they give me at the retail store? I'm not allowed to dual boot or do any of that cool stuff? That can't be true. It just can't be.

    *pepe nervous sweating*

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I doubt it, even apple silicon macs can boot linux.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Asahi isn’t really ready yet, but you can boot whatever you’d like on Parallels.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      w11 is barely usable, unpleasant to use piece of bloated shit.
      The fact that you can't install ltsc or lawnix is indeed problem.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They have said that they will support windows, and I doubt they will 100% lock down it in case users want to install windows 12.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how's ARM on Linux ?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's really good for servers, AWS has been pushing EC2 on their own ARM chips for a while so they've done a lot of work with making packages available for ARM
      lacking on the desktop side

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want a red laptop, unfortunately I have a feeling these ARM based laptops are going to be locked-down shit. Locked down bootloaders, locked down OS, locked down partitions....

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Enjoy not being able to install anything but windows on it. The ARM device curse

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it has amazing linux support

      No coreboot, sure, but they already announced Ubuntu support.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I bet using only their own specialty built kernel and drivers which they then stop supporting after 2 years

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Holy goalpost.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In order to move a goalpost, you have to actually build the goalpost

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        will you be able to load anything under than ubuntu? or is Microsoft still going to be the gatekeeper of the keys?

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ARM
    If I wanted a device that gave complete control of what I could install to someone else, I'd just buy a chromebook.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    More like Crapgaygin
    BTFO
    kys cringe OP

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >more proprietardy bullshit

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Identical to a MacBook
    God why is Apples interface hardware so fricking kino

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah. Now we have two types of computers, ones are for those who accomplish nothing with their graphics/web/video editing on arm chips, and for those who actually do something meaningful like autodesk, virtualization, and real programming on x86 arch. fricking gays brought back late 90s

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Very based, gives hope for a FOSS processor without intel ME and other spyware
    Frick intel, frick amd

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >implying qualcomm doesn't put their own spyware in chips, lol.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then prove otherwise.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Pay x86 price gouging prices for become a betatester for m$
    Giga cringe.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    where is the 2 day battery life, mechanical keyboard, trackball, 13 inch libre laptop?

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's the best chip Qualcomm can muster and it just barely beats a MacBook Air in multicore while having 3x the performance cores and running 15C hotter (with fans). That doesn't seem very promising for anyone who was hoping for higher end ARM options.
    It's the same story with the battery life. They're saying it's slightly better than a MacBook Air, but basic physics dictates that you can't get both more performance and more heat out of a chip using less energy, so they're just putting a bigger battery in the thing. This can't scale to higher end laptops because air travel regulations put a hard cap on battery capacity.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The X elite is slightly better than the MBA, but at MBP prices.
      The base MBP gets better battery life and runs W11ARM just fine. The only people buying these will be companies that don't want to migrate to Apple

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I was about to post
    >it's good that Apple will finally have some competition again in the thin+light class
    but I just double-checked and it looks like the Snapdragon laptops will have a fan.
    So they won't even really be competing with the M1 Air from 2020.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're about equal to a 16GB/512 M3 Air in performance but worse in performance/watt

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I do think it's worth noting they have worse single-core performance, and make up for that by having 12 performance cores to the M3's 4
        I have my doubts about whether average consumer laptop workloads will be able to effectively make use of 12 cores in real world use

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Personally I consider fanless laptops to be effectively a different class. If a laptop has a fan then as far as I'm concerned it doesn't really compete with a laptop that doesn't have one.
        I appreciate that this probably isn't a common distinction to draw and that the fan might only turn on in rare situations etc.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Most low power laptops only use their fans when doing some really heavy stuff. Without fans you can cool 3-5W, with a fan in some thin and light you can cool 3-5x the power draw.
          In my opinion there is no disadvantage to have a fan as a reserve.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The m3 chipset uses ~20 watts at full tilt.
            The M4 ipad is like 5mm thick. the entire back panel is an aluminum heat spreader.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The iPad Pro all the way back to the first versions gets extremely hot under prolonged load, to the point that touching the apple logo on the back (which is actually a heatsink) is physically uncomfortable. I don't think that would be acceptable on consumer models, they can get away with it because the thing is really a professional art device

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            M3 macbook air has a fan.
            Whats the sustained power load an Ipad can handle? I bet not more than my mentioned 5W

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I was stupid, macbook air doesn't have a fan.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ironically it's the MacBook with the least air involved.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Windows will tank the performance to half of what was originally advertised.

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody thinks of "Snapdragon" as a brand. It's just one of the ARM SoCs. Stop trying to force this marketing meme.

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Peak cattle enslavement which is why I'm not just certain but know that IQfy will fall for this shit hook, line and sinker.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >no numpad
    it's trash

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >all apple products preloaded with iOS and macOS
    >blocks any lincuck distro from even booting with T2
    >shifts entire industry to ARM
    >x86 and UEFI are fricking dead
    >ARM allows all PC OEMs to have a unique proprietary locked bootloader for each product they release
    >soon ARM stinkpads will come locked to winblows
    >every single ARM laptop will be a unique special snowflake like phones and need a custom bootloader exploit and distro built for it
    >736 arm laptops released each year mean 736 device specific root exploits, 736 special snowflake builds of the loonix kernel, and 736 custom builds of ubuntu
    >multiplied by 521 different distros that's like over a million different distros have to be specifically built to be arm compatible EVERY UPDATE
    >freetards will be lucky to crack 10-20 device bootloaders a year
    >hobby loonix distros wiped out instantly because neckbeard neets cant just release 1 ISO for 23,768 laptops anymore
    >desktops and custom built devices completely extinct without economy of scale manufacturing when corporate purchases shift entirely to ARM
    >only major distros will survive on 2-3 stinkpad models that get cracked each year
    >loonix market share tanks from 1% to 0.00001% like it is on android vs lineage
    >loonix purged from all of technology within this decade
    >Stallman and FSF cancelled
    >freetards all neck themselves

    Say it with me now:
    THANKYOUBASEDAPPLE

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Apple updated the ARM Mac bootloader to make it easier to put Linux on them though. They're not going to support it but they clearly aren't going to try to stop it either

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Apple makes most of its money on the hardware, not the software... Laptops shipping with windows are subsidized by the spyware, bloatware and data mining so they really don't want anyone replacing the data miner.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      worst time period in human history. There is no hope.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >hobby loonix distros wiped out instantly because neckbeard neets cant just release 1 ISO for 23,768 laptops anymore
      THANKYOUBASEDAPPLE

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      cringe

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    cringe
    buy a 10 years old Thinkpad and install gentoo

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >slow performance
      >shit screen
      >heavy
      >loud
      >overheating
      >2 hours of battery at most

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you need to match the target audience, anon. let me explain.

        these outdated t430 are perfect for:
        - IQfyood looks
        - spending 22 hours a day complaining about RAM usage in threads
        - coping

        this is how you meet the needs of the average nocoder on this board

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    First gen = no buy

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    looks like one hell of a machine. giev

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