so are we doomed? I'm a little late to this discourse, but music? books? visual art? is it over bros?

so are we doomed? I'm a little late to this discourse, but music? books? visual art? is it over bros?

This seems like a uniquely present day issue. What has this kind of dead era or nontime resulted in previously?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What has this kind of dead era or nontime resulted in previously?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the 1920s and 1930s had great literature, what are you on about

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Modern technology and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I know i know im moronic, ive shut off critical parts of my brain for as long as ive been alive due to trauma, this is fricking me up though. I know people have been talking about this for about 10 years but this is actually kind of scary. like this is like when I cant think of any new music to write and I'm worried ill never write another song again. but on a global consciousness level. like do people realize what is happening?

    >super late to the party

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Do people realize what is happening?
      No, and that's the sad reality. Most people live their lives in flux, largely concentrating on indirectly perpetuating benign material values and frivolities. Only a select few who are completely out of the limelight understand this notion.
      >Music? books? visual art? Is it over bros?
      Yes. The only thing keeping me afloat is an autodidactic necessity to create my own entertainment. Fundamentally, all contemporary and popular expressions of creativity lack the character they once had. It's not hard to imagine that a curse has veiled this world.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    gen x was a mistake

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Art isn't necessarily dead but modern art is heavily oversaturated and overconsumed, and the people more valid and uncultured.
    People used to cherish art more. You used to have to pay money for CDs, and you would play the frick out of that CD to get value out of it. Now you get millions of songs instantly for free and value it less. You just finished the #1 critically acclaimed album of a respective genre. What's next? Go on to the #2 critically acclaimed album of that respective genre. And it gets less and less valuable with each new album you listen to.
    Creation and publishing are also so much more accessible now. There is a lot of total and utter slop, shit, and grime to sift through.
    You can find some gems on occasions, but they don't come easily.
    I also like to mimic old school styles of consumption as opposed to instant streaming and instant access to everything all at once. It definitely helps.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the people more vapid*. Got autocorrected

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Art isn't necessarily dead but modern art is heavily oversaturated and overconsumed
      This.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I also like to mimic old school styles of consumption as opposed to instant streaming and instant access to everything all at once. It definitely helps.
      This tbh

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there is no art in republics because republics are a tool to turn everything into a market, including artists and whatever those coomers produce

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I also like to mimic old school styles of consumption as opposed to instant streaming and instant access to everything all at once. It definitely helps.

      how you do that? pls understand, I'm a zoom zoom

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Go to a local rock concert.
        Go to a book store.
        Get a record player.
        Go to the movies.
        Leave your house.
        Touch grass.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          have a beer, have two
          make convversation with a stranger
          suck off a troony to completion

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you have disposable income buy physical medias
        Only focus on one media at a time (no simultaneous music + tiktok + youtube + TV combos that all the zoomers do)
        Ignore what professional critics say, ignore public opinion, just pick whatever looks cool from the cover, title, introduction, whatever. Getting unlucky and picking a piece of media you don't like is still a valuable experience. It's not at all a waste of time or money. I find picking something that's bad helps me enjoy and appreciate the higher quality stuff more.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >so are we doomed?
    Most are.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You don't need art. It's just a bunch of particles arranged in a way that you think means something important. It won't free you from suffering.

    https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/BuddhasTeachings/Section0000.html

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Buddhists are so fricking gay. Just go back to being moronic atheists.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        “Rāhula, when anyone feels no shame in telling a deliberate lie, there is no evil, I tell you, he will not do. Thus, Rāhula, you should train yourself, ‘I will not tell a deliberate lie even in jest.’

        “What do you think, Rāhula? What is a mirror for?”

        “For reflection, sir.”

        “In the same way, Rāhula, bodily actions, verbal actions, & mental actions are to be done with repeated reflection.

        “Whenever you want to do an action, Rāhula, you should reflect on it: ‘This action I want to do—would it lead to self-affliction, to the affliction of others, or to both? Would it be an unskillful action, with painful consequences, painful results?’ If, on reflection, you know that it would lead to self-affliction, to the affliction of others, or to both; it would be an unskillful action with painful consequences, painful results, then any action of that sort is absolutely unfit for you to do. But if on reflection you know that it would not cause affliction… it would be a skillful action with pleasant consequences, pleasant results, then any action of that sort is fit for you to do.

        “While you are doing an action, you should reflect on it: ‘This action I am doing—is it leading to self-affliction, to the affliction of others, or to both? Is it an unskillful action, with painful consequences, painful results?’ If, on reflection, you know that it is leading to self-affliction, to affliction of others, or both… you should give it up. But if on reflection you know that it is not… you may continue with it.

        -

        [1] In the case of words that the Tathāgata knows to be unfactual, untrue, unbeneficial [or: not connected with the goal], unendearing & disagreeable to others, he does not say them.

        [2] In the case of words that the Tathāgata knows to be factual, true, unbeneficial, unendearing & disagreeable to others, he does not say them.

        [3] In the case of words that the Tathāgata knows to be factual, true, beneficial, but unendearing & disagreeable to others, he has a sense of the proper time for saying them.

        [4] In the case of words that the Tathāgata knows to be unfactual, untrue, unbeneficial, but endearing & agreeable to others, he does not say them.

        [5] In the case of words that the Tathāgata knows to be factual, true, unbeneficial, but endearing & agreeable to others, he does not say them.

        [6] In the case of words that the Tathāgata knows to be factual, true, beneficial, and endearing & agreeable to others, he has a sense of the proper time for saying them. Why is that? Because the Tathāgata has sympathy for living beings.”

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

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  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No. He said that organisation is still the beating heart of change. It's why he placed emphasis on arts as they can by their nature unite and drive political goals and education, which is why the cultural stagnation spawned from capitalist realism was a vile cancer. He had dislike for the folk who endlessly repeated
    >Le capitalism mukes its own gruvedugger
    Because that doesn't fricking matter, capitalism will never actually fricking kill itself or make revolution just a game of waiting until le perfect moment for revolution to come. It's the gravedigger because it drives the proletariat outside false consciousness by its own bare reality

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mario Vargas Llosa wrote a whole book about this, and despite being an unbelievable writer, it's incredibly frustrating how he doesn't understand that the liberal ideas he advocates are leading to the banalization of culture and the worship of images over ideas.

    In a world where everyone is an individual, sovereign, atomized, there is no need for any unifying culture. When free markets are revered, energy to produce will go to the lowest common denominator. Ease of consumption takes precedent over quality art.

    His book, Notes on the Death of Culture is great. It's a shame he doesn't understand that his political ideology completely leads to what he is so upset about.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Never got why anyone takes Mark Fisher seriously.
    Literally just a washed up hippy boomer whinging about how no one is creating culture nearly as cool or original as they did back in his own day and how this is capitalism's fault somehow.
    Then, despite society generally moving in a progressive direction, he roped himself because he was ultimately just depressed and his entire philosophical opus was nothing more than a reflection of his mental illness.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I just started reading his "The Weird and Eerie:. It has a lot to say in the first chapter about HP Lovecraft. He managed to briefly make mention that capitalism is the strongest entity on earth and it is unheimlich/uncanny or unhomely in how it has taken over the world. I think parts of capitalism are a direct result of israeli financial monopolies (bilderbergs,rothchilds etc), so yes definitely as the German language puts it "unheimlich" and eerie how these israelites have dominated the world via currency and capitalism for so long. Im not saying all of what is currently tied to capitalist meaning as bad or unwanted, just the insertions of monopolists, tyrants and authoritarians over the ages.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >eerie how these israelites have dominated the world via currency and capitalism for so long
        High intelligence, high ethnocentrism, low guilt.
        Placed amongst a population with agents ready to stab their neighbour in the back because it's "the right thing to do".
        Fortunately infrastucture is already crumbling, which will wash away the genetic detritus.

        cmon man. no this is not true.

        Sabbath, Springsteen, Bowie, Pink Floyd, Frank Zappa, Neu, Steely Dan, Lou Reed, Kraftwerk. All those bands released music in 1975. In 1995 quality of popular music was declining, but still a very impressive year with releases by Radiohead, Bjork, Mobb Deep, Aphex Twin, D'Angelo, Sonic Youth, Pavement.

        Now fast forward today and the past 20 years really. No one back then would be blown away by what has come out today. Nothing is transcendent like with the beatles. In fact, quality is declining as consumption is increasing.

        Mkultra'd boomer cattle

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >despite society generally moving in a progressive direction
      kek

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no one is creating culture nearly as cool or original as they did back in his own day and how this is capitalism's fault somehow
      that's correct, but I don't care to read someone whine about it
      art requires personal sacrifice, not literal sacrifice of your person
      he was ngmi

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Music is better than ever, the majority of music I listen to is from the 2020s on with the second most listened to decade the 2010s

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good music (and visual art, maybe a few decades later) ended with the death of Schubert. Everything since has been trinkets in the shadow of monuments.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        True and based, although I would extend it to the death of Stravinsky. Certainly nothing since has been worth listening to.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I feel like you probably shut off movies with subtitles bc brain hurty.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      cmon man. no this is not true.

      Sabbath, Springsteen, Bowie, Pink Floyd, Frank Zappa, Neu, Steely Dan, Lou Reed, Kraftwerk. All those bands released music in 1975. In 1995 quality of popular music was declining, but still a very impressive year with releases by Radiohead, Bjork, Mobb Deep, Aphex Twin, D'Angelo, Sonic Youth, Pavement.

      Now fast forward today and the past 20 years really. No one back then would be blown away by what has come out today. Nothing is transcendent like with the beatles. In fact, quality is declining as consumption is increasing.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Boomer rock was peak music
        Okay boomer

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >strings together a bunch of trite boomer rock to counter argument

          You're not gonna get anywhere listing bands like that

          it's great music. especially if you play instruments.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is an issue of fragmentation more than anything else. Fifty years ago, everyone watched the same three TV channels and heard the same songs on the radio. Options for entertainment today are infinitely more varied, leading to an end of the shared culture of the past. No one is going to have as much influence and impact as the Beatles today because there is no unified audience.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Beatles were a psyop they were never as culturally relevant in their day as is portrayed. It was a band for teen girls to jerk off to. Only people glued to the TV believed in the Beatles. Some say not much has changed when it comes to Black folk and the modern day.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            literally the first "band" every you moron

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >strings together a bunch of trite boomer rock to counter argument

        You're not gonna get anywhere listing bands like that

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >lists a bunch of boring dad rock
        this has to be a troll. you are fine to like that trite but you can't expect everyone to have the same opinions

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Na people still make all of the things, its just algorithms hide them from you. The masses only all want the same few things but their will always be an underground full of everything else.

    I like synthwave and stoner doom metal.
    Both have huge underground scenes pumping out content despite almost nobody listening to it.

    Youtube never recommends it but with lots of searching I found channels with thousands of artists worth of music. Some amazing stuff with only a few thousand views ever. Who cares though I love it and people just keep making it.

    Books are in a bad state but frick it, I am writing a book, thats how the problem gets fixed, people need to write non mainstream books. I feel listening to underground music while I write helps with this.

    https://nightride.fm/

    Here is a free synthwave station with 8 diff genres you can switch between, really good for background while writing.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The dark ages. The dark ages stagnated culturally because Christian monks dictated that only Christian works were worth transcribing, and all new works were just monks circlejerking about their Christian visions of the afterlife. Not only that but much like the modern day Vatican, they kept their libraries closed because they didnt want normies discovering works that went against their beliefs. We are very much in the exact same situation with israeli feminists pushing DEI on everyone.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no mate, there was a massive cataclysm mostly written out of history, lots pf people ied, rome was buried under mud
      according to heinsohn and others they repeated the roman period three times to cover it up

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I am studying a Medieval language in order to read Medieval literature
    I listen to a lot of early music

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    god westoids are beyond moronic

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    its over but one day we'll be so back, that is the cycle of civilizations. For now, enjoy the autumn for what it is

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the rise of AI generated art will totally lift the veil and reveal that art for the past 200 years has been nothing but idolatry. once you get less people to stop seeking meaning and community through this fruitless endeavor, you'll see a mass push towards the competing religions. It will come down to AI/techno-pagan worship or Christianity fundamentally.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      or buddhism which is based around your actions and where they lead

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        many of the e/acc people are explicitly Buddist. there is no fundamental metaphysical disagreement between Buddhists and The New Religion. The actual disagreements start and end at Christianity.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >a volgo longe longeque remotos
    Mass education has only proved that high art is always for the few.

  19. 3 weeks ago
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