So, Cortez was able to conquer the Aztecs because he had a huge Tlaxcalan army supporting him.

So, Cortez was able to conquer the Aztecs because he had a huge Tlaxcalan army supporting him. What happened to the Tlaxcalans afterwards? Were they ever rewarded for their contribution? It seems like its now one of the poorest Mexican states.

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >What happened to the Tlaxcalans afterwards?
    Second half of divide & conquer

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >So, Cortez was able to conquer the Aztecs because he had a huge Tlaxcalan army supporting him.
    MoreTexcocoan than Tlaxalan.
    > What happened to the Tlaxcalans afterward?
    They served as native Auxilia for some other conquests and then died of plague, which conveniently solved the Spanish's problem for them. Regardless, they still occasionally set a few tTaxcalans as colonists here and there.
    By the end of New Spain, the rights of the place had eroded into basically nothing though.
    >Were they ever rewarded for their contribution?
    They were exempt from taxes for quite a while. I may be misremembering but they also got autonomy for a while.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      This guy has it. I know they helped conquer what was left of the Mayans down south.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Did any Tlaxcalans get government and noble positions like Mexica criollos did?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        yes, they formed a large chuck of the new indian nobility that ran the indian republics within the viceroyalty

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        yes, they requested to the King of Castille to be considered of the same status as the castillian nobles. They even dressed in black like the nobles. I think they were granted lots of lands and special jurisdiction of the defeated mexicas. Because of this, they intermarried with other nobles, who were mostly merchants with titles bought thank to their huge ammount of gold and silver. This was where the actual mestizaje happened.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      spbp
      Most were allowed to continue being semi-autonomous. Then the Spanish became more powerful and brought their standard of living to the area, which prompted most Indian nobles to marry into greater society and become assimilated mestizos. They were de-facto hispanicized and mixed by the 18th century but legally recognized as a Spanish vassal until Mexican independence.

      they actually retained special rights and leeway for a while, atleast until spanish culture just naturally replaced the nahua culture cause it just be like that sometimes. Not so lucky for the others tho lol

      Spanish colonial governments preserved Nahuatl as an official language for centuries. It was when Mexico became independent that they standardized Castilian for the entire nation in an effort to achieve uniformity seen in unified states of the time.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tlaxcala was a critical ally, but so was Texcoco, which was arguably even more important, and other cities like Chalco, Xochimilco, Iztapalapa, Hueztozinco, etc helped too.

      also, honestly, i'm not a fan of talking about it in terms of just cities: Xicotencatl I and II, Ixtlilxochitl II etc were specific rulers and officials involved who were influencing events almost as much or in some cases more then Cortes.

      >What happened to Tlaxcala

      They were granted some specific rights within the Spanish colonial system, as other people have said; though in some cases those weren't actually respected even prior to ~1600 by which the special status basically went away entirely.

      Also as and

      As far as I know, Tlaxcallans were involved in the settlement of inland Mexico and the conquest of the Philippines. Some of the places they helped settle include Guadalupe, Nuevo Leon (nowadays part of the Monterrey metropolitan area), Sabinas Hidalgo (also in Nuevo Leon), and Saltillo, Coahuila.

      says keep in mind that the fall of Tenochtitlan just marks the end of the Aztec Empire/it being transfered to Spanish control, there were other states in Mesoamerica or within that empire which didn't cede to Spanish authority yet, so Mexica, Tlaxcalteca, etc forces often then aided/made up the bulk of campaigns against those other Mesoamerican states, also in campaigns up into the US, down into South Americas, even across the world in the philipines, etc

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >So, Cortez was able to conquer the Aztecs because he had a huge dick
    ftfy

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Poorest Mexican state but not poorest state in New Spain

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    As far as I know, Tlaxcallans were involved in the settlement of inland Mexico and the conquest of the Philippines. Some of the places they helped settle include Guadalupe, Nuevo Leon (nowadays part of the Monterrey metropolitan area), Sabinas Hidalgo (also in Nuevo Leon), and Saltillo, Coahuila.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      yes, they requested to the King of Castille to be considered of the same status as the castillian nobles. They even dressed in black like the nobles. I think they were granted lots of lands and special jurisdiction of the defeated mexicas. Because of this, they intermarried with other nobles, who were mostly merchants with titles bought thank to their huge ammount of gold and silver. This was where the actual mestizaje happened.

      Interesting, thanks anons.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >As far as I know, Tlaxcallans were involved [...] the conquest of the Philippines
      sounds kino as shit, like the Covenant happening in real life

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    they actually retained special rights and leeway for a while, atleast until spanish culture just naturally replaced the nahua culture cause it just be like that sometimes. Not so lucky for the others tho lol

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    They instantly became subjects of the Crown and their nobility became automatically castilian nobility. And the current mexican state of Tlaxcala is actually based on the very core of their tribal lands they originally had at that time.
    The equivalent in the US would be like if some tribe helped the English against other tribes and for that, they became part of the peerage in England and they were given their own land. And then, then Americans became independent, they respected their lands, and such territory automatically became a state.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I am Filipino I can attest to the Tlaxcalan participation in the conquest of the Philippines.

    Several towns here are named after places in the Americas.

    Mainly...

    Mexico, Pampanga; after Ciuded de Mexico.

    And California, Bohol; after Baja California.

    https://www.latinobookreview.com/when-tlaxcalan-natives-went-to-war-in-the-philippines--latino-book-review.html

    Mexicans mainly settled in Luzon.

    Forced Migration in the Spanish Pacific World: From Mexico to the Philippines, 1765–1811

    https://www.amazon.com/Forced-Migration-Spanish-Pacific-World/dp/1107136792

    While Zamboanga in Mindanao was settled by Peruvians.

    "SECOND BOOK OF THE SECOND PART OF THE CONQUESTS OF THE FILIPINAS ISLANDS, AND CHRONICLE OF THE RELIGIOUS OF OUR FATHER, ST. AUGUSTINE" (Zamboanga City History) "He (Governor Don Sebastían Hurtado de Corcuera) brought a great reënforcements of soldiers, many of them from Perú, as he made his voyage to Acapulco from that kingdom."

    http://www.zamboanga.com/html/history_1634_moro_attacks.htm

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      damn

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Tlaxcalans fought the Chinese and the Muslims in the Battle of Manila and the Castilian War against Brunei.

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Where the hell do I read about this stuff? Native allies of Spain in the Americas especially Mexico. This is all very interesting

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      will reply in a bit

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Still interested in this if more info is available

  11. 4 months ago
    Radiochan

    Those that survived the wars and plagues generally converted to Catholicism, at least nominally, and their elites were given noble titles under the Crown. Until the Spanish monarchy was overthrown in the 1930s some were still being given stipends, like the descendants of Moctezuma.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    they got to use swords and have horses, they were colonos in the northern states and in other regions of mesoamerica. the fact that the tiny state of Tlaxcala still exists as an independent state in modern Mexico is a testament to its contribution.

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Tlaxcalcuties

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Initially they were awarded with special status, but over time that was eroded.

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