How I survived a year of SHTF in 90s Bosnia No electricity, no food, no running water, no law. In a now legendary forum thread, a user named Selco tells preppers about his experiences and what he and his family did to stay alive.

In September of 2011, a user named selco joined the forums at SurvivalistBoards.com and posted "my shtf expirience-wartime," a thread that would since become legendary in survivalist communities and beyond. In it, Selco details his experience of living in a besieged Bosnian town of 50 to 60k people during the Bosnian War (1992-1995). The siege took away everything modern humans take for granted and tested with extreme brutality Selco's and his community's ability to survive.

But what is so interesting about this war story is that it was told to a group of survivalists (preppers) who had questions – lots of questions. How does barter work and which survival strategies are worthless bunk? How were the social dynamics when everyone realized there was no law? What really happens and what kind of tricks do people actually get up to to get by when faced with, essentially, the apocalypse?

(Update: Selco Begovic released his book SHTF Survival Boot Camp: A Course for Urban and Wilderness Survival during Violent, Off-Grid, & Worst Case Scenarios in 2020.)

The questions SurvivalistBoards had for Selco will be in headers and heavily trimmed; Selco's posts are copypasted as-is, grammar worts and all. Selco's first post:

OK, i wanna share with you my own experience. (be patient with my English, i am from far away )

I am from Bosnia, and as some of you may know it was hell here from 92-95, anyway, for 1 whole year i lived and survived in a city of 50 000- 60 000 residents WITHOUT: electricity, fuel,running water,real food distribution, or distribution of any goods, or any kind of organized law or government.The city was surrounded for 1 year and in that city actually it was SHTF situation.

We did not have organized army or police force, there was groups of defenders, actually anybody who had a gun, fight for his own house and his own family.

Some of us was better prepared, but most of families had food for couple of days, some of us had pistol, few owned AK-47 when all started.

Anyway, after one month or two, gangs started with their nasty job,hospital looked like butchery, police force vanished, 80 percent of hospital staff gone home.
I was lucky, my family was big in that time (15 members in one big house, 5-6 pistols, 3 Kalashnikov s) so we lived and survived, most of us.

I remember US Air force dropped MRE every 10 days (god bless USA for that) as help for surrounded city, it just was not enough.Some of houses had little gardens with some vegetables, most did not.
After three months rumors started abouth first deaths from starvation,deaths from low temperatures, we stripped every door , window frame from abandoned houses for heating, i burned all my own furniture for heating, lot of people died from diseases, mostly from bad water (two of my family members), we used rain water for drink, several times i ate pigeons, once i ate rat.

Money did not worth sh..

we traded things, black market worked, few examples: for 1 corned beef can you could have woman for couple of hours(sounds bad, but it was reality) i remember, most of that womans were just desperate mothers, candles, lighters,antibiotics,fuel,batteries, rifle ammo and of course food, we fight like animals for that.
In situation like that lot of things change, most of people turned to monsters, it was ugly.
Strength was in the numbers, if you were alone in the house, you ve been probably robbed and killed, no matter how well armed.

Anyway, war ended, again thanks to America (and again god bless USA for that)
It is not important witch side had right in that war.

It was almost 20 years ago, but believe me, for me it was just like yesterday, i remember everything, and i think i learned a lot.

Me and my family are prepared now,i am well armed, stocked and educated.
It is not important what going to happen, earthquake,war, tsunami,aliens terrorists, important thing is that something gonna be.

And from my expirience, you can not survive alone, strength is in the numbers, be close with your family, prepare with them, choose your friends wisely and prepare with them too.

And at the end, this is my first post, and my English is not so good, so don t judge me too hard. "

How did you get around safely?

Actually city was broken in something like lot of street communities, in my street (15 or 20 houses) we organized patrols (5 armed man every night) to watch on gangs or enemies.

We traded things between people in that street, 5 miles from my street there was one street with something like organized traders, but it was to dangerous to go there, it worked only during the nighttime (during the day it was sniper alley) and you had more chance to be robed there than to trade, i used that street only 2 times, and belive me, only when i am really need something bad.

What about wood? It looked like there are many forests around your city, why did you have to burn doors and furniture?

First, thank you for your questions, i did not expect this amount of interest for my post.

I ll be glad to share lot of things with you guys beecause i want to learn lot of things from you.

Anyway:

Bosnia have lot of woods and forests when you check map, but i lived in city closer to the croatian border, more to the south, i don t want to mention name of the city, but if you check map, south part of my country closer to croatia is all in rock.

Yes we had some trees in my city, parks, fruit trees, but most of the city is building and houses" but belive me all trees in the city is going to be burned very fast when you dont have eletricity for cooking and heating. After that all what you have is furniture, doors, wooden floors… (and belive me that stuff is burning too fast)

There was almost no car use in town because: most of the roads jammed with ruins, abandoned cars, destroyed houses stuff like that, and petrol was like gold.

If i needed to go somewhere i almost always used night time, never go alone but also never go in big group (2-3 man maybe), always armed, very fast, always in shadows, trough ruins, rarely openly on the street, actually always hiding.

We did not have suburbs and farmers, in suburbs were enemy army, we were surrounded with enemy army, and inside town you did not know who is your enemy.

And yes, there were organized groops of gangs, 10-15 people, sometimes even 50, but also there were normal people like you and me, fathers, granddads, decent folks, who robed and killed, there was not too much good and bad guys, most of us was gray, ready for everything.

Did you prep and what kind of skills did you need?

Of course you can ask.

We use what we had, we was not prepared for that situation,we did not know for prepping.

So you can imagine in some aspects we go back in stone age, actually in most of.

We just used everything what we had, one example, i had in my propan(or butan i am not sure) stowe big bottle, cylinder (i am not sure is that right word), and i did not use it for cooking or heating, it was to valuable, i manage to built (fix) that bottle with my friend so i can attach a hose on some kind of ventil (sorry my english is going down here) so i can fill those disposable lighters,(they are not disposable if you knowhow to) those lighter worth a small fortune.

A Coleman Triton propane stove.

To make story short, somebody bring me empty lighter to me and i fill that lighter with gas, usually i took one can for that or one candle or whatewer he can offer me.

I hope you understand my example, my english is poor on some things.

one more example, i am a registered nurse, in time like that, my knowledge was my thing for trade.

And yes, be trained and educated, in times like that it worth a fortune if you know how to fix things, all your goods is going to be exhausted one day, but your specific knowledge can be your food.

I mean learn to fix things (shoes or people, whatewer you can)

My neighbor use to know how to make some kind of oil for oil lamps( oil in glass, peace of rope) and he was not hungry, he never show me how he made that oil "

i belive he use some tree behind his house and small amount of disel, i don t know.

My point is learn things, people always need somebody who know to fix things.

It was not survival movie, it was ugly, we did what we have to do to survive.

Nobody wins, we just survived, with a lot of bad dreams.

Wasn't it religious, the war?

Sorry man wrong info, that was not Cristian vs Muslim war, it was civil war, with lot of switching between sides.

And sorry i am not to go in to the politics, i dont care to much for that, i am not going into religious stories, i mean i believe in God as higher power, and I am trying to live by his laws, i am not belong to any dogma, Muslim or Christian.

Who was your support group?

My group was only my family, my blood (relatives like uncles, grandmother…), in my street and in my town trips i had some close friends, but my best friends was my family. I never take stranger in my close group.

If you had three months to prepare today, what would you do?

If i have extra three months to prepare?

Hmmm, probably run overseas 🙂

Joke

OK, Now i am very well aware how things can go very bad in very short time so i have food, hygiene, energy etc. supply for 6 months, i live in apartment with some improved security, i have house with shelter in a village some 5 miles from my apartment, in that house also supply for 6 months, that village small community, most of them are my relatives,most of them are prepared (they learned that from war), i have four kind of fire weapons with 2000 bullets for each (sorry, can not go in details, laws are different here for rifles).

I have big garden with that house and some good knowledge about gardening and farming.

I think i have knowledge now to smell trouble, you know when everybody is saying that everything is going to be fine you somehow know that is everything going to fall apart.

I think i have strength to do everything what it takes to keep me and my family alive, because when everything is going to sh.., be sure, you are going to do some bad things to save your kid. You don t want to be hero, you want to survive with your family.

I am nurse, also i am paramedic (US standards)

And i am willing to learn from all of you.

One man survivor, no chance ( OK it is my opinion) no matter how well armed and prepared, at the end you gonna die, i ve seen that, many times. Family groups or closest friend with lot of preparing and lots of different knowledge, i believe that is best.

What items should we stockpile?

Thank you

Well depends, i quess if you stock only one thing you are not going to survive, unless you want to survive like robber, then you need only gun and lot od ammo.

I believe besides ammo food hygiene and energy things (batteries etc.) you need to focus on small things for trade, pocket knives, lighters, flints.

Also LOT of alcohol, kind that can stay long, i mean stuff like whiskey and that, does not important what kind, you can have cheapest kind, it is very good thing for trade in desperate time.

Also lack of hygiene things killed a lot of people, i ve seen that.

You gonna need to have some simple things, like for example lot of garbage bags, i mean a lot, many uses for that, and a LOT of duct tape, many many uses for that.

In case of weapon keep it simple, i mean now i always carry Glock 45 with me, because i like that gun, but it is not usual gun and usual caliber here, so i also have two 7,62 mm TT russian pistols hidden, because almost everybody have that gun here and a lot ammunition.

I don t like Kalashnikov, but here there is that rifle on almost every 3rd house so…

Most of the time i collect my water from roof in 4 big barrels during the war, then cooked to desinfect, we also had river in that town , too poluted but if you can t choose…

I don t think i am expert, i am here to learn.

I quess it depends how far you going to go to survive with your actions, you need to be prepared to do some ugly things.

Oh yes it changed my perspective on life, i know now that bad things can happens, and on more important thing, actually i believe it is most important: I don't anymore believe government and authority, not at all. When they really doing their best to assure you that everything going to be fine, you can be sure that something bad is happening.

Do not just believe, research.

What about the civil war…and the religious fighting? Did gold and silver help much and how did you get the alcohol and other supplies?

Hello to all

It is me again 🙂

I believe in some point this discussion gone wrong way, and no i am not offended, everybody have right for opinion, so here is few of my opinions:

It was a civil war, yes there was a great influence of religion, but somebody mention "what did you do with people of other religion?"

Well in my family there are people with different religious beliefs so what do you mean with that?

I ll try to explain you simple; it was an attackers and defenders, lot of switching sides, civil war. War ended without winners, it ended with truce, thanks mostly to USA.It was the wrong war, wrong reasons. I did not fight for religion or ethnicity, i fought to keep my family and myself alive.

For last 15 years we have peace, we live with people who use to be our enemies, i do not to want to have war and enemy again because ethnicity or religion or any other reason.

Please do not try to generalize anything about that war, there was not good and bad side, we all suffered and we all try to live together again.

And yes every side did bad things, and every side had booth good and bad guys.

I am here for one and only reason- survival, i want to learn, and i can share some useful stuff with you.
I don t think about your religious beliefs, your ethnicity or your politic opinion.

Few words about my city before war, it was a usual Bosnian town, normal life, decent people, schools, theaters, parks, college, airport, crime rate very low, town like most of the smaller towns in USA (i think). I was a young man, just like any of you maybe.

Now very important think: i am not here to discuss about war reasons, or sides, religion or anything similar.

Thanks to the war, in my town was REAL SHTF situation, and we can discuss only about that, only that is important.

You have a lot internet pages, you can learn everything about that war, and you can choose side if you want.
OK that s it.

About survival.

I don t know about other people on this forum, but i have lot of alcohol stacked now.

At the beginning of war tank grenade smashed front wall of small distillery (alcohol factory) close to my house, so we took something around 500 liters of rakia (it is something like bosnian whiskey, i guess, it made from grape, very strong)

It was great stuff for trading, people used alcohol a lot, desperate times i think, we also use it for disinfection.

About hygiene, cups and plates, paper or plastic, you gonna need a LOT, i know, we did not have it at all.

My opinion that hygiene things is more important maybe than food, you can easily shoot pigeon, if you have grandmother she may know some eatable plants on nearest small hill (my experience) but you can not shoot hand sanitizer 🙂

Water purifying pills, all kind of cleaning stuff, sanitizers, lot of soap, bleach, gloves, masks, all disposable, take very good care about first aid training, learn how to treat smaller cuts, burns or even gunshot wound, there is not hospital, even if you found doctor somewhere he probably do not have any meds, or you do not have stuff to pay him.

Learn how and when to use antibiotics and have it a lot.

Belive me with good knowledge and good amount of meds you are gonna be rich.

About gold and silver, yes, me personally gave all my gold for ammunition in that time, but it did not worth too much.

About pets, i did not have it, i did not notice a lot pets in that time, did somebody ate it? I don t know, probably.

About small family, hmm, not good, usualy few smaller families get together in biggest house and stay together, all relatives (my case)

Small family or single man, not good for survive in town SHTF, maybe in wilderness (i don t have expirience in that) Even if you stay low profile, hidden in your house with lot of food etc, sooner or later mob will come, and you have maybe have one or two guns, very hard. I agree with low profile policy, it is very important not to attract people with anything, but when they come, you need to have numbers, people and guns, best people is your family.

About moving trough the city: always night time as i mentioned, never alone, 2-3 man, very fast, never attract with anything, look like everybody else, if most folks look desperate, poor, dirty you need to look same, there is no need that everybody know you have good amount of food, ammo , clean cloths and everything else back at home. Look and act like everybody else.

When somebody attack you or your family then you need to show that you are very ready.

I never walked in big groups,in that time and that situation big group is gang.

Now, this is all my experience, it was then, i did a lot of mistakes, i am not expert, i am here just like any of you, to learn and share.

For example i don t know too much about wilderness survival, i am here to check it.

Oh yes, few things to the Sedoy: my wife is different ethnicity, and she is also a Catholic, i am not, and to answer you : no i am not going to shoot her.

What happened to those who died? Where did people get firewood?

Well, who ever died or get killed in that period, did not get proper funeral.

Folks used used every peace of free land, close to house for burial, sometimes even in the garden, 2-3 city parks turned to graveyards,after war most of them are exhumed and properly buried.

There was not noting like burning bodies or anything similar, as far as i know.

Oh one more interesting thing about fire, some people use to go few miles during the night only to find fire somewhere so they can fire peace of wood and bring it home, and start fire for cooking or heating, lighters and matches was really precious, and most of the folks did not have enough firewood do keep always fire. For most of the people it was constant search for something, fire,wood,food,ammo…

Was salt valuable?

It was valuable yes, but not too much, for example coffee or cigarettes worth-ed much more.

What about cigarettes?

Hm, i had a lot of alcohol as i mentioned before, i traded almost everything without any problem, let me say it like this: consumption of alcohol was probably 10 times more than in normal time.Not to mention cleaning and disinfection.

On the other side you made a very good point, if you have money and time and you have a storage it is probably better to store cigarettes or candles and batteries for trade, or food.

I was not prepper at that time, we did not have time to prepare, few days before SHTF politicians on TV stated that everything is fine, when sky fell down we just take what you can.

Tell us more about cooking and the foods you were able to prepare. Were you concerned about the smell getting around and alerting people that there was food over there?

About cooking, before the SHTF i used in my house electricity for booth, cooking and heating, so when everything started i traded some stuff for some kind of old wood stove, i put it in kitchen ad fix exhaust pipe (right word?) trough hole in wall, i use that for cooking and heating.

During the summer i cooked in my backyard (walled fence, brick, luckily)

Concerning the smell of the food, hm, i ll try to picture situation: no electricity, no running water, sewage off for months, dead bodies in ruined houses, grime and mess, believe me it was very hard to smell something nice.

It was not like in movies, it was ugly,dirty, and smelly.

Yes i had few problems because of cooking, only few, but as i sad before, enough people, properly armed and with will to defend and you can manage most of the problems with that.

Probably situation would be different in wilderness.

I ate mostly some kind of pancakes with local herbs (does not require cooking oil and too much firewood), and of course everything what i could get and trade, rice was good to eat, not too much firewood for that.

I think i had luck, only few times i ate funny things like pigeons.

I always had something to trade, i guess that saved me, and guns of course.

Downtown Grbavica, a suburb of Sarajevo, March of 1996. Sarajevo was also besieged and faced many of the issues described by Selco.

1. Why would the night be safer than daytime? Outside of the obvious of being easier to hide at night, but were the gangs more out during the days? Also, why only small groups of 2-3? What happened to larger groups?

2. Why would you have to go out at night? For instance, where were you going and why?

3. How did you handle the mob situation when they came for you, or your family?

4. You mentioned trading for bullets, etc. How much shooting were you doing during that time and how much ammo did you have, or would like to have had?

5. How were you able to determine who was an enemy and who wasn't? How did you manage to get out there trade with people and when/where?

6. What fortifications did you do to your home and what kind of guard, or protections did you have in place?

7. Finally, how did you avoid snipers? What precautions did people take against them?

First almost nobody were out during the day because of snipers, line of defence was very close, so whatever you have to do, you do it during the night, trade something, look for firewood (i can express how much this was important in town, and hard), looking for anything, check somebody, go to hear news (very very important, lot of people get killed because they go somewhere just to see what happening, or what s new) remember, no news, no radio ,no tv, nothing, rumors fed lot of people.

Already explained, you can stay home and die of hunger and cold, or even infection of some small wound or go out and risk your life, try to find – trade anything useful

I did have situations concerning my house only, it is no need for too much details, we had more fire power, and brick wall.

Also we had something like street watch, people from my street were good organized, in case of gangs, now there were a lot shootings.

There was pretty much shooting in town, i did not have enough weapon at the beginning, one rifle and one pistol (ww2), maybe 100 bullets, later i trade some things for more rifles and ammo, remember i gave car battery for 2 rifles.

How much ammo ?

A LOT, as more as you can.

Most of the time you are not able to determine who is enemy or friend, expect my family and few real friend, everybody else is potential enemy. When your friend must choose between his child s death and your death quess who is going to choose.

Rumors, somebody tells you that some old guy few block away have some cans and he is looking for ammo or whatever, you go there, as i say you are always looking for something. Same some people would came in my street as traders, witha some goods.

There was something like trade street during the night, actualy it was a big ruins of sport center, you can go overthere and look for something or offer something, but it was not controlled by anyone so it was too dangerous.

It was primitive pretty much, brick wall around house,bags of sand on windows and doors, over that bags we used whatever you can, big pieces of metal, stones, inside house we put all kind of stuff on windows, only small openning left for rifle, always 5 members of family ready for fight, one always outside on street hidden.

Stone age situation 🙂

To avoid snipers, we stay home at day, it was not so much night snipers, even during the night we never walked openly on the streets if we can avoid that, always shortcuts, trough ruins, fast and quiet.

What was your bathroom situation? Where did you go? Did you have anything to wipe with? Sorry ask such personal questions, but this is something that I've wondered about in this type of situation.

we used shovel and any piece of land close to house, sounds dirty, and it is dirty, washing with collected rainwater, sometimes go to river (most of the time that was too dangerous) Most of the time we did not have toilet paper, even if i had it, i trade it.

It was a bad situation all the time.

If i can give some advice: first to prep is a weapon and ammo, then everything else, i mean everything, depends how much money and space you have, if you forget something no problem there is always somebody ready for trade, but if you forget guns and ammo then you may not be able to get to trading places.

I do not see big family or group of really( i mean really) good friends as more mouth to feed, i see them as more guns and strength, it is in people nature to adapt.

And keep it simple and use common sense, in the first period weak people vanished, other fight.

Wholesale 50-packs of BIC or offbrand lighters are pretty cheap on Amazon.

Go with small thing, lighters, candles, flints. It is great idea to have fuel generator( electrical generating unit?) but i think is better idea to have 1000 bic lighters. Fuel generator is great, but in shtf scenario in town it is going to attract whole army,1000 bic lighters don t take too much space, cheap, you can always trade it for something.

Real SHTF scenario demands completely change of normal mindset, hard to explain, i ll try through examples.

How easy/hard was it to get weapons AFTER the SHTF and what could you trade for weapon and ammunition (I remember you saying a car battery for a rifle) and where would I go to find the people who trade in weapons?

Hm, you re right, after the war every house here had a weapon from war, and yes police did some actions to take illegal weapon from population, depends from man to man i quess, lot of people find ways to hide their weapon somewhere, just in case.

I also have legal weapon (license), and authority here have some thing they call it "temporary collecting", it is says something like : in a case of unusual event (riots, unrest, etc) government have right to temporary collect all legal weapon, so i keep always in mind that, and i acted like some people.

You know some people have legal weapon for everyday carry( i have glock 45 and taurus 38) but some people with legal weapon also have illegal weapon hidden somewhere just in case SHTF and "temporary collecting"

It is not hard to get weapon in SHTF if you have good stuff for trade, but other thing is important, first days of SHTF is worst in terms of chaos and panic, maybe you not gonna have time to get gun. And to be unarmed in chaos panic and riots is bad.

In my case man needed car battery for radio i think, and he had some extra rifles, so we trade.

What about medical care for people who were shot or became injured?

Wounds was mostly gunshot wounds of course, without specialists and everything else, if wounded manage to find doctor somewhere he had like 30% chances to live, again it is not movie, mostly they died, lot of died even from minor cuts infections, i had antibiotics maybe for 3-4 treatment. Of course for my family only.

Simple things killed people, diarrhea can kill you in a few days without meds and rehidratation, (fluid therapy, IV) especially small kids. Lot of fungal skin deseases,and food poisoning, we could not do too much. Basically we treated diseases mostly with local herbs, and if you had wound, put rakia on it and try to find antibiotics somewhere.

So i was good at fixing wounds in term of emergency help, but longer procedure-bad prognosis.

What i learned? Hygiene again, and a lot of meds, especially antibiotics. You need to learn to treat lot of stuff, go online, finish some training, EMT maybe, first aid etc.

In SHTF things are different, learn how to open IV, when to use certain drug, or antibiotics.

Get your self ANA TE (anti tetanus ) shot injections , snake poison kit, adrenaline kit (allergic reactions, different kinds) thick removal kit, (thick related illness can kill you, learn how to remove thick)…

Get in your prepper storage some reanimation kit (simple one) like small oxygen cylinder, BVM mask etc. It is not really hard to learn to use all of these.

OK let s clear something, of course you can not use anything of this in real world unless you are certified and trained for that ( EMT, nurse, physician ).

But in SHTF nobody ask you for license, just learn and have in your storage big part for medical things.

So to answer question how did i help and treat, most of the time very poor,i help some with resources that i have, i took food or something else for exchange, i was badly prepared for that, now i am what do i need to have.

Did your local currency/money still hold value? Were you still able to use money to purchase items from other people?

No, not really, i mean sometimes you can use foreign money if you had it to buy something, (dollars or German marks) but even in that rare occasion rate was unbelievable for examples 1 can of beans for 30-40 dollars (normal value was maybe 0,50) i quess somebody had connections with outside world, black market you know, so he can earn lot of money.But it was very rare. Trade was main thing to get something.

Local currency crashed very fast, in few weeks or month maybe.

How much space should I keep for alcohol storage? What was security like?

About alcohol first, you right but you are right in booth ways, people need alcohohol more in desperte times then usual, so it is kind of gambling i guess , it is very good item for trading, i never had problems with alcohol trading and having than problems with trading other things.

Also i am thinking about something else, maybe it is better to fill my storage with something less space consuming but still interesting for trade, like batteries, antibiotics etc.

Thing is i had all that alcohol for free, i did not buy it.I don t know about this.

In most of the situations people attack me because they think they are stronger, they did not know for sure what i really had.

About ammunition trade, it depends how much ammo you are going to have, sometimes i trade ammo for food, and in few weeks again food for ammo, but i never never do trade at my home, and never bigger amounts, very few people knowed how much of anything i had in my house.

The point is store as much of anything as you can store (space , money) later during the situation you ll see what is most popular, correction ammo and guns always gonna had 1 place for me, but who knows maybe number 2 for trading gonna be for example masks with filters.

About medical issue , i ll write in my next post what do i have now in my medical part of storage

Defence were very primitive, again we were not prepared, we use what ever we could, windows were broken, roofs mostly damaged from shelling, all windows were blocked with something, sand bags and rocks,every night i blocked my yard gate with junk- rubble from the street and i use old alluminium ladder to get over the wall, when i come back i called somebody from house to get me that ladders so i can move in.

Guy from my street barricaded his house completely, if he go out at night he use a hole that he maded in one room that is connected with neighbor s house, and go trough his (ruined and destroyed) house out, actually he had secret entrance.

It may look weird to say but most secured houses are gone first, of course we had some very nice houses in neighborhood, with walls, dogs, alarms, steel bars on windows, alarms. And you can quess what happened, mob attacked those houses first, some were defended other not, depend how many guns and hands thea have inside.

So i think security is great, but be sure that you keep it low profile, forget about alarm, if you live in town and SHTF you gonna need simple looking non interesting secured house, with lot of guns and ammunitions.

Just keep it low profile and not interesting.

On my apartment door now i have steel door for security reason, but only to keep me trough first short period of chaos, then i am moving out to connect with bigger group of armed people (family and friends) in the country (i hope)

Well in my case migration did not happen because it happen very fast, other army just closed city in ring and that s it, if you ask me where was that army and how we did not seen them coming, the answer is simple, that army was an ally of army of my side and people, and one day we woke up and figured they are enemy now and they are closing all ways out. Politics . It is true, one more side of civil war.

But i heard from others parts of country, and my frends who stayed in villages in the other parts in state, that they have much better situations,countryside had land,corn,wheat, fruit trees, farms etc they had enough food, it was bad, but much better than in city.

I know one thing if we had some way out from the town, we would use it, we did not have it.

What was the situation with banks and stores?

About banks, loans, credit cards. Complete monetary system died for about one year, so nothing works.
It is complex question in many ways, i ll try it to answer it in some future posts, need much more time and much much more space to describe it. Even now almost 20 years later folks are at European court suing banks, because they dont want to admit their savings in banks, lot of different things happened in that period , they changed money, i mean monetary name, they changed it 2-3 times , hyperinflation occurs, lost of paper trails about savings, loans … i remember some people use that situation to get rich, they still rich " 🙂

So i ll try to describe that in separate post.

There was a lot problems with proving people s property after everything, for example: my father had nice apartment and because war he must leave it, after war ended he was at court for about 4 years proving that apartment was his, reasons for that were different, because politics in that time, but also he did not have enough paper work to prove that apartment was his (he did not took papers from apartment when he fled, he had more important things to care)

On the other side during the worst period, people just moved in empty house, and that s it.

I mention rural areas in other post. As far as i remember it was better there.

In that period there is not running vehicle, actually i remember tank at the front line, and Lada Niva ( check it on web) with cut of doors and roof and installed machine gun ( i think it was an old m53) and those two only moved when they fired( they keep it hidden behind ruined houses)

For let me call it "civilian population" there was no moving with vehicles, streets were mostly under rubble and unusable and fuel was too expensive.

Not to draw attention was a big thing, about clothing, there use to be some sort of town defense, it was not like real military,mostly mixed civilian clothes with part of uniforms, different weapon, so no rules.

But as soon as go in to that things and try to talk about two armies, their strength, war crimes, politics i am not gonna like it any more, because people gonna start to choose sides, and i think it is not important for us here.

As i said before there was not organized army, but we all been like soldiers, we had to, most of us carry weapon and try to protect from enemy army and robbers.

Inside the town you did not want to look fancy because somebody shoot you and took your good stuff, you did not want to have fancy rifle, because probably you not gonna find ammo in that caliber and also you are drawing attention.

So let s me try to put it this way: if SHTF tomorrow, i will try to look like most of the people outside, scared, desperate, confused and i ll scream maybe, no fancy looking stuff, i ll not go out in fancy new uniform and yell "I am here, you are finished now looters and robbers" I ll stay low profile, heavily armed and well prepared waiting to see my options, even if i have to go out with all my gear to do things i ll go in night, with best friend or brother. Maybe sounds ridiculous, but from my expirience it works, be wery well prepared, but let nobody outside your house know or see that.

No matter how good is your house security, how good is your weapon, if people see that they have good reason to rob you they probably rob you in town SHTF, it is only matter of time and number of guns.Don t ever give them reason to be interesting for robbing. Stay uninteresting. Now this is my opinion, maybe is not working in different situation.

About robbing grocery store and gas stations, it happened very very fast, as soon as shooting started all valuable things was emptied, there vas some effort of authority to keep it together but everything fall apart in first weeks.

Bernie Carr from ApartmentPrepper was fascinated with the story and had even more questions, and was able to reach Selco.

On the forum where you described your experience of being under siege, you mentioned that you had no electricity or running water. How did you and your family handle the toilet (sanitary) conditions?

We had a small yard and digged holes for toilets, we thought it was temporary so the holes were small but later on we digged bigger ones because we realized this is long and world might have forgotten us. It was not nice but at least we did not do it in the house like many others. Whole area started to smell bad anyway, stench from dead people is worse than a bit poo.

A lot of my readers are women and they would want to know what did the women, children and elderly members of your family do on a day to day basis during the time your city was under attack?

The roles were back to hundred years ago. Before war we were modern society, but as soon as SHTF the women, kids and elder stayed mostly at home. They wanted that, no questions. Happened automatically. Did the washing, cooking, cleaning and taking care of sick people. Just sometimes when shelling was a bit less some women came along to gather herbs or MRE if food aid was coming that time. Not often. We always had some man protecting the home, women, children and elderly.

From all the weapons that you used, what was your preferred weapons for when you went out into the street OR when you were staying at home and why?

Always had the same weapons, TeTe gun / some russian gun and AK47. Simple choice, most ammo for these weapons. We had only a few of those so we exchanged them among us. Did a good job, very reliable weapons. AK47 has good stopping power, just not very good on fully auto. Can make a mess out of a human.

A lot of apartment preppers will probably decide to stay in their homes and this has raised a lot of discussions on the pros and cons of staying in the city. Some people say that by staying in the city, the infrastructure will be restored first, and that those living in the countryside would be attacked by roving bandits. The other side states that those living in the countryside have greater chances of survival as they would be more self-reliant and not dependent on resources from the city. Based on you and your family's experience, which would you prefer and why?

RUN! If you lucky yes, city might be better off but if not it is so much worse. Bug in for a few days until first madness settled and then bug out. Also depends on the weather. Might stay at home in winter and risk getting robbed / murdered instead of going out and freezing to death. Only run if you know where you run to.

Daisy Luther from The Organic Prepper also contacted Selco for an interview. We highlight a couple of the Q&As and you can go to her site if you'd like to read the rest (she focuses on politics and the US situation).

What parallels do you see with events in the US and Bosnia before the SHTF?

US and Yugoslavia (in 1990) on first look do not have anything in common because people are going to say, "The USA cannot have anything similar to any socialistic system."

This is true but only on first look.

Yugoslavia had somewhere around 20-22 million citizens, six republics (similar to states in the US), 3-4 main religions, and many national groups (ethnicity).

The official state policy was to build Yugoslavian "nationality" (from the end of WW1) and through different ways that effort was successful until the 90s.

We were "something big, united through differences with a strong connection to make something big."

And then those differences were used to make chaos.

In the late 80s and beginning of the 90s (when democracy came) the problems started and ended up in series of wars and cases of complete collapse.

Things that I experienced in my case prior to SHTF, and things that you might recognize:

  • Things that make differences between people are more and more problematic (race, religion, political opinion).
  • Polarization is getting obviously stronger.
  • People want to come to your country, but they do not want to "assimilate" or contribute to the greater good. They want to preserve their way of life which is often absolutely contradictory to the way that your country (society) works.
  • The political way of solving those problems often fails, because, in essence, those problems are hard to solve in a democratic way (in the spirit of democracy).
  • Your freedoms are "shrinking" as a result of that.
  • Calls for "radical solutions" for the problems are stronger and stronger.
  • The media is absolutely working a dirty job, and it is hard to find out what is the truth anymore.
  • Suddenly people and events from history are "brought back" so people can judge and argue about it, to write history again, to build myths sometimes.

Anything else to add?

I have seen many people killed, a lot of women and children too, civilians. A huge number of people suffered, were hungry and cold and were terrified through that period.

But I can count on one hand the dead or hungry politicians in that time.

Things were good for them through that period. Some of them ended up even richer. A lot of them are still powerful in the same or different parties, and are still talking about "their people" or " causes" or "fear from others".

It is the way it works.

If you want even more Selco, check out his book SHTF Survival Boot Camp: A Course for Urban and Wilderness Survival during Violent, Off-Grid, & Worst Case Scenarios.

Selco Begovic

I lived and survived in a besieged Bosnian city during the Bosnian War (1992-1995).

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  1. I can attest to most things Selco said, as I'm from the same place. Some of the details in the article above are either wild guesses or simply incorrect. Selco is not from the town of Livno, as that town was never under any kind of siege. Livno had uninterrupted supply of goods from Croatia (as a matter of fact, it was home of regular Croatian military in Bosnia). He is from one of the "ethnic pockets" in Bosnia-Herzegovina. Selco is a Bosniak (muslim) married to a Croatian (catholic), which kind of put him at odds with both "his kind" and "his wife's kind", so his choice in all that madness was to stay a good man and take care of his family. Many families in Bosnia and Herzegovina were "mixed" (Bosniaks - muslims, Croats - catholic Christians, Serbs - orthodox Christians), and they had it worst as they were often not welcome into any of the aforementioned communities. Selco is fair and realistic, and refuses to categorize himself, and he focuses on the original topic, which is quite admirable and I respect him for that. He is 100% correct when it comes to major indicators of an incoming conflict. BTW, one of those is not quite applicable to Bosnia-Herzegovina ("People want to come to your country, but they do not want to “assimilate” or contribute"). All 3 ethnic groups in B-H are autochtonous, so I he is probably referring to Albanians moving into areas of southern Serbia. This is pretty far from Bosnia-Herzegovina, so I am assuming he is taking about Yugoslavia in general, not just Bosnia-Herzegovina, and he is undoubtedly correct.
    In any case, his is doing a good job describing the situation, and the moves one has to make to survive.
    I went through similar ordeal, and my own rules are more or less same as his:
    1 - Protection (guns, ammo, fortification)
    2 - Food/water (won't last long without it)
    3 - Meds (lack of these will deplete your stockpile of #1 and #2, as you'll get desperate and will trade things you don't want to trade)
    4 - Luxuries (at worst of times, someone will trade things you need for a little bit of luxury, eg. alcohol, smokes...etc).
    Hope you're well Selco 🙂
    Regards.
    Pashche.

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    • I think “People want to come to your country, but they do not want to “assimilate” or contribute” is referring to the US present day.

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    • Probably resin from pine trees, plus some dilutent. Back in the days, it used to be extracted everywhere, in my country (not Balkans); it still is today, but less. You shave a small portion of the bark, then insert a v shaped metal blade,, to channel the resin into a container. Back in the days, they used a small pottery vase to collect the resin, later they moved on to small plastic bags. It's a (very) slow process, though, not like with maple syrup (it's resin; very dense).
      Btw, you can also make candles with lard (porc fat), like in old days

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    • Fat- every animal and person has it. There will be plenty of fat oil in America. Mix it all together with something like sap so it burns slower and some kind of motor oil or diesel to cover the delicious smell.

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    • I have been working out 3-4 hours a day. I am in my physical prime and I have also been finishing my workout up with 1 hour of yoga. I have also stayed indoors as much as possible to ensure my skin is as white as possible. I have taken classes on manicures and self care, and I shave my entire body twice a week to ensure my skin is silky smooth. My baths are full of vitamins and minerals to give me healthy and ripe skin.

      When SHTF I plan to offer my ass up to the most powerful PoC warlord that takes over my community. I have already made detailed maps of all of the non PoC people in my community with detailed notes on their attitudes toward PoC and past evils towards PoC . This also includes a psychological profile of what makes them the most emotionally vulnerable and willing to cave under pressure. There are also small notes that could be used for blackmail involving past crimes, sexual deviancies, and other things I have convinced people to confide in me.

      I do think my strongest point will be my healthy body though. I believe in times of brutal warfare some of the most powerful warlords will enjoy the endorphin rush of constantly thrusting themselves into my poopyhole. I will be a sexual toy for them, and I will also provide invaluable intelligence. As I grow older I will only become more valuable by posing as an elderly man in need of help. Then at night I will signal to enable to the PoC hordes to overrun the fleeing white villagers. I believe if I do this I will be the safest, as i am obviously willing to give the most of myself.

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  2. How are you guys doing preparing for the upcoming inflation apocalypse? Growing your own food? Stocking up? Etc.

    I've planted 30 fruit trees this year, in addition I've been raising rabbits, turkeys and chickens. I had 3 garden beds this year and other potted plants where I was quite successful and managed to can and freeze around 70 pounds of produce.

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  3. If it got that bad in the U.S., China and/or Russia would move in. This country has too much value. The more likely scenario is that there will be an uprising against the corporate establishment and/or government in the urban sectors. It will be short-lived. If it ever gets to the point where the rural areas are affected, we will be speaking Chinese or Russian.

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    • More likely- to much free money causes inflation and then the stores get robbed to the point they stop stocking shelfs and then ebt cards stop working and the cities turn into war against eachother and the food banks will be over run- it will be horrible. Just look at last year- food lines full of 50k cars. The city people will be stealing tvs at and clothes at first but when them food stamp cards stop working -'s

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  4. Some takeaways I think are important:
    >Hygiene might be no1. priority
    >lone wolves die
    >knowledge can be traded for food
    >know how to fix things/people
    >night time is safe (sniper alley in Bosnia)
    >big family is best, very close friends is ok but never take strangers
    There's lots more to takeaway as well.

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    • Selco is great, I read this years ago and found it fascinating. The Yugoslavian war seems like the most likely form an ethnic war in modern Europe would take, although it would be much more chaotic in Western Europe as there are far more minorities. One thing though is immigrants are probably the best prepared for this situation as many come from war zones or non functioning states where you have to rely on yourself and they often have large extended families that live with them. Myself I have 3 kids but they are too young to help at the minute and two are girls so that makes them pretty useless.

      Selco is probably what first got me interested in survivalism years ago, I'm still interested but I ignore a lot of stuff now as it's mostly larping. Honestly you're better off trying not to worry about things too much as in most of scenarios there is little you can do anyway, but some of the best advice is stay fit and healthy, get some guns legally, have tight knit big family/close friends, learn how to fix things and if possible have a property in the country either as or as well as main residence, although a lot of this is easier said than done

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      • Wow, your daughters are "pretty useless" because they are Girls?! News flash buddy, I've always been a much better tracker and more accurate shot than my siss. Raise your girls to be fit and confident, and they'll be warriors to watch your back. It's on You as their Father to provide the training and guidance to help them be self sufficient and a valuable asset in home defense.

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        • After society collapses, no one is going to care about your western "tough girl" attitude you absorbed from a movie character you liked. Natural order will fall into place very quickly, and you'll be depending on others to protect yourself from gangs who will see you as a prize to keep chained in their basement.
          So you've trained? Great. You have a leg up on women who have never touched a firearm. But history is full of women who were skilled with weapons. Most of them became war brides.

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  5. I made a copypasta so you can spread awareness to your own community. If you improve it then please post it in replies.
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    Gold and silver are memes. When shit hits the fan you need bullets, food, antibiotics, clean water, tradable small items like cheap lighters, one or more practical skills, and most importantly family and/or community. Read about Selco, he was in an actual SHTF situation for a year during the Bosnian war. Everything collapsed instantly, no police, hospitals, nothing. Roaming gangs of people looking for food and firewood. Back to the stone age. Anyways near the end of hisQ&A (written <2014) someone asks about patterns leading up to SHTF:
    -Things that make differences between people are more and more problematic (race, religion, political opinion).
    -Polarization is getting obviously stronger.
    -People want to come to your country, but they do not want to “assimilate” or contribute to the greater good. They want to preserve their way of life which is often absolutely contradictory to the way that your country (society) works.
    -The political way of solving those problems often fails, because, in essence, those problems are hard to solve in a democratic way (in the spirit of democracy).
    -Your freedoms are “shrinking” as a result of that.
    -Calls for “radical solutions“ for the problems are stronger and stronger.
    -The media is absolutely working a dirty job, and it is hard to find out what is the truth anymore.
    -Suddenly people and events from history are “brought back” so people can judge and argue about it, to write history again, to build myths sometimes.
    Full interview: https://lulz.com/surviving-a-year-of-shtf-in-90s-bosnia-war-selco-forum-thread-6265/

    This could be the most important read of your lifetime.

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  6. >SHTF
    >anon eats an orange
    >leaves the peel out
    >has antibiotic penicillin mold
    Are you folks stockpiling ... knowledge?

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  7. Buying/building an AR and ammo for it is out of my budget at this point, what's my best option? I was thinking of buying a bolt action for hunting and a pistol for self-defense. What's the best caliber(s) that would be easy to find ammo for right now?
    My parents have a hundred acres and I plan on going there if shtf, so hopefully I'd be avoiding anything close up.

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    • Eat rice and beans, work extra hours, whore your poopyhole to rich gays, whatever, just get the money for an AR-15 and ammo. Anything else is cope.

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    • You can find cheap AR15’s. $500ish. 223/5.56 is the most common rifle round. 9mm is the most common pistol round but it’s not stocked in most places right now. I’d say instead of a bolt action look at shotguns, some are very cheap but reliable and can still be effective for self defense.

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    • A 12 gauge pump is cheap, versatile, and menacing enough to get the job done. Stock up on slugs, buckshot, and small game shells.

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    • I'm a contract shooter (animal controller) in Australia , I have shot deer to rats and everything in-between with subsonic .22 ! (under speed of sound )
      inside 60m dead ! shot placement is key !!
      (1 ) get a good accurate/reliable .22 rifle
      ammo is cheap, they are quiet and light to carry, a bolt or a semi auto would work
      (2) 223/556 bolt or semi good to 300m for hunting/sniping/self defence
      (3) 12g shot gun (self defence)
      thermal night vision scope is a " must have" !! on the rifles torch with open sights on the shot gun , try and get guns that have iron sites as back up just in case power is an issue , Best of luck !!
      (youtube ) nick patrizi I posted some vids for work purposes only

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    • 22lr. Extremely inexpensive ammo and you could carry 10000 rounds on your person. I have rifles and pistols. Ammo is plentiful and if you practice you could kill anything with one.

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  8. Just having a well with a hand pump solves 80% of the problems from this interview. If you have an electric well, consider attaching a hand pump as a back up.

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  9. the only thing that matters in a true civil war type scenario is being part of a powerful tribal group. it does not good to stockpile weapons on your own.

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    • Explicitly false, as demonstrated in Selco's narrative and hundreds of others like his. You won't be part of a roving band or marauders or race warriors. You will be holed up with whatever family and friends you have.

      You are a coping noguns

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  10. Can´t find the pic, sorry. But I´ll paste the last part, which might give some a "Lost call" to ponder what´s going on in the US.

    >I have seen many people killed, a lot of women and children too, civilians. A huge number of people suffered, were hungry and cold and were terrified through that period.
    >But I can count on one hand the dead or hungry politicians in that time.
    >Things were good for them through that period. Some of them ended up even richer. A lot of them are still powerful in the same or different parties, and are still talking about “their people” or “ causes” or “fear from others”.
    >It is the way it works.

    Don´t let them divide you, your family is you kin and blood. And your friends and neighbours won´t give a damn about shit when gangs and paramilitary groups start raiding your place.

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  11. Gents, reading this, I have some thoughts I want to share with you.

    In this post, the author reiterates time and time again that family and groups are important, and that lone wolves cannot survive.

    We’ve been stripped down to individual status over the last couple of decades. I think the biggest weakening we have is the destruction of families. Those that look to destroy us want to deal with lone wolves, not groups.

    Thoughts on this?

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    • Selco, the OP of all these prepping post said it explicitly on the last part. Women and children getting killed is not entertaining, this does still happens here in the banana republics with feral scrotes being scrotes and it spreads a lot in social media, only recently my government implemented a sanction and banning to those who spread that, but that still happens just because of scrotes and their drugwars.

      Now, the US has a huge lot more guns than us. Shit will be dire if they are let loose, racism and stereotyping is a surviving mechanism that has been actively suppressed by western media. I can´t stand watching my country news because of the blatant bullshit they feed everyone.

      Luckily for me, I have many very close friends, ex-police force family/friends and we had been prepping a little since many years ago because of what happened to Venezuela.

      Trust me, having a group to rely on it´s very important.

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      • >Shit will be dire if they are let loose
        Whites will flee to better places, garden gnomes will quietly accompany them and pretend not to be degenerate. Blacks will be stuck in their cities. Hispanics will split down the middle, the ones who are "white" will side with whites, the cartelos will side with scrotes.

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        • Yeah, we call them indios and cholos here, it´s an insult since everybody wants to be castizo or blanco. All drugdealers and drug related poopyholes are indigenous looking and they murder a lot here, fuck them.

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          • I actually think there are tons of good Indios but they don't seem to ever confront their shittier side. They're very much like scrotes in this respect. The only Mexican I ever trusted as a sis was brown as fuck and had that Aztec head. But the majority seem to be a racial underclass incapable of escaping their trajectory.

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            • As far as historical revisionism cares, they all descend from raped indias and other tribes that submitted during Conquista.

              All the warriors and strong blooded poopyholes were killed off, this is all bullshit considering they still kill each other off and pratice blood rituals without realizing it.

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              • Yeah man I know, it's a shame really. They need direction. Their own blanco upper class let them down all across central and south america. It's far worse than with our natives, which while still mostly punch-rummed and methed out, have a sense of purpose and community. Your indios still have their places and communities, but they're kept in literal medieval situations and the marxists are going after them constantly, sounds good to their ears too.

  12. I have a couple hundred ounces of silver. about a hundred pounds of food. freezer fully stocked, water purifiers, a geiger counter, various weapons, and even some gold panning equipment and a metal detector. I got 150 pounds of dog food at all times, I cycle them out. I keep printed out maps to various safehouses in my car. I either don't put stickers on my car, or I periodically change them out. I know how to make alcohol and candles and have mass-produced both when I wanted to.

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  13. Key takeaways, if youre stuck in a city:
    1: bullets will be a currency
    2: liquor will also be a currency

    Dry/canned food, a distillery of some kind for water and alcohol (can be found online for $50-$75), bullets and firearms seem like a bare minimum.
    Beyond that medical supplies, iodine, maybe salt is prob a good bet.
    A diesel vehicle too, can run on garbage practically and can be used as a generator when you get to where you want to go.

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  14. Many of the zoomers think im out of my mind and have some PTSD for having always about 120 cans of various canned food locked away, but yeah they may be right buy canned food Anons

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      • It is, no matter how young you were at the time.
        no matter if you are liberal or conservative

        its like a 6th sense in the back of your neck, that feeling that shit could go sideways in a day and people you went to school,military service and supermarket together with are in a trench across yours....

        Bosnia was a clusterfuck, we burn down a mosque, thez take out a church, next week we shuffle Serbs+Croats VS Muslims and all the other variations, and it just kept rolling, for years...

        I was a friend with a bosnian serb, and kids would be jealous of him, in elementary school, beating on him, because he had a father, who was alive..

        34 kids in the classroom, 3 have their father alive... those kind of scars dont fade away.

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  15. That was an interesting reading, thanks anon.
    I recall I heard something similar long ago, a reading by poet Nedzad Maksumic, which can't find translated in english.
    It doesn't go into prepper details, but he said it was of the most importance for the communities to bury the deads proper, for both religious / ritual reasons but also to avoid a stray dog going around with a severed hand in his mouth.
    Thus there are many aspects why one would avoid at all costs such events to happen.

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  16. Fun fact for you
    The US state dept with cooperation with the CiA and the SAS planned to capture Karadzic by having a scrote wear a gorrila suit and run in front ot Karadzices convoy, the Gorrila outfit would serve to confuse his guards enough to where the SAS could jump out in the awaiting ambush.
    Im not making this up, we knew what they were planning

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    • lol, those crafty bastards. Glowscrote hijinks are quite entertaining. I wonder what their other tomfoolery and skylarkings looks like.

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      • it's actually very idiotic as there are 0 monkey species in the balkans (apart from the ablanian goatmokey which is very specific looking) so that guy would have just gotten shot on sight

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        • must be hard for you, to keep losing territory to monkeys to be raped by turks for 500 years, to wake up in the morning and look at the mirror and see a orthodox turk

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          • all you have is personal attacks memepeder you have no facts to support your bullshit

            pack it up and go lube up your goat Elmir

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  17. The remark on the politicians in the end is most interesting. I wonder how to prevent them from surviving the chaos with maximum efficiency.

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  18. MArxist scum Zizek says that Serbs and Bosnians stopped stereotypical jokes about each other. While in bad taste, this acted as a pressure release valve for the parties and actually worked as some kind of sisly banter.

    After they are made to stop that "because it was racist" their tensions increased.

    Drawing the parallels yet?

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  19. We can cannibalize our wealth for another generation. Hopefully I'll be dead before the zoomers start running things. That's when shit is really going to hit the fan.

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  20. I was thinking about this while stoned watching Vinland Saga last night. The Vikings give up on attacking London before they even start a seige because the logistics of maintaining it against a walled city that size with a 6-month stockpile etc.

    But my point being: I'd wager no city on the planet has that kind of contingency in place. Food would be gone in a matter of a couple weeks, tops. If the economy hits the shitter, so many freaking people are going to die of thirst or starvation, myself included.

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    • >I'd wager no city on the planet has that kind of contingency in place. Food would be gone in a matter of a couple weeks, tops.
      Look up "Just In Time" logistics. Food would be gone in hours. Not days.

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      • Yeah this is the case. My cousin used to work for Heinz and she'd tell me about how at any given moment the US is like one shipment of potatoes away from not having french fries. This made me laugh my ass off but for other things it's kinda scary.

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        • Supermarkets are dependant on receiving daily deliveries from their Distribution Centers.
          It might be worthwhile finding out the address of the DC your supermarket is being supplied from. Most of the time it is printed on pallets or boxes the store receives. Alternately most supermarkets have a suppliers/vendors page that might give you an address.
          If you happen to live close to it when it happens then you know which building to loot first.

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  21. Can someone redpill me on Slobodon?

    Obviously the Kosovo campaign served western/globalist purposes and the propaganda from Soros and the like was very strong, but it seemed like Milosevic was a genocidal piece of shit. However some Serbs still love and mourn him. Whats the deal Serbs?

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            • what did a single kyle do? what can 500 trained professional fanatic murderers do? even the lowest number is scary af, what did like 5 of them do to new york, would you be willing to let 500 al quaeda mercs into your country? probably yes because it's a muzzie shithole, and I'm not replying to memeflags anymore

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              • you trying to derail, stick to the freaking topic your paint meme said 20k when its freaking 500 to 6k, why are you cunts conjuring up numbers like that, how many do you think got butchered in jasenovac ?

      • Fuck. So Srebrenica was about Milosevic protecting Serbia from CIA funded mercs. Then when Serbia was in ruin the UN and Dyncorp come in to rape, pillage the resources.

        How is Milosevic viewed in Serbia today? Is your govt cucked by UN?

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        • he is hated for other reasons, like being a thieving piece of shit and tolerating the mafia too much
          srebrenica was a "demilitarized" zone that was never actually demilitarized, so the muzzies conducted raids from there and when they killed 300 serbs on orthodox christmas serbs decided to test the artilery on srebrenica and the surounding hills, almost all the victims were runing away from the city, but in such chaos the serbs found it difficult to see what's a jihadi what's a civillian so the indiscriminately rekt the whole place, not even a war crime just a bunch of collateral damage that could have been avoided mostly if the civillians just stayed home.

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          • First of half of this is false, yes it was a DMZ from where muslim extremists led by Oric conducted their raids against surrounding Serb Villages, every time the serb QRFs were called in Oric and his bunch would fall back to Srebrenica and disghuise themselves as local populice, after that the french came in with their general with the UN declaring Serbrenica as a safe zone, this only served Oric to make even more brutal attack against the serbs and then to fall back to Srebrenica, yes a village with 300 serbs was exterminated, but thats only 1/10th of how many serbs they killed throighout the years. Mladic was getting annoyed at this bullshit and sent in men to take Srebrenica and stop Oric and his bullshit, after who went into hiding, blending in with the local population, suffice to say the local serbian commander who has had family directly killed by Oric and his mob was angry and ordered to take the local populiation to see who is actually a member of Orices death squad and who is not, and the rest is history

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      • fuck off dumb serb, enjoy anothe 20% loss to your country in upcoming years with your brainwashed scrotebraination

        how bout this

        YES there was mujahideen, and? bosnia supposed to do what when surrounded stripped of arms and no army?
        YES there also was a genocide in srbenica

        fuck off simpleton serbscrote

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      • please tell me you a larp and not a real serb
        if you are a real serb you are a nation of animal
        worse than sub saharan scrotes
        Vukovar, is Vukovar muslim?
        you dont have to anwser me
        i dont need it
        you need to answer it
        yuo must understand that if ever someone
        will present arguments that 20th century europe
        was not civilized, but barbarian, they take your behavior in Vukovar as the best indicator for his thesis
        now fuck off and commit suicide

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    • >albanian muslim refugees from the civil war in Albania migrate into christian Serbia by the millions
      >albanian muslim terrorists start killing serbian cops and soldiers by the hundreds and demand their own sovereign muslim state on serbian soil (the Kosovo)
      >Serbian government cracks down on the muslim 'refugee' insurrection
      >USA and NATO intervene on behalf of the 'refugees' and start bombarding targets in Serbia until everything is rubble, mainly bridges, schools and hospitals since all government installations are protected by russian anti air
      >NATO also bombards serbian cities with shells made out of nuclear waste, several thousand tons of it, a war crime

      Same thing (((USA))) did in Syria, they sided with radical muslims against the non-muslims

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      • >NATO also bombards serbian cities with shells made out of nuclear waste
        You have anything to back that up?
        >no
        DU is more expensive than steel but has virtually no advantages (and in fact disadvantages due to its extreme weight) in any application but armor protection and armor piercing projectiles.
        You don't fire armor piercing projectiles at civilians, though, because they are not hard targets, and no, most, even heavily constructed, building do not warrant DU rounds.
        You fell for propaganda.

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    • Slobodan Milosevic was a fantastic leader, loved by the people of Yugoslavia. The reason you're made to think badly of him is just western propaganda. He was unfairly tried in a kangaroo court in The Hague. He was an innocent man, dragged through the mud by western elites.

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  22. OK the one thing that matter, perhaps more than any other, is this: get organized. You see what the guy Selco keeps saying. You can have the nicest homestead whatever, but when things become desperate people will take it from you. You need to be organized. My FIL in Sarajevo was an electrical engineer and was, despite being older, forced back into the army (Federacija not RS) as part of a combat engineering unit. It turned out this was a saving grace, because military personnel got some supplies while civilians got to starve in the freezing cold. You need a crew.

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  23. >Things that I experienced in my case prior to SHTF, and things that you might recognize:

    >Things that make differences between people are more and more problematic (race, religion, political opinion).

    >Polarization is getting obviously stronger.

    >People want to come to your country, but they do not want to “assimilate” or contribute to the greater good. They want to preserve their way of life which is often absolutely contradictory to the way that your country (society) works.

    >The political way of solving those problems often fails, because, in essence, those problems are hard to solve in a democratic way (in the spirit of democracy).

    >Your freedoms are “shrinking” as a result of that.

    >Calls for “radical solutions“ for the problems are stronger and stronger.

    >The media is absolutely working a dirty job, and it is hard to find out what is the truth anymore.

    >Suddenly people and events from history are “brought back” so people can judge and argue about it, to write history again, to build myths sometimes.

    We are at the last phase. Every man and his dog is talking about history now. "Will Caesar cross the Rubicon?"

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  24. If only Americans knew that any tribalism that could trigger a civil war or societal collapse is manufactured by corrupt politicians and foreign interests.
    Forget about prepping and fighting your fellow American. Make nooses and head to public offices and take out the root of the problem.

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    • >Forget about prepping and fighting your fellow American. Make nooses and head to public offices and take out the root of the problem.
      If there is one thing to know about Americans its that we will only try the correct solution after exhausting literally every other option.

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  25. I go to burning man every year
    no water or electricity
    super hot naked bitches
    good food
    acid
    mushrooms
    raves
    No cell phones, so no one can bother
    Sleep whenever, get up whenever
    Ride bike around
    This should be fun as fun as hell

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    • All brought in on hundreds of RVs and trucks, sourced from working infrastructure and supply chains, and just enough supplies to last for the event. Imagine everyone in Burning Man being told at the start, all supplied up, that they would not be able to leave for three months. People would start minute-one with the butchering.

      lulz at "no water".

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  26. My guess is that when food trucks stop coming to the cities everyone will get in their cars and try to escape the cities. So the disease will spread and thats how the violence will really begin. I live in Florida and when storms hit us the traffic stretches hundreds of miles. If there are no food deliveries there will probably be no gas either so anyone living within sight of the 95 corridor should be armed.

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  27. >spastics unironically thing they will survive by "prepping " and reading articles in a SHTF when the world population is at an all time maximum and in conditions of absolute demographic breakdown

    [email protected] lifes scrotes.
    You're better off just repenting and not being afraid to die and not giving a fuck further. If it's over it's over and God will decide if you have the fortune or misfortune of having to live under the Antichrist's rule

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    • We live in very different countries with very different circumstances. Applying the level which you'd be bonked to our level of being bonked is completely different. I'm Berlin born, now US Citizen. I've lived all over the world. Nothing is like America. Nothing.

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  28. the usa decided to bomb serbia and yugoslavia because it was becoming a strong regional power. oh no, cant have that. in fact madeleine albright is a war profiteer and christian hating garden gnome. she was responsible for what the america did to the serbs.

    >bombed cultural sites
    >economic infrastructure
    >hospitals

    the bombing was illegal and even madeleine albright admitted it in 2013.

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  29. If i were american and shit hits the fan I'd be worried about all those who can have access to killer drones and other top US army assets which can easily erase any armed opposition.

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        • The frequency of microwave ovens is close to the frequency used by drones for communications. Focus the microwave energy onto the drone and it can't communicate.

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        • I'm going to guess that it disrupts the signal between the drone and the person controlling it. He'd need to boost the frequency of the radiation the microwave usually puts out to something in the single gigahertz range though. Not sure exactly how to do that, but I think it could potentially be done by somehow increasing whatever oscillates in a microwave to generate radiation. You can jam EM signals by shooting a bunch of other, unrelated signals which are roughly of the same frequency at it. They will interfere with the transmission and knock the thing offline for long enough for the drone to fall out of the sky.

          Now that I think of it, drones may actually be controlled by radiowaves, which means he'd have to decrease the frequency, but it would probably be a lot easier than increasing it. Be wary though, anon

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  30. Or you follow step 1 and arm yourself to the teeth so when the (((serbians))) come for you. You can defend yourself and your country.

    Serbia took every possible means of self defense from the Bosnians when Yugoslavia split.

    Do not give up your guns

    Ever

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  31. A lot of this planning looks like reductions. Like instead of a normal diet I will eat hardtack under a bush for 12 months. What about expansion planning? Not necessarily raiding but what do we exploit first when the police and military are irrelevant? No social order is an opportunity.

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  32. I went to aleppo syria in 2016 with the church and I stayed in a house in western aleppo for a while, everything was made from makeshift stuff, home electricity was provided by car batteries plugged to led stripes, the internet as well, due to the continuos blackouts, I remember I fuckload of petrol generators. So I was thinking those things like car batteries, leds, wires and soldering stuff is good to have it hoarded so you can overcome some serious problems

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  33. generally like this guy said ,putting obvious like food and heat aside
    the MOST IMPORTANT things if shit hits the fan
    >people you can trust (mostly siss. sorry but ur close females might sell you out to save themselves)
    >lighters, cigs, coffee, alcohol, drugs, medicine
    this shit will become high value

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  34. Just finished reading. Good info. My grandparents immigrated to the U.S. from Serbia after WWII. I was small, but I remember the war in the Balkans on TV, although I was to young to understand why my grandparents were so concerned about it.

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    • >lol I do have about 200 bic lighters stashed away becuase of this guy.
      you will be in safety and many women will flock to you lighter king

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    • When I first saw this, back at the begining of Covid, I took my prep and rounded out in an entirely different direction.
      Not mentioned in his post, but I also bought some sharpening stones for knives. Nothing more worthless than dull knives or scissors.

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    • They're so small and cheap and you could easily go through handfuls of them in a trade. I could see you unironically running out with only 200.

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      • Even matches are good to have. Lighter fluid. Regular health and hygiene supplies. Dollar Tree is a prepper's best friend. Q tips, cotton balls, Band-Aids, hydrogen peroxide, triple antibiotic ointment, cortisone cream, toothpaste and tooth brushes, baking soda, epsom salt, pedialyte, aspirin, tylenol, ibuprofen. Corn starch, and corn starch powder. Baby wipes.

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        • >scrotes can't organize. They kill each other for living on different streets in the same city

          This always cracks me up to think about....nogs doming each other for "turf" that they don't even legally own.

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          • "turf" is "the customers living in that area that buy your drugs", since those customers don't want to travel long distances to get their drugs. You freaking idiot. Making it about "garden gnomes / mortgages / property / lol" isn't the dynamic. JFC.

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  35. This is a really specific scenario though because they were blockaded. If they weren’t blockaded everyone would have abandoned their homes in the first month and showed up somewhere as refugees. It was an arena.

    The SHTF will be a lot more peaceful than people think, all the drunks drug addicts and criminals will kill each other in the first month of WROL and then you’ll just not hear from the rest of the world again. Unprepped normies can’t walk more than 50 miles so if you’re not in a city area you’ll be fine. In fact most of your normie neighbours will travel TO the city/urban centres to seek help. People will be terrified, urban folk will not suddenly want to randomly wander into the countryside with no plan or destination. If they do they’ll get 20 miles tops.

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    • Also, you’ll be amazed how many people just lay down and die without normal life’s routine. Maybe they don’t intend to at first, but the average reaction will be
      >power goes out
      >run to shop, grab crisps
      >snack and dehydrate for a few days while hiding in your house
      >get more and more tired
      >lay down in bed for a few more days
      >by the time you’re desperate enough to go and actually raid people, you’re weak and dehydrated as fuck
      >become actual zombie

      It’s thinking that help is coming that will kill the most people. Easy precautions or drastic actions won’t be taken until it’s far too late.

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      • Help will unironically come to white people though. There are tons of resources in the US available to feed local populations, just in my county area there are many farms that are capable of feeding the entire state if need be. Those farms are going to need laborers, workers to maintain infrastructure, and protection from outside forces and there are many many white people capable and willing to do it. It’s only certain groups that will suffer severely just like we saw in Louisiana during Katrina, the US isn’t like Bosnia or the Baltic’s, we have much much more resources.

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    • >People will be terrified, urban folk will not suddenly want to randomly wander into the countryside with no plan or destination. If they do they’ll get 20 miles tops.

      I've often thought of the effect of a few burned out minivans riddled with bullet holes and a couple normie heads on sticks would have placed on a rural road. Never underestimate the power of fear, especially fear of the unknown. This is especially true of normies who aren't even remotely close to being mentally prepared for a SHTF situation.

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  36. You guys really swallowed the Koolaid and demanded seconds, didn't you? What did you miss? So, so very much it would be hard to explain it all and even then would be like casting pearls before swine. Let me tell you a few basic differences that hurt your garden gnome masters more than looking at their ugly faces in a mirror.

    1. If the USA falls, there will be no world police. (You are too ashamed to have over looked this one to understand the rest so stop reading right now.)

    2. All countries depending on the US dollar will have to switch to other currencies to do business.

    3. The USA is not on the verge of collapse. It could survive an explicit attempt to murder all whites in diverse areas and still play world police for a few years to decades.

    4. 20 years from now when the white Boomers are dead and the darkies reign over most of the USA you will see a more Brazil like structure of government.

    5. Nobody is seriously taking the fight to the garden gnomes and or Central Bankers, so you have nothing to fear. If this one changes for any reason you will have a lot to fear.

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    • this post isn't aging well.
      garden gnomes will fly away to china and israel at the first sign of trouble, nogs will kill each other in the streets

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  37. New Babylonian electoral shitsinks are vibrant and diverse, everywhere else is not — and even the urban areas are self-sorting ethnographically by class (invariably pale leaning). Militarily trivial to put down even in a bad scenario (eg CA water importer, electricity import)

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  38. If you don’t actually have useful skills that you have developed over the years you can assume you’ll die or be a corn beef whore. Reading some gay internet post isn’t going to help you.

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    • Accurate. If you are currently useless, at least pick something useful and start learning about it. You can learn to do basically anything from youtube, and even a few weeks or a month of study and practice could give you a huge leg up in a SHTF scenario.

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  39. Toiletpaper.
    Soap.
    Desinfection grade alcohol.
    But the most important is if you are alone, you wont make it without explosive traps.

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    • Yeah, the one thing I got out of this that I didn't really knkw is that in a SHTF scenario loners are doomed. You can't be awake 24/7. Don't be a loner.

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      • You can. You just need the ability to produce, set correctly and replenish explosive traps.
        After a couple of blastholes are visible at an entrance they eventually leave you alone.

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            • These all around different perimeter zones tied to audible and visual alarms in the house, at which point you stop freaking, showering, sleeping, etc.

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              • There's even better options, solar powered. Check ranching websites. Of course, if you haven't booby trapped your perimeter, you're going to be sad. It's not enough to alert, you have to be able to negate, or severely slow down a threat.

              • >There's even better options, solar powered. Check ranching websites. Of course, if you haven't booby trapped your perimeter, you're going to be sad. It's not enough to alert, you have to be able to negate, or severely slow down a threat.

                Of course. Ideally I would love to have the land and money to build earthworks like pic related also.

  40. He was in a blockaded city, that's why it was so bad. They can't blockade the suburbs or rural areas, it's too big. Even in the worst case scenario it wouldn't get that bad for people living outside of cities.

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      • >big hordes from the cities
        I don't know why you guys think this will happen. Why don't they do it right now? Because it's easier to rob their neighbor. City folk will destroy themselves, not work together. Besides, like I said, it's too big. It would take them decades to scavenge all over the U.S. They'd all be dead before the end of the first year.

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      • SHTF in Sarajevo in a different way than in other
        parts,I think.
        It's in a valley,and was under siege by artilery from
        the surrounding mountains.One of the worst cases scenarios in war.

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  41. I already have a plan.

    >Buy a tent
    >Set up tent in woods
    >Buy water bottles in bulk. Can buy 2 years worth for $200
    >Buy non-perishable food in bulk
    >Can get 1 years worth of food that doesn't taste good for about $400
    >Bury it near me in water-tight containers I already own
    >Use my remaining money to buy burgers and shit as I want them to mix up the bland food I"m eating

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    • I knew a Bosnian refugee who came to town in the third grade. I was the only person he talked to for two years so I already kind of know the day to day details he’s talking about here (and I’ve read this or something similar here before). I’m interested by his opinion on how the sides really didn’t matter and it was just people trying not to get killed by strangers. Gives me hope that Antifa will eat its own first as predicted.

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    • Breed rabbits for a sustainable and QUIET meat source. I’ve read his story many times, and that has always stuck out the most.

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      • Yes, this. I've also stockpiled feed corn in storage containers. Bring deer, squirrels, birds to you, instead of having to go hunt them. I also started a worm farm for fishing.

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  42. I have determined, to make a recharge station for batteries as a number one easy thing to do now. It will be useful for me to save money and in disaster. What do you think?

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    • >make a recharge station for batteries
      Here in the USA most electronics are built for non-rechargeable batteries. Rechargeable batteries will mechanically fit in those electronics but their voltages are a little less than the non-rechargable ones. So even if you let out for rent your rechargeable batteries, they probably won't power your customers' electronics.
      Check the voltage differences here: https://www.rankred.com/different-types-of-batteries/

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  43. The difference i think is that America has a shit load of guns laying around and a lot of different ethnic groups that control different areas of the region. So i think in the long run its scrotes and spics along with liberal Whites that will have the toughest time during a situation like this, while the rural Whites already have a ton of nature and land to sustain themselves and their communities. I think what will happen is a hyper faction event where different groups will break down into smaller groups divided along racial and religious lines.

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    • Thanks for bump. However, every house in bosnia had gun too easy

      >In case of weapon keep it simple, i mean now i always carry Glock 45 with me, because i like that gun, but it is not usual gun and usual caliber here, so i also have two 7,62 mm TT russian pistols hidden, because almost everybody have that gun here and a lot ammunition.

      >I don t like Kalashnikov, but here there is that rifle on almost every 3rd house so…

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    • The US is exactly like Bosnia just on a bigger scale. Bosnia was full of guns and mixed population. Whatever happened in Bosnia you can expect it ramped up to 11 in the US. OP was not a scrote this time.

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      • America isnt a slav nation with slavic principles, you have to understand the mindset of different people and the thoughts that revolve in their mind. I know for a fact where I am we all have each others back if shit happened. I would only be more worried if i lived next to a shit load of scrotes or near serious urban areas.

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          • Im not talking about a neighborhood watch, im talking about having a family and knowing the other families in the area and being on defending terms with them. There will be some spots of the US that will look like Bosnia, and there will be other spots that will look like warring clan states.

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            • Yeah it was made up of those types of people who blocked off their streets and defended from invaders. Of course the rootless multicultural areas will destroy themselves quickly.

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        • >America isnt a slav nation with slavic principles, you have to understand the mindset of different people and the thoughts that revolve in their mind. I know for a fact where I am we all have each others back if shit happened.

          Kek
          You wished you were in a shit slav nation like Bosnia.
          You either say something worthy or you stay silent, you garden gnome slave.

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      • Difference, again, is that Bosnia is a small country with little nature and nowhere to escape. The US is massive and you can live off the land here.

        The cities will be like Bosnia.

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        • how far outside the city do you think you'd realistically have to live to be safe from the urban marauders the first few months (before they die of starvation). I know every small town will have it's tweakers etc.. you have to deal with regardless, but like how far in miles would a city of say 150k scrotes expand its criminal activities if shit really hit the fan?

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          • When covid and BLM started, back in spring, they raided my friend's very bougie boatyard. They came armed and in number. Stole every marine battery, lots of tools, just looted the place for anything they thought was valuable they could load in the truck. It's about 25 miles from the city, but on the coast in a fancy neighborhood, so a pretty easy target. He showed up armed, but outnumbered, and the rest of his family is too old to be of much use. After living through that, he bought a bunch of rock salt rounds for his shotgun and installed some walls and electric gates, enough to keep all but the most determined raiding party looking for an easier target.

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            • damn, that's freaking frightening. I live within view of one of the main highways in/out of the city a few miles out and worry that my proximity to such a logical / easy route would make me a target of opportunity for raiding parties coming from the city. Looking for something imposing in a back-road kind of area that ppl would be freaked out by and choose an easier target.

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              • You do need to relocate. Isolation is great, but not the only factor. Can work against you. You must view your potential purchase with an eye to defensible perimeter.

              • East. It's in Connecticut. NYC is the nearest major metro, but it's still ~2 hours to midtown Manhattan with traffic, closer to 1 without.

            • Shit,dude,that's terrible.
              Who were those people,I mean that wasn't some random looting,that seems organized.
              What happened later,did police do anything?

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              • >The police in this country
                >Do anything

                A police officer in this country isn't going to do anything that might threaten his paycheck, including his job.

              • Nah. Police didn't do shit. He called them and issued a report, but BNBG in very common truck with no plates could be anyone. They got outta there. I think it was pretty random. There's a sign for the boatyard on the street. Think they just took a ride along the coast and figured they'd rob oceanfront stuff since the city was rioting and small town cops from the surrounding area were all called into deal with that.

        • It wasn't "Bosnia" though, it was one republic of Yugoslavia, a rather massive country, and there are few places where you can "live off the land" better than BiH which has huge rivers, mountains, forests, etc. The reason wars drag on for so long there is precisely because you can hide and survive anywhere.

          I am married to a mixed Bosnian Serb-Croatian girl (intermarriage was common in Yugoslavia) and have been going there for twenty years now, since shortly after the war. My FIL was in the siege of Sarajevo from the first day to the last, but my wife only spent the first few months in it before being transported out as a refugee.

          Pic related, Saborna Crkva Sarajevo, where we were married.

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    • Gangs from the cities will disperse to the countryside and be marauders.
      They'll go after the easy targets - loners, small families - and there are millions of them filling up the rural spaces between cities.

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          • It's dead empty out here. Good luck crossing the Great Basin for a podunk mining town to raid, even if you just follow the roads. Good luck trying to penetrate the mountain ranges with any efficacy.
            City ferals will eat themselves before they actually bother to hit the rurals, shaving their numbers significantly. The terrain allows long line of sight, there's little resources in-between (to cityfolk, anyway)

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            • Ok, interesting take.
              I still think you're only a tiny irrelevent minority though. Like whites in South Africa.

              We shall see when the time comes.

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              • You have to remember that the millennials and zoomers can't even find their way across town without GPS. They can't feed themselves without Uber and fast food. They don't like conflict, they are obsessed with idpol which promotes infighting, many of them are unhealthy and would die without their insulin or other medicine. People like to think that it's just the white ones that are like this but the non-white ones are actually even worse. City folk are the least threatening group of people on the planet.

                I would be scared if a Mexican cartel invaded my town, but they usually leave people alone if you don't mess with them.

              • >City folk are the least threatening group of people on the planet.

                Only once you remove them from the city and they don't have the sense of security of being in a mob of 100+ of their fellow scrotes.

              • It's true mobs are dangerous. But if you have the will, they are also easy to disperse. In that state they are like confused and frightened animals. Barely in control of their actions. Real danger would send them running. If the police were allowed to hurt those BLM mobs they would have ended those riots in five minutes.

              • The scrotes are mostly in the South, the Mexicans actually have functional family units and understand what rural living entails (largely), the scrotes are similar, and the liberals will just roll over and die. Despite the fact that there's fewer rural folk, we're in highly advantageous geographical positions, know the terrain, and are generally better able to use force multipliers. Not to say some small towns won't get blitzed, big agricultural farm zones are right bonked. But once the highways start looking like the Highway of Death and become impassible, the rurals are that much safer for it.

              • More difficult to defend the land while making use of it due to large area, weak points in irrigation, prime access via state and interstate highway systems, dispersed homes, that sort of thing. The ag zones just outside the 'burbs are going to have the hardest time much like SA farm murders. But I'm sure there's a healthy amount of good ol' boys in the hills that'll come down to help defend.

              • Ah, gotcha. Rural is where I am trying to move to after graduation....20-30 minutes away from the nearest major city on a rural two-lane road. A big part of the reason areas like this don't have problems when cities riot and burn is that it takes effort to get out there, and if you are in a Great Plains state you can see people coming from miles away. You are probably right about maintaining large-scale agriculture during such times, but a smaller garden near the farmhouse is doable.

              • Why would small towns get blitzed. They are the hunters and farmers. They can live off the land and aren’t near the big city idiots

              • All it would take is 3 overturned trucks in the right places and anything east of spokompton would be relatively white washed for the forseeable future.

      • >Gangs from the cities will disperse to the countryside
        >Thinks small towns won’t block entrance highways to their communities.
        NGMI

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        • > this clown thinks marauding gangs need highways and electric scooters to rob and rape
          Oh sweet summer child!

          America is truly a nation of naive children.

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          • i live in a semi-rural/exurban area; i keep some chickens on my wooded property and some others nearby do. there's several dozen head of cattle a half-mile up the road, and maybe 10-20 percent of people have some sort of working garden.

            this is the kind of place that starving urbanites would see as a cornucopia that could feed hundreds for an indefinite period, and they are terribly wrong. if the trucks aren't running and the grid is more than a bit spotty, these areas will suffer terribly to hunger, thirst, privation, disease, exposure, et al. sure, not as bad as living in a highrise in a major city, but not terribly different in terms of provisions. there are still some people practicing canning food and have some sort of stockpile, but just because someone likes to live a little bit out in the sticks and commute to the city does *not* mean they have the resources, skills, or motivation to be any sort of prepared for truly awful times.

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            • Well, sucks to be you and waste your money on a semi rural exosuburban, or whatever the fuck you called it, property. You screwed up, anon. Not everybody made the same mistake as you.

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              • my post wasn't some sour grapes thing; it was only intended to highlight how far too many people think they'll be "fine" in "SHTF" because they live 25 minutes from the closest wal-mart instead of 5, because they're armed, or any number of reasons. even in quite a small town of 10k or fewer residents, what proportion of calories consumed are from agribusiness compared to locally-grown or even self-grown? how many people obtain their drinking water from municipal sources, how many from a private well operating on the municipal grid, how many from a manually-operable private well, and how many can run a (terribly loud) generator or a bank of car batteries to power their well?

                true, the country is large enough to have plenty of places that are very defensible from conventional attack; there's generally a gradient between arable and very advantageous for defense, though.

      • No they won’t. I mean, they will try, but they’ll give themselves 500 opportunities to be shot on the way out of the suburbs. There’s a reason criminality gets naturally selected out. They’ll all be dead within a month.

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        • >There’s a reason criminality gets naturally selected out. They’ll all be dead within a month.

          Especially scrotes. When whites commit crimes, they tend to think it through a bit more thanks to naturally higher IQ. They ask questions like, "Where are the exits?" "What is the police response time?" "Is the risk even worth the reward?". The thought process of your average scrote is, "I need money....I'll go rob the corner store." And that's it.

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          • Had armed robbery at gas station near me this morning. The suspect shot and killed the clerk. This mastermind wore FLIP-FLOPS for the commission of said robbery/homicide! Can you guess the race of the suspect?

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    • That's actually what happened in Yugoslavia,just substitute spics and scrotes with Serbs and Croats and Muslims.
      Yugo war was eventualy stopped by America,but if SHTF in US,there's nobody to stop it,if army fractions and takes sides,that would be a long war.

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      • Canadian led UN forces cross over into Detroit. Within 24 hours an entire division is detroyed by basketball americans armed with 9mm handguns and machetes.

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      • >Yugo war was eventually stopped by America,
        Also started by America, partially.
        USA no longer feared Soviet reprisal and wanted fresh territory for "Capitalism" (aka financialization) and so stoked ethnic rivalry into a flame.

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