taking Jesus seriously

What would happen if a christian took the gospel + Pauline writings seriously? I dont mean "literally" : I mean 100% serious and applied it all to the thoroughly level.
forgiving EVERY evil, donating ALL to the poor, being extremely amiable, peaceful, humble, non-proud, unselfish. Like Ned Flanders hooked up on holiness coke.
I hate it when christians think taking the Bible seriously means adhering to a strict 6-days creationism, a flat earth, or whatever exegetical shenanigans. Instead of taking literally all the parts about caring for the poor, forgiving criminals, being long-suffering and full of loving-kindness

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's not taking it seriously though, but literally.

    I take it you haven't done a full read-through.
    "Giving all to the poor" is framed as being "perfect"
    and Jesus says "be ye perfect"
    Taking it seriously you can't believe that Jesus is expecting literal perfection from his followers when they repeatedly mess up and he forgives them. Instead he's teaching doctrines and ideals.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Taking it seriously you can't believe that Jesus is expecting literal perfection from his followers when they repeatedly mess up and he forgives them
      Jesus can still tell someone to be perfect and forgive them when they error. Why does forgiveness mean he doesn't actually mean "be ye perfect"?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        He does mean it. But it's impossible to live it. It's an ideal.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >But it's impossible to live it
          What is impossible about giving away all your money?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nothing. But there are better ways to help.
            >Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            thats because he had already given away all money. he wasnt keeping it for himself and being a miser.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Does not matter.

            >And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

            >Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.

            >let the weak say, “I am strong.”

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            we are both correct, then, it so seems.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You've found a better way to help than what Jesus himself said?
            And as for that verse, Peter admits he doesn't have any money (while I'm sure you do), but even if he did, you can both give away your money and heal people.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I found the way that Christ told us how to heal.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Right, but giving away your money and healing aren't mutually exclusive, so why don't you do both?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I never said not to, why are you so fixated on that. I just stated that there is a better way of helping someone, as revealed in Scripture. So much so that those asking for money will have more money then they could possibly know what to do with.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I never said not to, why are you so fixated on that
            So I take it you've given away all your money? If not then my point remains.
            >I just stated that there is a better way of helping someone
            Again, you say that as if healing is mutually exclusive with giving away your money. It's not "a better way", you can do both.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >how
            By assumption. Scripture states over and over you will recieve what you believe, regardless of worldly appearances

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      One of the first things you realize when you take the gospel seriously is that the teachings of Jesus are literally impossible to follow by design, since he is perfect and God and humans are sinful wicked creatures that could never hope in a million years to measure up to God's standards.
      But that's okay because Jesus (who is God) picks up humanity's tab and pays the bartender by performing a sacrifice of infinite value (namely God, himself) to satisfy the debts of all Mankind ever, in perpetuity.
      Being a utopian ideal, Jesus' teachings are something we should always aspire to but recognize that we can never achieve (in fact, believing that you could would be equating yourself to God, which would be highly blasphemous), and the salient point of Jesus' message is that your failings will always be forgiven if you simply accept Christ's sacrifice and ask him for help.

      All I see everytime someone tells christians to be more humble, more pacifist, more merciful, to donate all their belongings to the poor etc are excuses to not do so. What even is the point of calling yourself christian if you refuse to follow the teachings of Christ? Stop making up excuses.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because they don’t actually believe deep down. It’s all LARPing for the dumbest purposes you can possibly imagine.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I agree with you, OP. We are all called to be perfect, meaning being free of all mortal and venial sins, and this very topic highlights the serious danger of heresies such as sola scriptura, which lead men to follow the secret wishes of their hearts under the cover of a subjective interpretation of the word. What God asks of us is everything, our lives, and with His grace that sacrifice is entirely possible.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Those people are called monks

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I wish I could just isekai myself to the era of the "desert fathers", the heroic and savage spiritual athletes of early christian-era Egypt and Syria

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    One of the first things you realize when you take the gospel seriously is that the teachings of Jesus are literally impossible to follow by design, since he is perfect and God and humans are sinful wicked creatures that could never hope in a million years to measure up to God's standards.
    But that's okay because Jesus (who is God) picks up humanity's tab and pays the bartender by performing a sacrifice of infinite value (namely God, himself) to satisfy the debts of all Mankind ever, in perpetuity.
    Being a utopian ideal, Jesus' teachings are something we should always aspire to but recognize that we can never achieve (in fact, believing that you could would be equating yourself to God, which would be highly blasphemous), and the salient point of Jesus' message is that your failings will always be forgiven if you simply accept Christ's sacrifice and ask him for help.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >is that the teachings of Jesus are literally impossible to follow by design
      What's a teaching of Jesus that's impossible to follow?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        All I see everytime someone tells christians to be more humble, more pacifist, more merciful, to donate all their belongings to the poor etc are excuses to not do so. What even is the point of calling yourself christian if you refuse to follow the teachings of Christ? Stop making up excuses.

        They’re not impossible, your life would just suck dick

        Well "be ye perfect" is already an impossible commandment despite its simplicity. There's also things like "going through the eye of a needle" and "just walk on water bro its no big deal". Have you successfully crossed the surface of a lake without sinking? I haven't.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Keep making up excuses. You're a fake LARPer, probably dragged to christianity for the "aesthetic".

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Anon there are at least half a dozen direct orders to give your money to the poor and one directly about not saving any money for yourself.
          He doesn’t actually demand his followers walk on water, he does demand that you give away all your money to the poor, sick, homeless and thieves

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            But he doesn't demand it of everybody, he demands it of the people he knows won't do it. The disciples followed him before Jesus started saying to give up all your belongings, he mainly directed that towards the explicitly wealthy and weak-willed and worldly-minded. He conspicuously does NOT ask the Centurion at Caparnaum whos servant he heals to give up all his belongings and follow him because he already has faith. He also does this for the Samaritan woman at the well, the Phoenician woman on the way back from Tyre and Sidon, the raising of Jairus' daughter, the tax collectors and prostitutes who host and feast him.
            He directs his followers to do what is impossible for them specifically, and what is impossible HE accomplishes himself, as exemplified most obviously by his crucifixion and resurrection, because certainly no bald human sacrifice could ransom the souls of all humanity past, present, and future, let alone provide witness to his Godhood by conquering death.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            All of his disciples abandoned their entire life and families to follow Jesus. Every single one.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            even Judas? I know he did what he did but- was he living a double life or kept up with the others?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            even Judas? I know he did what he did but- was he living a double life or kept up with the others?

            Judas was the keeper and manager of the disciples' funds

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            He was also a thief.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            Judas was the keeper and manager of the disciples' funds

            even Judas? I know he did what he did but- was he living a double life or kept up with the others?

            Some gnostics say judas was actually just doing his part of God's plan.
            >if Jesus knew he was going to be a bad guybetray him, and yet chose him as a disciple and kept him in the group ,wouldnt that just make Jesus a troll? there must be a deeper meaning. otherwise it seems he let him join just to "kick him out" like a bully at a school-yard playing group

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That is because only someone who truly believes God exists and rewards goodness would dare do it. This is how you know someone truly believes, if they do what God asks. You're too worried about the "what if it was all for nothing at the end?" Because you don't truly believe, you have many doubts and are just dipping the toes and testing the waters.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They’re not impossible, your life would just suck dick

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      The bible never says Jesus was perfect. If he was perfect then nothing he did would have any merit, its the fact that he was a human in the flesh what make his deeds so impressive. He proved that it was possible, he always said that what he did, everyone could do, he even said that people could do works even better than him.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The Bible says multiple times he was without sin, never sinned, was sinless, etc.
        Whatever man you are a self-aggrandizing hypocrite.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Exactly. He never sinned despite being a human. If he was perfect then OF COURSE he wouldn't have sinned. Why would a perfect being being perfect be impressive? It's the fact that a man born from a woman did it that makes it impressive.
          >Whatever man you are a self-aggrandizing hypocrite.
          This is the go-to insult of a Christian when asked to obey Jesus. What makes me a hypocrite? Im not saying I am perfect. Bug being perfect should be our goal. Both OT and NT asks us to be perfect and holy. If you sin then try again, and keep trying until you make it, if you die without making it God will know you tried with all your might and will count that as perfection.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're saying Jesus wasn't perfect.
            You don't believe the Bible. And it always loops around to self-righteous holier-than-thou religion.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Show me where the bible says Jesus was perfect.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            being without sin or flaw doesn't count, in your eyes?
            what do you think "perfect" means?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Perfect means being incapable of sinning. It was not impossible for Jesus to sin, he just managed to not do it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Perfect means being incapable of sinning.
            surely you realize this is a novel definition?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Your argument is that Jesus didn't sin because he was a perfect God incapable of sinning, so it is impossible for us to not sin because we are not perfect Gods. But Jesus was just as capable of sinning and susceptible to temptation as the rest of us. He just managed to beat temptations and not sin.

            What merit would He have to beat Satan's temptations if he was incapable of falling for them? Being offered all the kingdoms of the world wouldn't have been a temptation to him if he was God. Because why would God ever fall for Satan? He owns the whole universe. It was because he was capable of falling for it and saying yes to them that he has merit for rejecting them.

            He told his disciples that they were capable of doing greater works than him. That what he did was not impossible for others to do. He even said with enough faith they could move mountains. it wasnt his God status that allowed him to do miracles and not sin, it was his faith. And anyone can have faith.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            ...?
            >What merit would He have to beat Satan's temptations if he was incapable of falling for them? Being offered all the kingdoms of the world wouldn't have been a temptation to him if he was God. Because why would God ever fall for Satan? He owns the whole universe. It was because he was capable of falling for it and saying yes to them that he has merit for rejecting them.

            Have you considered that Satan was just... wrong? and that he misjudged Jesus?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wrong about what?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            about jesus duh

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What do you mean? Most church people help out especially in the community and give a lot. You just know because you don't do community service

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lmao whatever you think a lot is in this context it’s nowhere near the selflessness, self denial and generosity that Jesus actually expects of his followers. I went to church anon these people keep most of their after tax money and spend it on themselves and their immediate family.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Remember that Jesus said to do your good deeds in secret without anyone noticing.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You would live in a shit neighborhood, give away all your money to beggars, the poor and any muggers who approach you. It is literally the best course of action according to Jesus

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >You would live in a shit neighborhood, give away all your money to beggars, the poor and any muggers who approach you. It is literally the best course of action according to Jesus

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Jesus was homeless and Elijah was homeless. Two people the bible says God took to heaven.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus was part alien. Not only half, but since his mother was born of a virgin as well apparently, he was at least 3/4th alien. Very high spiritual vibrations. Could walk on water after disappearing and probably meditating for a couple decades or whatever. Not even Tibetan monks who attain the rainbow body are that quick in their spiritual development.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You'd see the world and everyone who is in it, as it is. You'd become ostracized by the world and the church (like Christ was) for preaching the truth

    >On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

    >I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

    >But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by His grace, was pleased to reveal His Son in me so that I might preach Him among the Gentiles

    >So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.

    >Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

    >Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

    >Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Instead of taking literally all the parts about caring for the poor, forgiving criminals, being long-suffering and full of loving-kindness
    That's already what mainstream Christianity already does.

    Of course any community is going to have a few burning members and a whole bunch of lukewarm ones, but I can't think of any major denomination that doesn't put a huge emphasis on corporal works of mercy. The problem if anything is that they overdo it to the detriment of the even more important spiritual works.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Lol the guy on the left looks like a Onions Wojak / Cobson, typical early Christard; and Jesus looks like a chud

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Taking the Bible seriously means being clinically moronic and/or lying to yourself, usually it's both

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus didnt actually came to save people, he just came to give them awareness. John 15:22 :" If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin." Jesus acts as a fruit of the tree of knowledge, he gives the awareness of good and evil. But your post is right op, there is no true christian.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I am that Christian, and let me tell you it’s process. You can never be perfect, I know that, but I will try to be the best version of me I can be so that I can bring a perfect offering for the Lord. I have a wife and child, and I do have a duty to provide for them, but the first chance I get I will donate all that I have to the poor and go about a wandering spreading the Gospel, praying without ceasing as I trek across the United States.
    It’s hard to follow His statutes, and every day I am reminded how much I need him. Personally, I kind of dislike my wife, but I am staying in the marriage due to Christ. I try to treat her as if I love her. I tip very generously, and give as much as I can spare to the poor. I stopped spending money on myself, not altogether, but I have forsaken a lot of what I thought were needs (gym membership, eating in restaurants, buying clothes).
    Forgiveness is something I try to practice every time, and it’s hard, but I haven’t felt peace like this in a long, long time.
    Anyways, I am going to take communion on Sunday, so please, my dear ones, pray for me.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      based american desert preacher

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    One man's serious is flat earth creationism, while another's is giving away all of your possessions, while another's is megachurches.

    The problem with modern christianity is that it's the result of 2,000 years of the overcomplication of a relatively simple message, compounded by the fact that there's 2,000 years of cultural nuance that's been lost, conflated, and misunderstood. The original texts are lost and even the oldest fragments we have are near impossible to understand due to the nuance in the language itself. Reading the scripture through the lens we have today will produce a much different result than what we would have had 2,000 years ago. This seems to be remedied by having various translations and interpretations, but it's all an attempt to interpret the perfect word of God; it will be imperfect because it's being interpreted by fallible beings.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >donating ALL to the poor
    It's Jesus not Diogenes

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, that's why Diogenes is more based

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, that's why Diogenes is more based

      *rich young ruler intensifies*

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, that's why Diogenes is more based

      [...]
      *rich young ruler intensifies*

      based american desert preacher

      If Our Lord is both fully human and fully God, then it means that he went through the same stages of life, exposed to the same weaknesses and temptations, but at a different level than us. He went into the desert, fasted and spoke directly with the devil. Now what the evil one had in mind regarding Our Lord Jesus Christ, or what image he had about his nature no mortal like us can know, and saints do not concern themselves with these issues.
      The Bible does carry a call to perfection, but it is true that we can only get closer to it with the Grace of God, through our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God who defeated death and the dark powers. He was without sin and paid the ultimate price for us. How can we not answer the call to perfection? To walk the narrow path with Joy, for His yoke is light and His burden unheavy. Let me tell you all, my brothers, that I believe that following our God, and trying to be a perfect offering for him, and only by and with His Grace, will liberate us from earthly passions and will make forgiving our enemies, donating everything we have to our neighbor an ultimately easy endeavor, a habit that became second nature.

      Post scriptum - I think Diogenes got the truth with regards to living, without knowing The Truth in his earthly life.

      If you want to know about somebody who got closer to perfection in our era, research Valeriu Gafencu.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >There were no other means of preparation that could offer such possibilities for growing in one’s faith, for a spiritual deepening, for a living relationship with God as were offered by the tribulations of imprisonment. I bless that period of time. I spent years in the wilderness without coming upon the possibility to deepen my thoughts of eternity, of the divine nature; this possibility was accorded me by way of the torturous dailiness [of life in a Communist prison].
        >Your cell became a sanctuary of prayer, of nourishment, an opportunity for ascesis, solitude, renunciation of the material goods and joys of life, an opportunity to live as paupers, in purity and chastity.. We were also obedient to the program imposed by worldly authority, as an act of divine pedagogy, in which your will enters consciously in submission to the divine will.
        wow, based
        https://orthochristian.com/90761.html

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You get the Amish. Like if an Amish sins, he or she is shunned for some time and is then declared "forgiven". And they also are nonviolent too - probably the only Old Stock Americans who don't have ancestors that fought in the Civil War, are the Amish.

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