tell me something about the cultures south of the yamanya.. maykop and kura-araxes.

tell me something about the cultures south of the yamanya.. maykop and kura-araxes. Were they really that different from the yamnaya? whether at a cultural or linguistic level? I know that the Araxes were actually influenced by the ANF.
Why didn't the Yamnaya massacre them? the region does not even have 20% Yamanya ancestry

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    araxes were irrelevant who mixed exchanging wives with the boring Anatolians. There is a possibility that they practiced some agriculture, but they were irrelevant.
    The Maykops themselves were much more culturally evolved than the Yamnaya, especially from an artifactual point of view.
    the related photo is maykop bois.
    I assume that such cultural superiority is due to its greater proximity to agricultural peoples, and there may be a certain cultural continuity between this specific type of ox and the cultures of Iraq and Turkmenistan, representing solar gods with origins in Neolithic cultures.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >especially from an artifactual point of view.
      Yes, but it was usually a copper axe. This thing is unique. Yamnaya mainly used pure copper. (or smooth stone) Other cultures used bronze. Balkan cultures mixed between farmers and steppes used bronze and obviously Maykop and related cultures

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      ok, but weren't bulls worshiped in Egypt? So this means that Maykop had contact with the Egyptians

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        bull is like a synonym for j2. It is present wherever J2 is.
        >Egypt
        it is a symbol of Mesopotamia or Anatolia. It's even in Catalhoyuk. The Indo-Europeans also stole it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's generally speaking Middle Eastern.

        bull is like a synonym for j2. It is present wherever J2 is.
        >Egypt
        it is a symbol of Mesopotamia or Anatolia. It's even in Catalhoyuk. The Indo-Europeans also stole it

        Yeah, goes back at least to Catalhoyuk.

        OG PIE, or maybe even proto-PIE worshipped horses, boars, maybe eagles.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Also wolves, dogs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >representing solar gods with origins in Neolithic cultures.
      connoisseurs of fire and sun were aggressive steppoids from Central Asia (Andronovo).
      for some reason the bull has always been associated with lunar deities.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Kura Araxes buckbroke the Indo Europeans and ended their presence in the Caucasus and eastern Anatolia

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it was literally the opposite

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Cope

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          araxes adopted the entire Caucasian Maykop culture, but they are two genetically distinct populations. There is also a reconstruction for the Caucasus Maykop.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No?

        https://i.imgur.com/Z3BfYUq.jpeg

        what do you guys think about this new paper?

        I liked

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Cope

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    apparently Yamnaya was the CLV blend that homogenized the rest, but only much later.
    maybe no late yamnaya
    but Look how they fought against the Steppe Maykop, the Maykop had better weapons than the Yamnaya

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I personally believe that maykop as urheimat.
    why? It is easier to explain several areas with IE-speaking people who had little or no steppe DNA (e.g. Anatolia. See the yamnaya or steppe elite argument has been refuted, as low steppe places like Greece include elites with 0 % steppe ancestry

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Bronze Age swords are in the Aegean
    >The steppe people didn't use them either.
    (Yamnaya, CWC, SS and etc)
    >The oldest swords are from the Maykop culture. >Then there was the migratory expansion of Caucasians to Anatolia and they left the swords of Arslantepe.
    >a large gap of about a thousand years.
    But then swords reappear simultaneously in the Aegean and Armenian kurgans.
    >Cyclades, Minoans and Mycenaeans use these long rapiers.
    >later, Naue II swords appeared somewhere in southern europe or Northern Italy and spread throughout the continent
    Sword-based Maykop.
    About the araxes? Useless

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    good artifacts

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The catacomb, always considered to be an essentially Yamanya cultural branch, although not wrong,
    the Maykop influence this.
    it had a large central chamber divided into three rooms of different sizes.
    basically each containing a body lying in a crouched position. The largest of these tombs was reserved for the main occupant, who was adorned with a richly decorated garment, hundreds of semi-precious stones, a set of weapons, a bronze cauldron and several polished clay pots. much richer than the richest yamnaya tomb.
    and as already mentioned here, we have kurgan maykop

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you are talking about a tomb of a single individual. Using this as an example of superiority is dishonesty

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How old are you? 13 years?
        It's not like the tombs of people who weren't nobles were even made, isn't that moronic? the way we know about ancient burials is literally from the burial of local nobles and elite people. or do you have a better idea to determine this?
        This sounds cope, but the Maykop tombs were more sophisticated than the Yamnaya. the richest yamnaya tomb is one of the poorest, even for its time
        in fact, one of the most exquisite items was a black fur coat in these tombs, it was the first fur garment found in Eastern Europe.

        The unusual tunic was made from the skin of the souslik, a type of squirrel endemic to the region, and it is estimated that 25 to 30 skins were needed to make it. The silver badges found on the costume, and the large amount of silver and gold, indicated the wearer's noble birth status.

        The treasure was so large that in 1898 the entire collection was transferred to the Hermitage in St. Petersburg and prepared for display to the Tsar and his family at the Imperial Archaeological Commission, where it became the main exhibit. Over the next century, much would be revealed about the mysterious Maykop.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    they created the first straws.
    Maikop ‘Scepters’ Are Actually the World’s Oldest Drinking Straws

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Facial reconstruction of a man buried in a kurgan in Zamankul, Ossetia, who belonged to the Early Bronze Age Maykop culture.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this maykop looks very european. Is this really correct? It looks like some members of my family or some random guy from the European Mediterranean.
      Well, the Maykop were better than the Yamnaya in several things, mainly with regard to their artifacts, tombs and utensils in general. let's say they were what the yamnaya should be.
      although yamnaya reconstructions are rubbish 90% of the time

      they created the first straws.
      Maikop ‘Scepters’ Are Actually the World’s Oldest Drinking Straws

      Wow. Really?

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A lot of maykop fans here

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    what do you guys think about this new paper?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I didn't really understand the article.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I believe that the homeland of the Indo-Europeans was the area between the Maykop civilization in Armenia and the Yamnaya. I believe that these cultures had a lot of exchange. I don't know if they spoke the same language, but I'm starting to think that the genetic component of Indo-European spread is overestimated, at least in Anatolia. I believe the Greek and Anatolian branches became Indo-European through intermarriage and proximity, as early as 3000 BC - 2200 BC in Armenia.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So North Caucasus is the homeland of Proto-Indo-Anatolian, who later divided into Anatolians and PIE (Sredni Stog)? Or did PIE got pushed even further into past?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        South Caucasus is homeland of Proto-Indo-Anatolian. Yamnaya is still PIE.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        PIE= CLV

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes and no. the PIA division is no longer Yamnaya and the Yamanya themselves are not the PIE, or if you want, they are a tertiary branch of the PIE.

        Related Sredni Stog - Anatolia (oldest division)
        Yamnaya -> Afanasievo - Tocharian

        Corded Ware - ancestor of Balto-Slavic, Indo-Iranian, Germanic, Italo-Celtic

        Yamnaya-> Catacomb - ancestor of Greek, Paleo- Balkans, Armenians

        Afterwards, the CWC split into the Eastern CWC (Balto-Slavic, Indo-Iranian) and Bell Beakers (Germanic, Italo-Celtic).

        The Germanic could also be from CWC->Battle Axe, not necessarily from Beakers.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/psSIL1A.jpeg

          PIE= CLV

          South Caucasus is homeland of Proto-Indo-Anatolian. Yamnaya is still PIE.

          So North Caucasus is the homeland of Proto-Indo-Anatolian, who later divided into Anatolians and PIE (Sredni Stog)? Or did PIE got pushed even further into past?

          The ancestor of Urheimat is CLV which is divided into Anatolian and PIE (Yamnaya).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I literally said that dude.
            Yamnaya and Anatolians both descend from CLV.
            CLV is urheimat, the real father

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That is not claimed anywhere, moron. That is some dumb shit you made up to feel better.

          Yamnaya -> Proto Indo European, ancestor of Beakers, CWC, Tocharians

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yamnaya is not PIE, acephalous

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yamnaya is PIE and the study acknowledged that fact, moron.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            go to sleep, 1.50 dumb.
            The “Yamnaya” were not the ancestors of the “Corded Ware” and the “Bell Beakers, and first of all, you need to read what other studies and even this recently released rubbish have concluded and what their implications are.
            the expansion of the Indo-Europeans ~3000 BC for my series concludes that the populations sampled in these d
            articles were, in fact, marginal to its moronic primary expansion. read beyond the abstract.
            The first thing to note is that the Yamnaya samples were R1b, but of a haplogroup distinct from that of the R1b common in Western Europe, and brought by the Bell Beakers. Yamnaya R1b is the same as that of the Afanesievo culture in western Mongolia. Early Corded Ware tended to be R1a. How to solve this problem?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >wall of cope
            Study agreed with prior studies that Yamnaya is PIE. Cope more.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            answer my questions without resorting to the article as a source of authority

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yamnaya were a dynastic clan or rather two dynastic clans with the larger one being Z2103 and the smaller one by the Don I2
            They killed 99% of the men on the steppe who had mostly that now obscure R1b branch found in Progress
            Corded Ware was a pre-Yamnaya split which didn't undergo the dynastic wipeout or rather perhaps they escaped the purge to the west

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Z2103 were the elite of the Yamnaya. There were J1, I2, R1a, and Q Yamnaya.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >J1
            like 1% tops
            >I2
            Certain Yamnaya clans had the Yamnaya subclade of I2 in abundance
            >R1a Q
            never found

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Q was common on the steppes, showed up in some Yamnaya.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Most we could say it that it was present on the steppe although not exceptionally common. Yamnaya didn't really have much. The subclades found in Scandinavia are probably PIE.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It was common. Biggest EHG haplogroup, second most common among Volga HGs and Khvalynsk.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Biggest EHG haplogroup
            EHG were mainly R1b with some R1a and J1
            You're probably thinking of more eastern WSHG populations
            >second most common among Volga HGs and Khvalynsk.
            Genocided by the Yamnaya Z2103 dynasty

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            EHG were roughly half Q. No, I'm thinking of EHG.

            Sidelkino cluster (EHG):

            2x J
            2 x J1

            8 x Q1
            2 x Q1b

            3 x R1
            6 x R1a
            2 x R1b

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous
          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Obviously not since Ukraine HG and Baltic HG were 2/3 EHG and had very little Q

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They weren't proper EHG. EHG from Russia had plenty of Q. It's why Q was also common in Khvalynsk.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Confirms WSHG were the fathers of EHG.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            L51 and M417 were steppe peasants that ran West during the expansion of Yamnaya. It's like with Germanics and Huns.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >L51 and M417
            They were slaves sent to attack the farmers. There's Z2103 among them leading them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They're not EHG. EHG raping Euro WHG women produces mutts not EHG.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            are you even looking at the picture? Baltic HG had not much sex bias regarding admixture but Ukraine HG had a WHG male bias despite them being 2/3 EHG
            However the ratio of R to Q is independent of this

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The I2 isn't from WHG, moron. I2 predates WHG by 30,000 years.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            ANE and WHG didn't properly meet and mix until after the LGM. The I2 in Ukraine and Baltics was obviously of a recent Balkan origin.
            However I'll grant you that these Balkan HG were ever so slightly different from other WHG in that they were more genetically diverse and brown eyed however this isn't enough to consider them entirely separate from other WHG.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            moronic

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Whats your explanation then? Why did Z2103 sweep the steppe if not genocide?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah
            The Yamnaya are not a relevant population and are not related to the start of the CWC in any significant way, they are similar but not related or the same. finally someone who is educated

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The Yamnaya are not a relevant population
            Ancestral to Greeks, Albanians, Armenians
            >and are not related to the start of the CWC in any significant way
            Yeah it was a parallel process but not the same one and Yamnaya was more advanced in metallurgy whilst Corded Ware was stone age and swinging rocks on sticks so anyone trying to argue Corded Ware was Yamnaya has no clue
            Basically Corded Ware started out as the innawoods moron brothers of Yamnaya and it took centuries and dozens of percentages of EEF femboi nerd autistic genes to catch up
            >they are similar but not related or the same
            They were separated by a few centuries linguistically and genetically but these were very eventful ones
            Early Corded Ware samples cluster with Yamnaya variance in terms of EEF albeit near the edge but still within

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Most Yamnaya samples are 1/3 CHG, yamnalickers don't post them when they talk about Yamnaya being PIE and supposedly being related to CWC, because of the absurdity of trying to fit 40-50% CHG guys into a group of 20- 30% CHG. that's insane without saying the arugula lacks consistent r1a. Nobody answered me: where did r1a come from?
            Instead, they use an outlier of Yambrown that has less CHG and then pretend that because it is close to CWC, all CWC looked like reconstructions of 50% CHG Yamnaya, which these mutts assume are just brown because CHG mated with Arabs and Arabs identify with CHG for some reason (muh, warlord culture). When the CHG was probably just a less blue version of the WHGs, both groups have histories of terrorizing the Natufian Arabs.
            most come from /misc/. the argument "but but friend! wait for new yamnaya samples to come out! they will have r1a!" To this day, none of that. just less than 10%

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Incomprehensible rambling
            Paternal lines were extremely diverse by the Don river up to 3500 BC so there really is no mystery behind where R1a came from
            Corded Ware and Yamnaya simply had different dynamics with there being two major Corded Ware dynasties and one major Yamnaya dynasty although Corded Ware also had a much, much higher diversity in non-Dynastic lineages

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Corded Ware didn't have any proper dynasties their "elites" are dirt poor by both steppe and farmer standards

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This is very culturally relative, a rock on a stick could be a prized treasure for them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Absolute state of horseless ware incels

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I remember wignat trannies here were touching their little clitties for a Bohemian CWC dead end who was just some incel chud that got killed by farmers. No grave goods, no descendants, no influence.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >less blue version of the WHGs, both groups have histories of terrorizing the Natufian
            Natufian men had so much sex with WHG women it created the entire race of Anatolians from WHG pussy

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Natufians were trans

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          wait so Armenians were actually from Balkans like Herodotus said?

          Also i don't believe in pure Bell Beaker ancestry for Germanics they are too distinct and too Slavic like in some aspects they must be Bell Beaker/some other culture mutts

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nah the steppe admixture in Dagestanis is from the same source as Armenians
            They swapped identities basically

    • 1 month ago
      Mikeso

      i from Remontnoe

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Steppe people

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      blue eyed sisters....

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/SvKAtWX.png

        Steppe people

        asked*
        In fact, you don't know how SNP works. It's basically the same tactic as the supposed super blond, blue-eyed GAC. Handpicking samples is something only the smartest people do, you cynic. Don't post those disgusting collages by EEF nordic n shite dudeee
        we are talking about maykop and kura-araxes

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yes. these trolls ruin all topics... realize that no one really talks about IE besides the yamanya. the groups mentioned are not even part of the same chronological context
          Maybe Joseph?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And? Who ask?
      Troll

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      blue eyed sisters....

      [...]
      asked*
      In fact, you don't know how SNP works. It's basically the same tactic as the supposed super blond, blue-eyed GAC. Handpicking samples is something only the smartest people do, you cynic. Don't post those disgusting collages by EEF nordic n shite dudeee
      we are talking about maykop and kura-araxes

      Literally the only EHG or EHG-related specimen with blue eyes and blonde hair is Samara. (yes. literally a sample)
      Dnieper Donets is apparently dark and so is Yamnaya.
      Maykop's damn Caucasian southerners show more blue-eyed guys than Yamnaya.
      The Yamnaya, even the Late Yamnaya, were dark as hell, even more so than the modern Portuguese.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Sources?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Ok.
          Samples from Xinjiang. The black boxes are from the Bronze Age and the guys look like the people from Tarim, Afanasievo/Yamnaya or Afanasievo+Tarim.
          They all have black or dark hair, and as I said, at a comically higher frequency than the Portuguese.

          Gray bos is from the late Bronze Age and Andronovo with more admixture of farmers. Light brown or blonde. This feature later survived in some *specimens* from the Iron Age.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Oh, oh I forgot to say
            Whoever wants to take and use these few blonde samples, like we wuz do, I'll do all the work and show that it's not something you'd really like to do.
            look how European he is;
            Here's the blonde guy (C1679)

            Distance to: CHN_Simutasi_IA1:C1679___BC_299___Coverage_89.94%
            0.07331308 Besermyan
            0.07629399 Tajik_Hisor
            0.07784489 Udmurt
            0.07969957 Sarikoli_China
            0.080479 22 Tatar_Lipka
            0.08185041 Tatar_Kazan
            0.08371469 Tajik_Ayni
            0.08641058 Turkmen
            0.08981848 Tajik_Badakshan
            0.09009491 Tajik_Kulob

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the yamnaya could be very dark, but the CWC samples started to show more SNPs for light-colored genes. I'm not saying they were finales, but it was more common than yamnaya. not that the GAC are involved

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Wrong again.
            the CWC were very dark, The early Corded Ware were actually dark, much darker than Sintashta.
            Bro, you are embarrassing yourself

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/9YtVKs7.png

            Ok.
            Samples from Xinjiang. The black boxes are from the Bronze Age and the guys look like the people from Tarim, Afanasievo/Yamnaya or Afanasievo+Tarim.
            They all have black or dark hair, and as I said, at a comically higher frequency than the Portuguese.

            Gray bos is from the late Bronze Age and Andronovo with more admixture of farmers. Light brown or blonde. This feature later survived in some *specimens* from the Iron Age.

            No one really believes this narrative anymore that "all Europeans were black until 3,000 years ago! when they somehow sexually selected themselves to become Norse with some insane eugenics program and of course! not nativeeee"

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Hummm very light, isn't?
            Dude, stop killing yourself

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Why did I lose?
            Does your source explain how and why such an extreme phenotypic change would occur??? Sexual selection is very banal and relative, why exactly?
            if I want to be convinced of this, and the masses of others who also see why this is absurd. Why did no one else who lived in the same climatic conditions spontaneously turn white, if not because Europeans have a unique genetic component that became widespread in the Bronze Age?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            hahahaha you, besides being stupid, moronic, and humiliated by me 3 times and in the end yrun away in the most covert and feminine way possible, u walk in circles and use semantics.
            You'd be better off saying you'd do more research or something and SAVE ME reading this rubbish. you lost 3 times and you go to sleep knowing that, you trash

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            as I expected... insults and arrogance.
            you are not open to other debates that involve anything that is even a millimeter outside the haplo world. imagine you realize that Claiming that two people have common ancestors just because they share some DNA sequences is as reasonable as claiming that “black” and “greater” are etymologically related, or that G25 is unreliable. It's just a PCA, so it can't estimate ancestry or genetic distance contrary to what its creator and followers claim... I really "lost it".

            Real geneticists and qualified amateurs use blending and/or blending tools.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Most people with a brain have figured out by now that cumskinmaxxing was a CHG thing first and everyone else was brownmaxxing until the 3rd millenium BC when selective pressure started piling up
        However those Anatolian agriculturalists and their Gypsy sisters from Iran_N swarthened the Caucasus considerably and we still see this with low-CHG swarthy Armenians opposed to high CHG Circassians, Chechens, Western Georgians and Abkhaz
        EHG probably had pretty much the same complexion as Native Americans

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    maykop is probably the source of carts and other wheeled vehicles in the (proto)Yamnaya, which precipitated hyperpastoralism in the steppe.
    There is a study that should be released soon on how the CHG ancestry arrived in Anatolia and Greece. We'll probably learn a little about KA from this.

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