>tfw you realise that you are saved by Gods regenerating grace alone, freely given, and not by your own works so that no man may boast.

>tfw you realise that you are saved by God’s regenerating grace alone, freely given, and not by your own works so that no man may boast.

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  1. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw you realize you are not one of the elect and are doomed to hell no matter what you do, so you might as well sin as much as you want

  2. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Calvin was predestined for hell

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      he wasn't

  3. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    >"I've never met a Calvinist who believes he is going to hell"
    Ummmm Calvibros...

  4. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    Tradcaths will get baited by this without realising the Catechism literally says the exact same thing.

    • 7 days ago
      Anonymous

      It's funny how some tradcaths turn into Pelagians just to be as anti-Protestant as possible.

  5. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    We are saved by grace through faith, and faith without charity is dead.

  6. 7 days ago
    Anonymous

    But if you’re a calvinist, you can’t know this, so you have to guesstimate your salvation probability by your works, so its just a roundabout way of working for salvation. Not that I have anything against that, but its stupid to be dishonest about it.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      >s, so you have to guesstimate your salvation probability by your works,
      Why do you need to guesstimate your salvation probability? The probability of any of us being saved without grace is 0% and there is nothing we can do to make us deserving as we are all in total depravity, any good works are owed to the regenerating power of divine grace and not to our own merits. This is exactly what Jesus is talking about those who think they’re going to heaven because they call him Lord and do good on His name, He doesn’t know them. Antinomians (faith) and Pelagianism (works) are both going straight to hell because it views salvation as something that can be earned and granted in death. The Bible tells us that we are not saved in death but in life, good works are owed to God’s healing power lifting man from total depravity, man does not work himself from total depravity to salvation. 2bh even some Calvinist’s lean way to hard into the idea of “evidence” of salvation to the point of being a bit Pelagian also. The important part is appreciating that no, we can never merit salvation, all our good works are owed to God and it is only through His infinite healing mercy that we can be lifted from our spiritual poverty.

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        if it looks like a work and functions like work then it is work, don't try to loophole lawyer God.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          But it’s God’s work, not your work. Good works are good works but the fundamental error is on the concept of “deserving” salvation or good works evidencing your own merits.
          Ephesians 2:8/9
          > 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
          The Bible, explicitly tells us only grace through faith can God save you, you cannot save yourself through works.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            But faith without works is dead
            The entire passage of John 2
            And also what was considered works in James 2:25 was considered faith in hebrews 11:31

            Check Matthew 25:34-36

            Check Matthew 7:21-27
            Faith alone isn’t enough, works alone aren’t enough
            You must put the faith into practice through works
            But of course it’s not thanks to ourselves that we are granted salvation
            We are saved through the grace of God
            That is the doctrine of the Catholic church btw

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, I agree completely. We are saved by Grace alone, through faith from which God will work through us. Sola Gratia is in reality a completely biblical, mainstream concept to most Christian denominations (including Catholicism) but is very poorly understood and provokes innumerable bait threads where people are really meaning to argue against antinomianism and/or Pélagianism.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            By the grace of god we are saved through our faith with this faith and good works which without faith is dead
            What I mean is that just having faith in God isn’t enough

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            But faith without works is dead
            The entire passage of John 2
            And also what was considered works in James 2:25 was considered faith in hebrews 11:31

            Check Matthew 25:34-36

            Check Matthew 7:21-27
            Faith alone isn’t enough, works alone aren’t enough
            You must put the faith into practice through works
            But of course it’s not thanks to ourselves that we are granted salvation
            We are saved through the grace of God
            That is the doctrine of the Catholic church btw

            Check John 6:29 as well
            Faith is a work
            You consider grace through faith alone can save you and that you can’t save yourself through works
            But John 6:29 confirms to us that belief in God is a work

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            That’s also Jesus answer to the question of how one should serve God. It can just as easily be taken as an endorsement of faith alone. But whether or not faith is a work does not change the fact Ephesians is crystal clear that works do not save us, they’re a consequence of grace.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            The works referenced to in Ephsesians are the works of the law

            And john 6:29 can’t be an argument for faith alone
            Protestants believe works don’t count, only faith does
            But what if faith was a work?
            So aren’t you saved by a work now according to Sola Fide?

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            That’s also Jesus answer to the question of how one should serve God. It can just as easily be taken as an endorsement of faith alone. But whether or not faith is a work does not change the fact Ephesians is crystal clear that works do not save us, they’re a consequence of grace.

            The works mentioned in John 6:28 was because israelites believed they could appease god by works (circumcision for example) so Jesus answered them that the only work is belief in god

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            > Protestants believe works don’t count
            Even the most basic liberal mainline Protestant churches acknowledge the concept of dead faith unevidenced by works. And if were to take it to the kind of Protestantism OP is presumably baiting about then John Calvin literally says the same thing the Catholic Catechism does
            > The promises, I say, are testimonies of divine grace. . . And then he declares himself to be a father. . . The promise, by which God adopts us to himself as his sons, holds first place among them all. Now the cause and root of adoption is Christ.7
            >Until we feel assured that God is a father to us, and that we are his people, whatever happiness we may have, it will only end in misery.8
            >Until men feel they owe everything to God, that they are cherished by his paternal care. . . They will never yield up their whole selves to him in truth and sincerity.9
            In other words we are saved by the regenerating Grace (adoption) of God through faith (justification) which entails the knowledge that all good works are owed to and enabled by God. Faith is not just knowledge that Jesus is Lord, Matthew 7:21 straight up says so, it is to have fidelity to the teachings laid down by Jesus, this is not merit by works of law but evidence of regeneration by the grace of God

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            I meant they believe works don’t count in the context of salvation because they believe in faith alone

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            Right but the distinction here is a belief that salvation is attained in life before works even happen (as works are a consequence of grace through faith) rather than something that is granted in death by merit of the tally of your works.

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            Can’t salvation be lost?
            What’s the point of free will if we are predestined

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            OP is undoubtedly a homosexual but I didn’t argue with him if you go back someone said that salvation is only through faith so I debated him

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            Works is a reference to works of the law
            For example circumcision

  7. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    But you are boasting.

  8. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    So when I go to hell, it's because God didn't heal my heart of stone. Got it.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      Looks like it's time to abandon and rethink your notions of the "meaning of life" and concepts like "earned".

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      Looks like it's time to abandon and rethink your notions of the "meaning of life" and concepts like "earned".

      >Heaven and Hell are earned...except when they're not!

      • 6 days ago
        Anonymous

        > Heaven and Hell are earned
        Literally not what the Bible says
        The one and only thing mankind has “earned” is hell. It is only through Christ that salvation is attainable.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          Let me get this straight. You're okay with the notion that heaven and hell arent earned. But the idea that God pre-selects people for heaven and hell is "going too far"?

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            > But the idea that God pre-selects people for heaven and hell is "going too far"?
            Not at all, the Bible straight up endorses single predestination and Augustine and Aquinas both recognised this. But I do not think “predestination to hell” is the appropriate terminology, hell is just the default end state of human existence.

        • 6 days ago
          Anonymous

          The heck did I do to earn my sinful nature?

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            You know

          • 6 days ago
            Anonymous

            No, please tell me

  9. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Churchianity was a mistake. Not real Christians btw

  10. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Freely given to those who truly repent and turn to God with all their hearts.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      Amen

  11. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    "A living faith"
    How much work must you provide to prove your faith?
    How would you even quantify this?
    Are you sure that you aren't mixing works into your salvation in some sneaky fashion?

    We will stand before God and these questions will be asked of us.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      Redpilled

  12. 6 days ago
    Anonymous

    Why are Calvinist sects either the weirdest kind of religious cult or the gayest liberals? There's not a lot of moderates in Calvinist circles.

    • 6 days ago
      Anonymous

      You'd have to give some specific examples. Presbyterian churches were historically known for being very conservative and boring.

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