The death of King Ludwig II of Bavaria

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_II_of_Bavaria#Controversy_and_struggle_for_power

Holy shit this is so bizarre--- he's about to be ousted by the most moronic and obviously corrupt diagnosis of all time, THEN he somehow managed to arrest and confine the people that show up to capture him, then he let them go, then all his guards disappear and he's arrested at gunpoint, then him AND the people arresting him end up dead? WHAT!?

And what's with that forged telegram calling his citizens to arms? It wasn't written by him, because it was written the day before he even knew about the arrest, so it was pretending to be him?

But then the conspirators took down all the newspapers that would have printed it so that nobody would read it!? What the frick am I reading!

Also
>He asked Dr. Gudden, "How can you declare me insane? After all, you have never seen or examined me before," only to be told that "it was unnecessary; the documentary evidence [the servants' reports] is very copious and completely substantiated. It is overwhelming."
LOL!

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is good info! See, everyone I had met that went to Neuschwanstein called him the insane king instead of the swan king and I had never heard of a Dr. Gudden. The rest is all very intriguing. I'll have to read more before I can make any claims.

    An actually good thread on IQfy though, I'm surprised!

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >everyone I had met that went to Neuschwanstein called him the insane king
      I originally looked him up because my dad referred to him as "mad king ludwig" and I just had to know why they called him that.

      seems to me he wasn't crazy at all

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >seems to me he wasn't crazy at all
        That's because you haven't seen the very persuasive servant reports. Enough that any doctor can walk in and depose his local government.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        he might've been somewhat crazy, or at least eccentric enough that they could use it as a justification to coup him
        but his fall from power was 100% a coup from people around him who didn't like the guy's policies
        I'm not sure spending so much of the budget on monuments was a bad idea in the long run, people are still visiting those castles and all. Pivoting to tourism might've just been the right move for Bavaria, but people around him didn't like it.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >his pathological shyness, his avoidance of state business, his complex and expensive flights of fancy, dining outdoors in cold weather and wearing heavy overcoats in summer, sloppy and childish table manners, dispatching servants on lengthy and expensive voyages to research architectural details in foreign lands
          he sounds liike a typical aristocrat to me

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        All late Wittelsbachers were nuts, him being sane would be remarkable

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          the swedish ones were decent

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have to say I'm a bit saddened IQfy didn't find this more interesting. Alas.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why is this surprising? His reign was an embarrassment and he deserved to be overthrown

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        built some pretty castles though

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          and he didn't tax me a dime to do it. The guy is a fricking hero as far as I'm concerned

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      shut up moron. it's a slow board

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, it was fricked up. As always, I suspect Prussian shenanigans.

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >this is so bizarre
    Reading it, it's really not. He was a bad leader, and the people under him hated him so they began plotting. He was apparently such an incompetent leader and so disliked, that he didn't even realize (i.e. nobody told him, such as Bismarck; or if someone did tell him it apparently didn't register to him how serious it was) what was going on until hours before the coup took place.

    >THEN he somehow managed to arrest and confine the people that show up to capture him, then he let them go,
    Makes sense as he's probably not trying to appear insane at this point. Seems like a good motivation.
    >then him AND the people arresting him end up dead?
    I thought just the one guy who went on a walk with him died, not everyone?
    >But then the conspirators took down all the newspapers that would have printed it so that nobody would read it!?
    If he really didn't write it, then I'm assuming there was a loyalist faction. That's not to say they were loyal to him for his own sake, but maybe they imagined an opportunity to rise in place of the plotters on the chance that their plot fails. In that case a new set of appointments will need to be made by Ludwig, and they would have a motivation for the plot to occur but still fail.

    >"it was unnecessary; the documentary evidence [the servants' reports] is very copious and completely substantiated. It is overwhelming."
    It's exactly the kind of thing that happens in power struggles though.

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah even the wikipedia article doesn't add up, where it says he suicided by drowning but no water was found in his lungs
    Poor autist king just wanted to be fantasy hero

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    facts about his death
    -it occurred the day after his arrival at berg castle
    -gudden told attendants not to follow as they had earlier
    In the first case, it strains credulity to say he died of a heart attack at 40 due to chilly water in the midst of so many extraordinary events and conspiracies
    In the second case, one of the men likely dismissed their aides because he knew something was afoot. However, they both died. Which one would calmly walk into death, and why? I think the answer lies in the "murder theory"
    > According to Lidl, he had hidden behind bushes with his boat, waiting to meet Ludwig, to row him out into the lake, where loyalists were waiting to help him escape. Lidl wrote, "As the king stepped up to his boat and put one foot in it, a shot rang out from the bank, apparently killing him on the spot, for the king fell across the bow of the boat."
    So the loyalist account of his death places three different parties at the scene: loyalist boatman, Ludwig/Gudden, and the assassin. If true, it starts to sound like a trap where Ludwig was allowed to communicate with a real-but-compromised loyalist group in order to lure him away from witnesses. Gudden thought he was helping spring the trap, but glowies thought otherwise because he played an odious role in the whole thing, they rubbed him out. The boatman was innocent and therefore allowed to live.

    What's interesting to me is, the beauty of Neuschwanstein and Wagner is worth the faustian excess to us because we're not involved, much like unit 731. How do we pursue wild pinnacles of humanity without playing such stupid games to get there?

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Vgh… the last Louis Catorceist absolutist of Germany
    I miss this holy Catholic monarch like you wouldn’t believe

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      VGH

      You jest but this shit is only a joke to Germans. To the rest of the world, it's a wonder of craft and culture. To the rest of the world, it's "why don't we build these anymore". That's the point of being great -- beauty comes as a result of who you are, unlooked for and unappreciated, rather than from conscious flights of self importance.
      >but it was a conscious flight of self importance!
      for Ludwig, but he was an idiot. Most people considered it kitsch insanity I think

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >kitsch insanity
        the toilet's nice

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          you know what's really fricking stupid? building a bigger pyramid (takes 25 years) just to have the biggest one

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    VGH

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >6'4
    >staunch Catholic
    >helps out Wagner
    >takes one for the team but keeps on fighting for his own interests
    >goes out in a kino way
    what a chad

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