The first nomadic confederations to dominate the Western Eurasian Steppe were the Iranian Scythians, and later the Sarmatians.

The first nomadic confederations to dominate the Western Eurasian Steppe were the Iranian Scythians, and later the Sarmatians. What happened to these Iranian nomads and why did Turks eventually come to dominate the Steppe?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The iranian character of these guys is emphasized by a vocal minority (iranian nationalists). They kept larping about the Ashina clan being iranian but genetics BTFO'd them

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Z93 Ashina were descendants of Iranian men and East Asian women.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's no proof Ashina had R1a. The study was done on an alleged claimed descendant who showed no proof he was descended from Ashina, not from an actual Ashina corpse found in a tomb.

        Even Ashina women should show at least 1% Indo European autosomal DNA if they were descended from Iranic men but the Ashina empress who ma rried into northern Zhou showed 0% Indo European DNA

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ashina was R1a, Genghis Khan was R1b.
          the complete dominance of Nordic Ydna in the steppe is already recognized by the law of physics.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Again there's no proof for either.

            Ashina R1a result comes from a modern person who claimed to be descended from Ashina

            In that case a Nigerian can claim descent from Julius Caeser and you have to accept his haplogroup as Caesar's.

            Genghis R1b claim comes from an unmarked tomb with absolutely no inscriptions ad to who the people are.

            Also, Genghis Khan's descendants via Dayan Khan (a Toluid) were tested in Mongolia and are haplogroup C.

            So you're a hypocrite who accepts modern test results of claimed descendants for Ashina but not for Genghis.

            Also if they were R1a and R1b they were absolutely failures at spreading their genes, since Mongolia is majority C3 and O3.

            East Eurasia is majority O3.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Genetically, the Scythians and Sarmatians were similar to modern Tajiks and Wakhs, even today they remain eastern Iranian peoples.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So
        Scythians = Tajiks?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, Tajiks are genetically, perhaps culturally (in some aspects) the population closest to the Scythian-Sarmatians.
          however, we should not forget that patrilineally the Scythians descended from the Andronovo culture, which is a direct continuation of the east European Corded Ware culture.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So they aren't/weren't europeans. That's my point dude

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Andronovo were northern Europeans, the Scythian-Sarmatians were mainly a mixture of northern Europeans and the Iranian/Zagrosian population of central Asia.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            no
            the northern Europeans have no connections with them, basically a distance of 0.7 is very high, and the Scythians, especially the eastern ones, were more hapa

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not precisely.
          Yaghnobi, who are a minority in east Tajikistan, are closer to the Scythians. Modern Tajiks are thought to have experienced large amount of gene flows from Persia.
          proximity to the Scythians among the modern population would be like
          Yaghnobi > Wakhi, Pashtuns > Slavs > Kyrgyzs > Uzbeks > Tajiks

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The Kazan Tatars are also quite close to the Scythians that I would put them right after the Tajiks.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Kyrgyzs > Uzbeks
            they cannot be more Scythian than the Tajiks.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            and the Pashtuns? they must also have Scythian blood

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. Not European origin, again

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not precisely.
        Yaghnobi, who are a minority in east Tajikistan, are closer to the Scythians. Modern Tajiks are thought to have experienced large amount of gene flows from Persia.
        proximity to the Scythians among the modern population would be like
        Yaghnobi > Wakhi, Pashtuns > Slavs > Kyrgyzs > Uzbeks > Tajiks

        So
        Scythians = Tajiks?

        Yes, Tajiks are genetically, perhaps culturally (in some aspects) the population closest to the Scythian-Sarmatians.
        however, we should not forget that patrilineally the Scythians descended from the Andronovo culture, which is a direct continuation of the east European Corded Ware culture.

        They arent though tf are you talking i saw g25 and they had a distance of like 0.7 and were equidistant to russian tatars and some uralics

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          in the available samples, the closest ones are mainly Tajiks and Tatars.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Scythians and Sarmatians were similar to modern
        Russians.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sources? My Nordicist mind

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A few tribes of scythians settled down with the greek colonists around crimea and become farmers/merchants. I think a not insignificant amount of other tribes went soft from drinking wine and living an easy(ier) lifestyle, which lead to them being subsumed by later tribes such as sarmatians. Really the main problem ive found in my studies were that they were very fractitious and only banded together in times of war or to do big raids. I dont have much knowledge of the turks, though they did fight some cool battles with the moslems, as did the khazars.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >my studies
      >wikipedia and israelitetube

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In addition, I think the Arab conquest of the middle east is a Nomadic deed, although it didn't originate in Eurasian steppes, but in Arabian desert.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Mughal and Ottoman empires were really really far disconnected from any nomadic ancestors so I would rather not have those counted.

      true
      but this image is meant to make modern Turks from "Turkiye" feel better about their small dicks.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The founders weren’t nomads and the army mostly consisted of conquered city folks rather than massive numbers of nomadic hordes arabs couldn’t form an army alone due their small population

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did the mongols conquer Tibet, or was that a Yuan thing being attributed to them?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasions_of_Tibet

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dzungaria and Tibet soon be free

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Scythians migrated westward into Europe becoming the Goths

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Mughal and Ottoman empires were really really far disconnected from any nomadic ancestors so I would rather not have those counted.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >what happened
    nothing 'happened' to them. They were mixed with neo-Siberians and created a new race and new culture.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      since they lost their original IE language and culture, something still "happened" to them.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    my money is on Udmurts = (maybe) to actual Royal Scythians
    >why royal
    you might ask, cause that was the biggest tribe and also the tribe that was defined by no taking slaves or having non scythian members in it, therefore most likely to keep the highest concentration of red haired people
    it's just a theory, but who knows, Udmurt cluster is certainly "special" in this regard

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >mongol
    Don't exist. Made up, was debunked by DNA science that didn't find a single mongol DNA anywhere outside of inner mongolia.
    >"mongols"
    >"turks"
    Is all russian.
    India is also Aryans to the north.

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