The history of philosophy is just the history of Plato dealing with his trauma of being btfo by the sophists.

The history of philosophy is just the history of Plato dealing with his trauma of being btfo by the sophists. He was mogged so hard by Gorgias and Protagoras that it took over 2000 years for him to accept that they were right.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Gorgias
    If Plato had wanted to portray him as being wrong he could have easily written him to not be a complete Chad who takes every counter argument in stride. He's hardly the main person actually being argued against in his dialogue.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      he was pretending not to care. it's a defense mechanism of reducing gorgias to a harmless egoist to avoid seriously facing the cognitive dissonance that Gorgias presents to Plato's mind

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sophists don't argue they disagree.

    did the nile alligator btfo the egyptians because they could not be tamed and turned into beasts of burden?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >sophists don't argue

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        an argument has rules which sophists must break in order to be coherent in their sophistry. alternatively, they can adhere to the rules of argumentation but abandon their position. let's look at gorgias example on wikipedia as a demonstration:

        >Nothing exists;
        >Even if something exists, nothing can be known about it; and
        >Even if something can be known about it, knowledge about it can't be communicated to others.
        >Even if it can be communicated, it cannot be understood.

        He is being ironic here, but let's investigate a little further. The entire 4 lines are something, they exist as so far as they have been written down. They are an attempt to communicate something, their meaning, we will come back to this. Their structure is sound as it follows logically.

        So does nothing exist? No.

        For a formal argument to be true, it must reinforce itself, if it contradicts itself in the whole it can be said to be faulty. Are paradoxes formal arguments? No they are use of language, typically for some other effect. So Gorgias here is

        >LAYER ONE: being funny and ironic, exposing the limited use of logic
        >LAYER TWO: shows he does not understand or is honest about logic, because his argument is self-defeating (so doesn't work to expose logic limits)
        >LAYER THREE: refuses to explain this ambiguity, is he ignorant or deceptive?
        >LAYER FOUR: the reader can now reject Gorgias as either a fool or a person who has failed to prove his case
        >LAYER FIVE: Gorgias understands he cannot prove his case (of Sophistry) so he must continue to employ these types of opaque moves, where he attacks his enemies seemingly exposing their weakness, but has nothing to replace or improve upon their technique, he is a cynic or a critic in denial
        >LAYER SIX: Gorgias is actually an opportunist, he only believes in his own self-advancement, and is using the vehicle of critique because it is easier to destroy rather than build. This is the world view of Sophistry, an inversion or normal decency, and now we can understand the entire thing clearly for what it is, an illegitimate power grab.

        but this gels perfectly with postmodernism, communism, internet culture. so naturally i expect you either to not reply or be glib and superficial in an attempt to evoke an emotional reaction, eg. escalate when you position is untenable.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You moron, that’s a summary of his claims, his actual work and arguments are lost. He wrote it (an entire book, on non existence) to make fun of Parmenides but there is also an angle in which he is being sincere. There is a very real sense in which nothing exists. I can replicate several strong arguments he could have made.
          >this gels perfectly with postmodernism
          That’s the point of the thread

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Read the late dialogues (particularly Theaetetus). These Sophists get such a thorough thrashing, it's impossible to take them seriously after it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >[insert strawman]
      >dude... what if memory is like wax
      >do you know what knowledge is?
      >yeah, me neither
      >I deliver babies bro
      how exactly does this btfo anyone?

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Barkon

    I'll carry your laughs with me. I've profited a lot. I'm a trillionaire. I'm also super intellectual. Through the harshest of conditions, afterward you will do this, double and possibly more. All of you. Laugh it up. It's just pain and I'm max tolerant. You have a price on your head that will be paid sooner or later in full. Whether that's much, much much, much much much longer in the future. You will experience up to quadruple what I do in a far more complex hell.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Barkon

      You'll never get away from me. I'll never forget who exactly took part or how to catch you. No matter how far you run. The only reason this hasn't happened is because you have me locked. If I was unlocked able to process just once. This would be a reality. All of you, hell, one day. I promise that.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        go back to IQfy moron

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the history of society is a battle between Platonists and Aristotelians

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The history of philosophy is just the history of Plato dealing with his trauma of being btfo by the sophists
      Cringe.
      >the history of society is a battle between Platonists and Aristotelians
      Based.

      The elite sophist class uses Plato and Aristotle to divide the normies.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >trvke so large it has directly lead to Putin invading Ukraine

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/H3isI6I.png

      >trvke so large it has directly lead to Putin invading Ukraine

      >Catholic Ukraine which traces its heritage to the Aristotlean monks of the Middle Ages and their papacy
      >Orthodox Russia which has a Platonist heritage via Gemistos Plethon and the survival of Platonist thought within Orthodoxy therein

      Yeah, it checks out.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The history of philosophy is just the history of Plato dealing with his trauma of being btfo by the sophists
    Cringe.
    >the history of society is a battle between Platonists and Aristotelians
    Based.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Can you homosexuals elucidate on what you mean. I only know plato and his theory of forms and aristotle's logic, i can almost extrapolate from this that analytics follow from aristotle and continentals follow from plato.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are probably talking about the problem of Universals. Are the objects of imagination "real"? If you answer "yes", you are a realist. If not, you are an idealist.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        weird post, plato and aristotle both believed universals exist, only difference is aristotle believed they had their basis in primary substances/sense perception. also idealism is not nominalism, except in berkeley who was kind of an nominalist. it's empiricism vs rationalism not idealism vs realism, and even so the distinction is kind of dumb because Aristotle is basically a quasi-rationalist anyway just with a more balanced outlook. the whole larouche thing is moronic because Plato and Aristotle don't even offer the same thing, Plato left no system to posterity and insofar as he did it died out after -500 AD when Christianity was instituted, then no one read him or Aristotle for a thousand years. Aristotle had a lot more impact on society whereas all Plato does is influence philosophers generally without really influencing them in one particular direction.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Men will literally criticize a Thracian slave girl instead of going to therapy.

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