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Only took me 2 days to fix the sound on my system and I have no idea if it will still work after reboot. When will the torture end?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    pipewire just works for me

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's exactly what I use.

      What's your Linux distribution?

      Manjaro.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i dont know who told you to use manjaro but about half of the people who complain here that their shit doesn't work are using manjaro. the other half use ubuntu. ubuntu has like 100x the users of manjaro

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody. I just wanted to try something new and stuck to it. I have been using the same distro for couple of years now and I have a lot of stuff installed and configured, so moving to something else just doesn't seem worth the effort.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            pretty much every single other option is better than Manjaro if you want something Arch-based. Maanjaro is disgustingly bad and utterly broken

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >every single other option is better than Manjaro
            Any examples?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Gentoo

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Arch but with an installer
            Endeavour just werks
            >Arch without söystemd
            Artix
            >Arch and nothing else
            Arch with archinstall

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >archinstall
            >trusting some goober's python script to do it for you

            That thing didn't set the right crypttab partition UUIDs as after the first reboot it couldn't mount /home and basically broke the installation in that and God knows what other ways the first/only/last time I bothered to try it.

            Debian has a seemingly justwerks installer, archinstal isn't like that. just do it by hand through SSH as usual and note down the steps somewhere.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            my current Arch installed with archinstall works fine, but I didn't encrypt my drive, so I can't say much about that
            >Just do it by hand through SSH as usual and note down the steps somewhere.
            kek, that's what I did with Artix not too long ago

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Try debian, it's much more stable, easier to use and better supported while still being minimal if you need it to be.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I use Debian at work. Yeah, it's okay, apart from occasional frick up with NVIDIA drivers.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Manjaro.
        why did you go out of your way to use such a dogshit distro instead the mainstream reliable ones (debian, fedora, arch, centos, ignore the rest)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Manjaro.
        Let me guess,
        >muh minimalism
        Let me let you in on a secret: Arch isn't special. You can have bleeding-edge packages and minimalism by installing Debian Sid without a DE. That's how easy it is. You don't even have to put up with Pacman.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Enter the light, my brother.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      werks on my machine

      [...]

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        L1nux uzerzzz

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I would buy one if I could rip out the cameras, microphones and install a better OS on it and it still works. But you can't. Because it's a fanny-pad

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I will, brother!

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you don't know what torture it is to frick up your GRUB and also have your entire disk LUKS encrypted.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >pedophile issue

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        nah I'm not using GNOME

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >anon doesn't encrypt
        >laptop stolen
        >identify theft

        have fun with that

        a crackhead only needs to swipe your PC for a $10 fix once

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why did you encrypt your hard drive FFS?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >why did you lock your door?
        >why did you put a password on your bank account?
        MORON

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Do you leave your laptop unattended at McDonald's or wherever you eat?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            mcdonalds is for little kids like you, it's not even food. i don't have a laptop because im not a moron

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So what is the encryption protecting from? I understand encrypting data partitions (and putting your portable programs in there too) but encrypting an entire system causes way too many issues when something breaks. What's the point of hiding anything but your home directory from physical attacks?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >doesn't know what encryption is for
            aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there's the problem. maybe go read a book before you post your stupidity?
            >but encrypting an entire system causes way too many issues when something breaks
            nope, you're wrong and moronic. you are literally a stupid person. and this isn't surprising, stupid people don't know they're stupid and can't possibly believe it. i'm trying to help you by telling you you're stupid. do you understand? yes or no? any answer except yes or no is a no. i await your reply, i can almost 100% guarantee it's not going to be a yes or no

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't understand. Encryption is for hiding information, at a cost of computational power and convenience. What's the point of hiding information that can found in a distro ISO and public PPA anyways? The fact that you have these programs also isn't that important to hide - anything you actually care about can be in the encrypted partition.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't understand
            we know
            >at a cost of computational power and convenience
            bro, what century did you time travel from that you need to care about computational power for encryption LOL
            >convenience
            it's not inconvenient, you're just an idiot. i literally don't think about encryption at all once it's implemented. are you really stupid or something? tell me the part that is inconvenient. the part about not having to do anything?
            >What's the point of hiding information that can found in a distro ISO and public PPA anyways?
            things that are mine are no one's business. guess how i can tell you're not from the united states? you will literally never understand privacy. no wonder you til live in a messed up shithole LOL

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            nta and I don't really care about the post you're replying to (got that moron attention span) but
            >What's the point of hiding information that can found in a distro ISO and public PPA anyways?
            I tried switching from macOS to Linux in a corpo setting and the requirements basically came down to:
            >SecureBoot
            >full disk encryption (excluding the EFI partition)
            so in a sense you're right, you could use filesystem-level (as opposed to cryptsetup volume-level) encryption for everything in your $HOME and you'd be just fine
            also, modern CPUs have dedicated hardware for AES and if that wasn't enough, cryptsetup has recently gained native support for OPAL-enabled SEDs which means you can offload encryption onto your drive entirely

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i could tell he was a moron, I just wanted to make sure he didn't have an argument
            For corpo this kind of thing makes sense, especially when a threat can come from your own employees with physical access
            I don't really get it with personal devices though, generally I value openness and simplicity over the niche security benefit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Lol encrypting the HDD on your stationary computer.
            Ok guy. And then you frick it up like you mentioned. Great.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >And then you frick it up like you mentioned.
            frick what up? there's nothing to frick up. are you ok? do you know there's more than one anon on IQfy?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Then why the frick did you reply when I asked another anon, you cretinous blob

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            stupid newbie. this is an open-ended and public discussion and nobody is obligated to respond or not respond to you. have a nice day

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            there's no way you're really this stupid. ...... is there??????

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Well, if your house is burgled and the thief takes your unencrypted PC, he'll have access to all your private documents.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            you're replying to a moronic third worlder that can't comprehend privacy. i bet he also thinks guns are bad and only for criminals too

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I have my private documents in an encrypted partition. There's no point to encrypting the whole system unless you're afraid of some random burglar getting your session cookies minutes after he skillfully took out your hard drive.
            >but the gov...
            They know what you do with your "private" life already. Don't overcomplicate your life for zero reason.
            It's a moronic threat model. I don't disagree if you're using a laptop but what kind of loser and homosexual uses one in the first place?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      that doesn't sound like a huge problem with grub or systemd-boot on arch, as it should be trivial to restore it by redoing the same things as in the installation steps from live media.

      or do you have your /boot also encrypted?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      These seem like separate issues, no? Even if when you say entire disk, you mean the GRUB itself is on that disk and also encrypted, because you'd have to decrypt the disk to access the fricked-up GRUB in the first place. I'm really curious as to what happened to you, even though I don't encrypt my disk.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What's your Linux distribution?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Take the Alsa pill already.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      on one hand I like ALSA because it's the most lightweight option
      on the other hand, every time I try to debug an issue with it I have to
      >try every single sound card / line combination just to find my front panel
      >resort to some fricking voodoo magic rituals like putting alsactl init in /etc/rc.local
      >find out for the Nth time in a year that it's impossible to switch between HDMI and rear panel jack without modifying a text file
      >fight against Firefox in distros where it is hardwired to PulseAudio
      I still use it but GOD DAMN it's hard to figure out

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      what is the fricking hell

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    opensuse tumbleweed with btrfs has saved my ass with shit like this. updates are pretty solid but for the 2 times something fricked up, just load in a snapshot and everything werks. wait a week or so to update and the frickery un-fricks itself update wise.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It never ends. Linux is a DIY platform. It's like deciding in advance that every repair on your car is going to be handled by you personally. Even on Mint you'll have to tinker with things routinely.
    To anyone reading this that is considering switching to Linux, just know that. If you only enjoy using computers, and not popping the hood and tinkering, you may not like it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I have Devuan and while I initially had some problems getting the GPU to work, it's been mostly trouble-free since.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I think the thing that gave me the most trouble on Arch was getting hardware acceleration to work on Firefox. took like 10 minutes kek

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, it can get mostly trouble-free, I agree. But when trouble comes, you're often in the weeds really fast. For the years I used Mac and Windows, however, I can probably count on one hand the number of times I really needed to poke around in internals to solve a problem, rather than just for customization. So even the minimum hassle achievable on Linux is still going to be a slight bit above what a commercial platform can offer, and that's only to be expected.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      couldn't agree more, had to crack my head up to install steam and check my disk health. Now I'm trying to set up and use yt-dlp after spending all day configuring the browser. Fortunetely I'm taking notes of all the comands
      >t. first time linux Debian user

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ur wasting ur time. our modern world is modern because of specializing. u cant be ur own plumber, welder, and electrician. unless u want to spend ur life doing things other than what ur best at.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Taking notes is exactly the right move. I'm not sure what DE you're using, but from what you've been saying so far, you're going to become best friends with the terminal in short order. Good luck.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I lost my job, wife and kids due to the Linux experience...

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Only took me 2 days to fix the sound on my system
    it took you two days to run apt install wireplumber? you're the biggest moron on this entire board

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >When does it get better?
    Never. It's just this forever. You either learn to accept it as a way of life or revert back to Windows.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      will eleven-chan accept me into her gentle embrace even if i am a disgusting linux sinner...

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Of course, for the low low price of $139.00.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          thank you...i cant handle any more linux tinkering and bugs.... i am tired of fighting the fight against big tech, i just want to close my eyes in eleven chans lap and let my 'puter auto updoot everything..... technology is healing

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I want to kiss eleven-chan's thighs... how much for that?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That feature is exclusive to Windows 11 Pro, available for $199.99.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Of course, for the low low price of $139.00.

            [...]
            >When does it get better?
            Never. It's just this forever. You either learn to accept it as a way of life or revert back to Windows.

            boy, I hope the CIA don't find me with eleven chan on my computer

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    i didn't post an issue moron, i posted a solution

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I told you to click the sound icon on your task bar and choose the right output. Sometimes it defaults to hdmi. This happens on windows too.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ALSA literally just works tbh

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're absolutely correct tbh

      on one hand I like ALSA because it's the most lightweight option
      on the other hand, every time I try to debug an issue with it I have to
      >try every single sound card / line combination just to find my front panel
      >resort to some fricking voodoo magic rituals like putting alsactl init in /etc/rc.local
      >find out for the Nth time in a year that it's impossible to switch between HDMI and rear panel jack without modifying a text file
      >fight against Firefox in distros where it is hardwired to PulseAudio
      I still use it but GOD DAMN it's hard to figure out

      >find out for the Nth time in a year that it's impossible to switch between HDMI and rear panel jack without modifying a text file
      There's several ways to do this but you basically have to configure alsa to be able to do it.
      >userspace loopback setup
      >duplicating audio using multi and muting one or the other output using softvols
      >environment variable (restart the program to get it to output to speakers)
      All of these are pictured in the post you replied to.
      .asoundrc is extremely powerful, but the configuration language is quite the thing to wrap your head around. It WILL filter nocoders.
      >fight against Firefox in distros where it is hardwired to PulseAudio
      Install Gentoo, unironically

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Install Gentoo, unironically
        at the moment I'm trying to do some frickery with minimal base system comprised of buildroot-based rootfs + custom kernel and use something like pkgsrc on top of that
        it's getting autistic, but it's fun

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    When you stop being moronic AND lern.
    Almost all my problems were caused because I was stupid and/or ignorant, now the only times something breaks is because it's the maintainer's fault ( I use Artix btw ) and I compile my own distros for fun

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I use Artix btw

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >use hobby grade desktop
    >"wtf why do I have to do things??"
    Just use Windows if you don't enjoy this kind of shit, moron.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If it takes 2 days to fix simple sound issue. Then it is not linux experience, you are just too far gone down the moronation train.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Tech can be like: "I'm not going to work the way I used too."
    It is very frustrating. That's tech for ya.
    One of my machines does this thing where the sound GUI says one thing but the irl output is HDMI 1. Amdifferent machine I have had no audio out when I connected to a second monitor. I fixed that one though by making the sound GUI big enough to see all the outputs, whew, that was really frustrating (scary?) for 10 minutes.
    What's up with these captchas?

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Technology is super complicated, to think of it how we could transform binary to a fully functional desktop, that's mind-blowing. So when you get under the hood, outside all the frontends, when you start playing with the wires don't expect it to be as clicking buttons, anon.

    I had the same experience trying to use FFmpeg on a task that no available video editor can do, it was so specific, that I needed to get under the hood and play with the wires. I understand that not everybody has the need, nor the capacity to learn and use those "hard" tools, if you want something that just werks, take a look at linux mint. But believe me, when you understand those "hard" tools, and master them, you'll be like a pilot versus cyclists.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Stop being autistic and use Mint

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >same old dumb webm
      >linux novice that can't read
      >shitty distro with bug
      >shitty software
      >GAYmen
      >spamming the same webm but not making a point
      lel IQfy morons are pedos

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So what is a distro that doesn't rely in any way on systemd? Because I sure as frick won't switch from one megacorp pimp to the next.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Artix, Devuan, Gentoo, Void

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't slackware also free of systemd?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          probably is. never used it myself tho, I only quoted some of the most popular ones nowadays

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks, gonna check out Artix and Devuan.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        nta, but I tried all of them so I'm gonna share my shit takes
        >Artix
        works alright
        doesn't have many packages but it's the only distro that successfully ships with multiple inits and doesn't make a mess of it
        the kernel configuration they use is complete dogshit though (for example, artix runs a fully tickless kernel and enables power-efficient workqueues by default)
        >Devuan
        realistically only the sysvinit version is fully supported
        in case of every other init, you'll have to work with a mix of sysvinit-style scripts and runit/whatever at the same time
        it's stable and the XFCE version just werks
        >Gentoo
        not systemd-free
        relies on systemd udev and systemd-tmpfiles even though there maintained alternatives out there (in case of udev) and you don't need tmpfiles in the first place
        >Void
        the only distro with first-class support for runit, or at least it feels like it
        packages are broken and probably never tested
        musl version is just pain and suffering
        last time I checked, the XFCE release didn't even work OOTB

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yeah I've pretty much only tried Artix between all those, and it's pretty good (xfce + dinit in my case)
          that said I also installed systemd-boot on mine because frick it, I hate grub too much to use it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Might I recommend syslinux? The configuration is dead simple, boots fast, has a nice menu, is reasonably easy to install and it comes with many BIOS/UEFI utilities!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            you might indeed. never tried it before though, does it work with dracut? I use that instead of mkinitcpio

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Should, it only needs the KERNEL path and optional APPEND parameters including initrd/initramfs and it really could not care what you gave for initrd, it just passes that with all other appends to the kernel

            I myself am an enjoyer of syslinux/isolinux/extlinux and I doubt I'll ever use another bootloader, grub is too crooked and mishapen for me and rEFInd is too moronic for my taste, syslinux works just right! Just remember the utilities have dependencies that are not explicitly mentioned, so be safe and toss all of em into your efi partition

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You learned some things. Stick with it and in no time at all you'll look back and laugh, "I could have avoided all that trouble if I just..."
    Learning curve

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    anons not encrypting = microsoft not including bitlocker in windows home edition

    kinda sad really

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >linux
    nobody actually uses that, it's just a cool word to drop around to confuse newbies, if you actually use it you are moronic lol

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >using linux unironically
    hahaha we got another one boys!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      based linux user

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        frick how did you know
        actually posting from arch

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You should've picked Debian

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    who here daily drives Linux with a 4090?

    what is your setup? my Windows 11 trial just decided to force sports and stock market widgets on the lock screen so I'm looking for viable alternatives. how do bluetooth speakers work? those were a nightmare last time I used Mint, it was a complete diceroll whether or not they connected and stayed connected.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >novideo
      wouldn't be me lol

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >wouldn't be me
        obviously. you're 3rd world, I could purchase you as a permanent servant for the price of a 4090.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          and I could bash your skull in for the price of a gentoo installation :^)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Typical 3rd worlder reaction to immediately resort to violence.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It is scientifically proven that people calling others thirdies are ~99% of the time minimum wage mutts

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >grug angry, grug must hit ouga ouga
            typical third-worlder answer

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I have a nigvidia gpu (not a 4090 but a recent one still). what do you want to know about it?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        what distro? what DE? have you done gaming/AI generation? bluetooth? what issues have you had? how frequently do you have them?

        and I could bash your skull in for the price of a gentoo installation :^)

        you shouldn't be so open about your bitter hostility and jealousy toward your betters

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >what distro?
          Arch and Artix
          >DE?
          xfce
          >have you done gaming/AI generation?
          I do both yes. AI just works, most games will work with Proton too (the ones that don't are usually the ones that have kernel level anti cheat, I don't play those). if you plan on using the same DE, 2 quick tips: enable ForceFullCompositionPipeline in the Nvidia settings to get rid of screen tearing, and disable the xfce compositor when playing games to avoid stuttering (you can add launch arguments in Steam to do that automatically iirc)
          >bluetooth?
          haven't used that unfortunately
          >what issues have you had?
          on my desktop I haven't really had any to be honest. was just a matter of learning how to configure it the first time, which wasn't too hard. my laptop on the other hand has a more exotic config and I had more trouble making it work properly the first time. also wifi on my laptop works poorly because of some moronic manufacturing choices from the constructor, it's an issue on most MSI laptops
          >how frequently do you have them?
          well, on my desktop I don't. on my laptop it basically depends on if nvidia wants to break shit or not. I never had nvidia issues on my desktop but on my laptop every other driver version seems to break things. I heard using nvidia-open (no, not talking about Nouveau) instead of the closed-source driver helps, was planning on trying that soon

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >When will the torture end?
    When you install AlmaLinux.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    When you learn to use your computer like you're a moronic incompetent grandma.
    Just don't have any real computing needs and use Linux strictly to check your email and faceberg account and nothing else.
    Not even joking.
    Linux incels will occasionally claim that they've installed it for their grandma and all their problems went away. They weren't joking, that's who Linux is for. Linux is perfect if you just don't try to do anything with it or are too stupid to try.
    There's no use case for using your computer anyway.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just install Slackware. Everything works out of the box.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The thing about Linux on the desktop is that it doesn't "just work." Windows just works, Mac OS just works, that's why people stick with them. Even when Windows gives you a cryptic error, you can look it up and find a solution. By contrast, when something fails on Linux there's no error window at all, the thing just silently fails and you have to run it again in a terminal to see the error output, or else you just have no way to tell what's going on. That brings me to my second point. If you have to use the terminal at all, you have an incomplete graphical user interface. If that's the way you wanna do it and it fits your workflow, go right ahead and use it, I'm not saying it's an inferior way to do things, but 99% of users out there will not use the terminal. They don't know how and learning it will seem too daunting of a task. That is why the linux desktop is not standard.

    Game compatibility, Driver performance or Desktop environments, those are whole other subjects that have their own problems.

    1. Why are drivers still not good on AMD and there's still shader cache stutter in 2024 on linux

    2. Why are there no stable drivers

    3. Why is every desktop environment shit or buggy. Even KDE which is the most featured and best linux still has tons of problems. With the release of plasma 6 only more things broke, and now the years of the linux desktop seems further out of reach than before.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I found it irritating how linux messed up my bluetooth headphones connection with other OS. I enjoy jumping between linux, macos and windows, only Linux caused a problem where you needed to waste time fixing it.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >When will the torture end?
    when you have a nice day
    I would suggesting starting asap to limit the time of suffering

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    install pipewire

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Skill issue

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Linux doesn't even save battery. It consumes more energy than windows, explain that Linux chuds

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Linux
    enjoy the battery drain, benchods.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    not a problem on nixos

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