>the moment which singlehandedly ruined America

>the moment which singlehandedly ruined America

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >literally any other union gets directly/indirectly gelded by the USgov: :/
    >air traffic controllers get gelded by the USgov: >:(

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It pretty much broke the land standing US tradition of not firing your employees while on strike, and once the Government did it, it was a free for all

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're right, but the thing was that it was illegal for them to strike in the first place because of the nature of their job. The only choices they left were to fire and replace them immediately or start grounding flights. It seems to me like the ATC's should have been smarter with their negotiations

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Meant for

        It pretty much broke the land standing US tradition of not firing your employees while on strike, and once the Government did it, it was a free for all

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's literally the idea. A strike forces the employer to respect the employee's role in the business. They should've grounded planes.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >forces the employer
          Live by the sword, die by the sword.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >breach labor contract
    >get fired
    What's the problem? Do you want a society of entitled cretins that don't keep their word?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      that it's not a contract between equals

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They shouldn't have signed the contract then.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        What constitutes a "contract between equals"? Such a thing does not exist.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't believe they breached their contract. When negotiations stall past the duration of the standing agreement, that's exactly when you SHOULD strike. A no-strike clause is for the duration of the contract. What they did breach was federal law.

      whatever response to that MIGHT have been justified, if the rationale was that the ATC workforce is just too critical to public safety and keeping the world turning, it defeated those purposes to decimate the ATC workforce in retaliation for their actions. Even today these poor bastards are working like Chinamen. Overworked, overstretched, understaffed. Meanwhile, anecdotally at least, air traffic seems to be getting sloppier, and the job is so demanding and under-rewarded it doesn't attract the needed recruits. So much for the indispensable value of this profession's labor.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      A and B is negotiating, to DEFINE contract
      B isn't budging or even willing to entertain the negotiations.

      Seeing how its going in Scandinavia, B can still cuck themselves quite badly even if you let them have striking.
      B can also cuck themselves even more if they are not doing a long term process to keep their field competitive and professional.
      And A can cuck itself really badly by breaking the strike as well, especially by getting into a situation where the more skilled professionals of B leaves.

      That said
      The US way of doing unions is a weird mix of the Anglo way to do them, and the Italian/Romance way.
      So generally non competitive, and generally violating freedom of association by only allowing specific grounds people to organize via unions.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Only commies join unions. Cry about it more

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >t. bezos

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Considering the number of airplane crashes in the 70's and 80's (compared to now), it's not like they were very good at their jobs. Typical union types...

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's obviously the engineers fault, not the ATC or pilots.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That was more a limitation of technology especially weather prediction and a lot more pilots being war veterans who were willing to take stupid risks (I got shot at by German AA guns, I think I can handle flying through a thunderstorm, thank you).

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      it's funny because when the FAA raised the retirement age for pilots to 65 in 2007 there was outcry that wienerpits would be filled with senile boomers having heart attacks in flight yet none of that happened and air travel is far safer than it was back when they had to retire at 60 (which was done for business reasons not health concerns).

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        what was the business reason? i'm genuinely curious.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          The FAA set the retirement age for airline pilots at 60 in 1960, it was claimed just to be safe and prevent the possibility of boomers having heart attacks in flight but really just because jet airliners were coming into service and there was anecdotal evidence that young pilots had an easier time mastering them than the older guys. You understand that air travel in 1960 was still very young, there were pilots from the 1920s who were still actively flying commercial planes. I mean, Charles Lindbergh himself was not yet 60 years old at that point in time.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            they have better health screening today and it would be pretty hard to get your annual physical and have an obstructed coronary artery go undetected. also pilots don't smoke or eat a steak and eggs breakfast before heading off on a flight nowadays.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            They did say that back in '60, that medical science as it stood then wasn't advanced enough to detect some health conditions.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >there was outcry that wienerpits would be filled with senile boomers having heart attacks in flight yet none of that happened
        Anon all the seniles retired or died. Back in the day a lot of wienerpits werea total dysfunctional mess until after a bunch of plane crashes occurred and radical reform or wienerpit procedures and behaviors occured.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I'm pretty sure in European countries it was always 65.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Frick wrong pic

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous
  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Employees of an elected government unironically don't deserve the same striking rights as employees of a private entity.
    In a private entity, the strike is your only bargaining tool due to the fact that you cannot change or influence the board of directors/CEO in charge as a worker.
    Working for the government means you literally do elect the Representatives who ultimately have the final say in how government enterprises are run, therefore you already have a "workplace democracy" and should instead address grievances view those elected officials rather than disrupting the public life

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      While that is the motto of LO
      They are sadly no longer following it, nor using the motto to pressure the political party they are attached too.

      The way democratization of Politicians work has also changed a lot. By running a lot of government organizations via NPR, you can then buy out a lot of potential politicians instead of having them be normal employees until they manage to get seats high enough in local elections to start climbing the ladder.
      This matters a lot because even with personal votes there are limited ladder steps that can be skipped. And thereby limiting how a union can act by delaying the time table by 2-3 elections or more.

      I think fundamentally you are right. Monopolizing the political process to get change is more important than striking.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >therefore you already have a "workplace democracy" and should instead address grievances view those elected officials rather than disrupting the public life
      You don't, because as an employee you have a unique relationship with the government that someone that is only a citizen does not have.
      Unions represent the collective interests of the government workers, same as any other interest group that lobbies the government.
      These interests are not represented merely by voting as a citizen.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mr Finland is saying without realizing it that so long union organizing is part of a system with freedom of association, you can have national unions that isn't specialized.

        US unions do not have that luxury due forced association and therefore limited scope, and US federalism means the political ladder is also several steps longer.
        The federalism is also annoying because it impacts hiring chains. Its very different to negotiate with somebody 1 or 2 steps away from the actual owners, as opposed to the US situation where you might be 4-6 steps away.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Interesting how American Conservatives were and are hostile to labor unions and view the ability to strike or boycott as unamerican and harmful to the economy are now calling for strikes and boycotts of woke capitalists for pushing DEI and transgenderism on their employees and customers even thought they’re functionally powerless to stop these things.

    Guess it wasn’t worth trusting rootless cosmopolitan capitalist pedophiles after all.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Your picrel is not the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, and therefore it is incorrect.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Air traffic controllers' fault for not immediately storming every airport in the country with a sit down strike and shutting down all air travel. homosexualy picket line strikes accomplish nothing.

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