The more I read into the Middle Ages the more the Phantom Time theory is fucking retarded

The more I read into the Middle Ages the more the Phantom Time theory is fricking moronic

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wish it was real. It would have made things more interesting

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >According to this scenario, the entire Carolingian period, including the figure of Charlemagne, is a fabrication, with a "phantom time" of 297 years (AD 614–911) added to the Early Middle Ages.
    What the frick this is fricking moronic

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      To be honest, there's no way to truly know what's happened unless we've seen it with our own eyes, and even then we could misremember. But there's no reason to disbelieve these accounts. What's more believable/rational:
      >these things happened, and might be embellished/skewed a bit by sources
      or
      >they just never happened and sources made it up entirely for da lulz

      The former is just more probable. Why would sources make up a bunch of bullshit for no reason? Can you give me an explanation and motivation? If not, your theory holds no weight. I'm willing to entertain any theory if there is compelling evidence for it, but I just don't see it here.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Why would sources make up a bunch of bullshit for no reason? Can you give me an explanation and motivation?
        you can't consider that usurpers may wish to bolster their "legitimacy" with a fake history?
        and that scholastic "historians" who seem to coom buckets over any document that the establishment tosses their way, even if it is written hundreds of years "after the fact", might be credulous dupes at best, and malevolent shills at worst?

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Those factors are all taken into account, weighed against other sources, and are presented with disclaimers, by any honest historian.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, it is.

    But the Greek Dark Ages literally never happened. Bronze Age Collapse was real, but it didn't take centuries to recover.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Tell me more about the Bronze Age collapse

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >be doing some farming
        >no water cause earth do be like dat
        >not farming anymore
        >gotta steal food now
        >oh yeah got dat food now
        >eat food
        >no more food
        >killed all the farmers
        >destroyed all the farms
        >destroyed some city’s while stealing food
        >no more ways to farm
        >frick everything up

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      anon they lost their entire writing system
      also that totally fricks up the chronology with the Near East.

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The phantom time hypothesis claims Charlemagne did not exist.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >According to this scenario, the entire Carolingian period, including the figure of Charlemagne, is a fabrication, with a "phantom time" of 297 years (AD 614–911) added to the Early Middle Ages.
      What the frick this is fricking moronic

      no the phantom time hypothesis is that events were copied and repeated. Otto I is Charlemagne

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Otto I is Charlemagne and the works of Plato were written during the Renaissance instead of rediscovered. It’s a lot of jumbled nonsense

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Otto I is Charlemagne and the works of Plato were written during the Renaissance
          Renaissance rediscovery is suspect not because of phantom time but odd things like how Cicero writes like Petrarch who was the one to magically discover Cicero

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >but odd things like how Cicero writes like Petrarch who was the one to magically discover Cicero
            You do know uh, Cicero was the most popular writer of the middle ages right. They had plenty of other texts by him before his letters.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Explain this

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          The events of Otto and Charlemagne's lives parallel each other. The HRE was founded twice

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            The HRE was not "founded twice". That is an anachronistic concept being applied to historical events. The title of "Emperor of the Romans" given to Charlemagne and Otto I was seen as no different to that which bestowed upon Augustus.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Which was*

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >He has not heard of the lunar two hundred year leap problem
    >hasn't considered the two dates of Ottokar's birth problem

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    What is the motivation for the elites to propagate phantom history?

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The theory has already be superceded by the one by that German guy who died recently. You are behind the times, moron

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    There was a thread a few months ago where people discussed how a German historian present some archeological arguments for this
    The thread got deleted after a very short time.
    I'm still very skeptical about those claims but that was a very weird thing even by IQfy standards. Blatant shitposting threads stay for days but that got deleted in the same day, without there being anything against the rules.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Was that the one where the guy claimed all the archaeology sites from the phantom time period dated to the same time cause they were buried at the same level?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, that, also the fact that those did not seem to show any technologocal and cultural evolution during that time

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          From what I've read the process of feudalism evolving and Christianity spreading took all that time though

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    How anyone takes this seriously is beyond me. It falls apart the second you look anywhere besides Western Europe.

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Knowledge of history generally undermines the assertions of conspiracy theorists. To be deep in history is to cease to be a conspiratard.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >read about all the conspiracies that have happened throughout history
      >makes you stip believing in conspiracies
      what a moron

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Read more. Conspiratorial thinking thrives on a naive schoolboy understanding of history. If we go by the colloquial definition of conspiracy then civilization itself is a cascade of conspiracies. This is absurd. What's more likely is that people lack a proper understanding of how the world works and how it always has worked. Their simplistic thinking can't square the circle of a complex world, so they resort to indulging in a type of thinking that gets the adrenaline up and the blood pumping.
        it's like the stages of grief
        >C'mon man conspiracies aren't real!
        >THIS IS BULLSHIT! LOOK AT ALL THESE SHADY FRICKS!
        >Guys we have to stop them!
        >Guys....I don't think we can stop them...
        >these sorts of things have always happened

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          what do you call one group of people organising and planning to overthrow another group/king/emperor if not a conspiracy?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Formally speaking, it fits the definition of a conspiracy. The formal definition of conspiracy is very loose and includes basically every secretly organized fricking over of someone else since the beginning of time. Children conspire to frick each other over. This sort of behavior is in our blood. I feel like this proves my point even more. If everything is a conspiracy, then nothing is a conspiracy.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            im so glad snopes is here to fact check this

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Again, read more history. You'll get there eventually.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            i have read history, its rife with conspiracies, throughout cultures, throughout time periods
            conspiracies as you say are in our blood, your statement here

            Knowledge of history generally undermines the assertions of conspiracy theorists. To be deep in history is to cease to be a conspiratard.

            is just moronic

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