>The Norse Vikings discover America in the turn of the first millennium

>The Norse Vikings discover America in the turn of the first millennium
>The Skrælings (Native Americans) are all pre-historic stone age savages with no wheel, metal or civilisations to speak of
>Half a millennia later Christopher Columbus discovers the New World
>The natives didn't change one bit and are still Neolithic-tier savages
Kek no wonder they roflstomped by whites

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Neolithic tier savages

    Mesoamerica and the Andes both had urbanized civilizations at least comparable to Bronze age civilizations, and in many ways closer to Classical ones or contemporary Medieval societies.

    Even if you're just looking at North America, Oasisamerica and the Moundbuilders both had developed towns and monumental architecture on par with stuff like Germanic tribes/kingdoms and the Vikings, which you bring up.

    The largest of those like Cahokia were actually way bigger then anything the Goths, Gauls, Norse, etc built.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >and in many ways closer to Classical ones or contemporary Medieval societies.

      In what ways?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Population density and political development

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      fpbp

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >WE DON'T NEED NO METAL!!! EARTHWORKS ARE FINE!!!

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        They had copper (metal) smithing thoughever

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      And all those places were either abandoned when Europeans showed up or they got steamrolled by them

      Why is the wheel seen as a need for advancement? There’s an obvious reason not to care for it in jungle or extreme forest lands.

      >There’s an obvious reason not to care for it in jungle or extreme forest lands.
      Whatever the terrain is you need to create roads for the wheels to go on. Jungles and thick forests are routinely cut down to make roads through them, and this was done even before modern technology

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >And all those places were either abandoned when Europeans showed up or they got steamrolled by them

        Even if this were true, and? That has nothing to do with OP's assertion.

        It's also very much not true. It took centuries for states in Mesoamerica and the Andes to be fully conquered and in some cases, many regions were only nominally claimed even though local groups basically did their own shit and the Spanish were never able to fully put down rebellions. Not to mention that the actual full successful conquests that did happen were mostly done by local states simply using the Spanish against their existing rivals and captials all the while diseases were everywhere.

        Even up in North America, De Soto reported coming across Misssisipian towns/proto-city-states and being involved in their wars. He didn't conquer them (though he helped some conquer each other), but when he returned to those same areas later they were ally utterly decimated by diseases and were abandoned then.

        >WE DON'T NEED NO METAL!!! EARTHWORKS ARE FINE!!!

        They had copper (metal) smithing thoughever

        https://i.imgur.com/mNFJY7h.jpg

        >The Norse Vikings discover America in the turn of the first millennium
        >The Skrælings (Native Americans) are all pre-historic stone age savages with no wheel, metal or civilisations to speak of
        >Half a millennia later Christopher Columbus discovers the New World
        >The natives didn't change one bit and are still Neolithic-tier savages
        Kek no wonder they roflstomped by whites

        The Mississipians had cold-working of copper, Mesoamerica and the Andes had proper bronze smelting/metallurgy.

        Mesoamericans used wheels and axels in toys or ceremonial figures; and wheel-like devices in pottery and textile production.

        They definitely needed the wheel but two entire continents of half-naked cannibals is not what I would call "civilization".

        The only reason you'd call Mesoamerica and the Andes "half naked" is if your entire understanding of them is based on bullshit media depictions, see pic. They wore fine clothes, had actual armor in warfare, had huge urban cities with painted buildings and aqueducts, etc.

        The Spanish themselves when they intially arrived in Mesoamerica remarked that the natives there had clothes unlike those in Cuba, and if you read subsquent Spanish accounts, Cortes, bernal Diaz, Tapia, Aguilar, etc all praise the shit out of Aztec cities, governance, even ethics and morals aside from their religious practices.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Since you're here, answer me this: did the mesoamericoids exclusively hold banners on their backs samurai style or was that only for warrior decoration and the actual troop coordination banners were held by hand? The two books i've read have very conflicting information on that specific subject

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      /thread

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      /thread

      fpbp

      Surely their population was of similar size to other areas of the world right? They werent using slave labor right? They used their intellect and not the brute force of conscripting the vast majority of society for vanity projects?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >at least comparable to Bronze age civilizations, and in many ways closer to Classical ones or contemporary Medieval societies.
      >didn't have wheeled transport

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why is the wheel seen as a need for advancement? There’s an obvious reason not to care for it in jungle or extreme forest lands.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    it's kinda crazy how there were so many distinct tribes, and now they're almost all gone or melded together

  4. 5 months ago
    Radiochan

    They didn't need the wheel, and some were smelting metal. They definitely had their civilization and an idea of what territory was theirs.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      They definitely needed the wheel but two entire continents of half-naked cannibals is not what I would call "civilization".

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Mesoamericans wore about as much clothing as pre-islamic indians and Andeans were arguably far less half-naked than ancient greeks were, not really a good indicator of civilization anyways.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Mesoamericans wore about as much clothing as pre-islamic indians
          Most Mesoamerican women actually wore proper, fairly conservative dresses, a lot more than pajeetas and their tendency to have their breasts out at all times back then as seen in pic related

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >their tendency to have their breasts out at all times back then as seen in pic related
            we have to go back

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >They didn't need the wheel

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >no metal
    Well that's not true. (Video)

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    What is the point of this thread, anon? What did the Indian ever do to you?

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    You'd have to be a brainwashed leftoid to deny the law of high and low races at this point.

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