The Restoration of the Woolly Mammoth

There is a program to try to bring back the woolly mammoth and reintroduce it to taiga and tundra biomes. Apparently before the disappearance of the mammoth these were more steppe-like and supported much greater biodiversity.
What do you guys think about this? I think it is kind of neat and maybe will be one last great scientific accomplishment by the present society before the senescence which we are seemingly destined to endure.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Very ambitious and cool project.

    I would love to see other species revived also. Like the aurochs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There is, I understand, a program to backbreed the auroch from extant cattle breeds in Poland. The auroch is pretty crazy because it was extirpated in historical times, like 600 years ago or something.
      Large grazers like this are very important ecologically, they often remake the landscape from dense, close-canopied forests to open tree-savannah type ecologies with very high species count. An example of this is the long-leaf pine savannah of the American south which is all but gone today but was the rule there for a long time and has some of the greatest biodiversity of any known ecosystem.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        *Long-leaf pine savannah was NOT the result of large grazer (that I know of) but of wildfires/human fires and fireadapted long leaf pine species. I meant this as an example of open savannah being much more biodiverse than close-canopied forests.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Agree it would be one of the most incredible scientific accomplishments of humanity. Especially in the field of conservation and efforts to save endangered, or in this case extinct, species. Humanity has caused a massive global extinction event that is ongoing, any way we can try to save some of the biodiversity is worth the effort.

        Not sure about the senescence thing lol hopefully not.

        Yes large grazers are super important ecologically. I doubt this project will result in millions of woolly mammoths patrolling the tundra, though. Definitely not any time soon as I assume they have a relatively long lifespan like elephants.

        We'd not only need to bring them back, but bring back enough of them with diverse genetics to not cause issues with inbreeding. A population needs a certain amount of genetic diversity in order to be adaptable, healthy, and self-sustaining long-term.

        The better way to address that problem faster would be to increase the numbers of bison and allow them to roam more widely.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I assume this project has inbuilt plans to manage the herd for at least a century.
          I do agree about the bison. Their range was much greater than what it is normally thought to be. They were present in the Florida etc at one point for example.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What happens to the forests in Siberia if mammoths are revived?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But what's the point of it? It'd be a good laugh I agree, but the novelty would ware off. So then what? Who's land are they staying on? Sell them as pets? This scheme won't make money so it has to be charitable.

          If you think you're gonna stick em in the wild, frick off, we don't need more dangerous creatures running about. The only animals we need are ones that make money: farm animals. Beyond fur and ivory, mammoths wont provide much.

          By all means, if you've got some private well fenced off land, make them, but don't give me eco hippy shit: Nature exists to serve man.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Russia is the country doing this so it's probably a combination of scientific exploration and a desire to make headlines around the world that makes it look scientifically competent. No one else is bringing back extinct creatures. If Russia can do it, that's a big feather in their hat. Westerners will of course pretend it's nothing, just like the Soviets pretended the Moon landing was nothing, but to everyone else it will be a huge deal.
            As for your other questions, they'll live in Russia and probably won't be allowed out of the country, not even for exhibition in other zoos. If you want to see them, you'll have to go to Russia.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Yes large grazers are super important ecologically
          Ecology outside of tourism and pet projects is not important.
          >diverse genetics to not cause issues with inbreeding
          Or use genetic engineering to fix defects as they arise until they've bred themselves enough mammoths you can leave to it. You're also assuming these would be the real deal mammoth 1.0 from 40,000BC, instead they'd be mammoth+mutt mix like in Jurassic park.
          Once again though, who the hell would fund this? Genetic therapies cost lots, feeding animals cost lots, feeding exotic animals even more money money money.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bring back mastodon and ground sloth

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      or dodos

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I wonder what dodo meat tastes like? Sailors reported it to be very fatty.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nope! Primary sources actually say it tasted awful, lol.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So was it fatty or not?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Actually, good point. it could have tasted fatty whether it was good or bad, so if you read it somewhere, we're probably both right.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Dodos are useless fricking animals. Completely helpless and clumsy pieces of shit that relied only on the fact that there were no predators on Mauritius. Np No other animal on Earth lived on such easy mode. They deserved to die off.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          WILD thing to say. no animal "deserves" to die off.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I would personally want to see Smilodon and other prehistoric cats revived

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Mammoth steaks
    the future looks good

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How big would one mammoth rump steak be?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Mammoth steaks
      no, no none of that. Look what happened last time!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        But we can make money off of keeping them around this time.
        As long ass there's a market for their meat they will be kept around.
        Your old hunter gatherer just hunted them without a focus on managing their population.

        I wonder if we could ressurrect something like an ancient sauropod like diplodocus what they would taste like?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Probably like chicken

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            biggest bird is an ostrich so it might be more like that

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          People say that crocodile meat tastets like a mixture of fish and chicken. I think diplodocus would be a bit similar, with a hint of game-like taste

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But we can make money off of keeping them around this time.
      As long ass there's a market for their meat they will be kept around.
      Your old hunter gatherer just hunted them without a focus on managing their population.

      I wonder if we could ressurrect something like an ancient sauropod like diplodocus what they would taste like?

      >not using them for delicious Mammoth Cheese

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Might want to try elephant cheese first before going on a quest for mammoth cheese.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Have you tasted?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I get slapped when I try to grab a human breast so I'm not going to try to see what happens if I grab an elephant breast to milk it for cheese.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you have to make friends with her first dumbass

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What if we breed dwarf elephants so that they don't kill us as easily?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            nakadashi

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Seek help

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Would mammoth survive in this day? Wasn't one of the reasons it went extinct because of diminishing tundra biome?

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How do we prevent them from interbreeding with elephants?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The places they want to introduce them to, like siberia and northern canada, have very few elephants. That said, I think they are using elephants in some way to bioengineer them back into existence.
      I do not think some interbreeding would be bad, for the sake of genetic diversity. But elephant traits probably would not translate well into living in siberia.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think they wanted to modify an indian elephant genome to express mammoth cold climate genes

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        wooly mammoths actually aren't very well suited for those climates, their "wool" isn't very insulating, relative to other arctic animals anyway.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    To imagine that these animals were still alive during the Egyptian Old Kingdom

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yet another delusion of soientists who think they can defy the will of god

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not delusional. It's about to be reality

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Finally biotechnology does something useful.
    Looking forward to a 1KG Mammoth burger!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is that the seared bite?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Is that the seared bite?

        What?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          some dog shit nogmutt meme about a guy reviewing a burger

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You should try the impossible whopper

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I think it is kind of neat
    me too, I support Pleistocene rewilding. I support restoring everything that mankind has ever touched or altered. Back to our original evolutionary geographic location and ecosystem we should return.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Environmentalism is anti-human. The only way to assure their is no impact on the environment is to exterminate humans.
      Environmentalism is an objectively pointless quest. Species evolve and die out constantly, even if humans exterminated 99% of species, new ones emerge in a few million years to refill the niches of the exterminated.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    But they went extnct when those biomes existed, and it has only gotten warmer since then. Why would they do any better now?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Polar bears don't naturally survive in Alabama but somehow Alabama still has polar bears.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        only because we give them a little cold habitat to live in. People talk about bringing mammoths back as if they would just live in the wild and be fine

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So humans are unable to save currently living species like Elephants or Tigers but will somehow revive an extinct species and make it more plentiful than current Elephants and Tigers? Yeah totally not bullshit. They have been claiming they were going to revive the mammoth for the last 15 years, zero progress so far.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.wired.com/story/colossal-biosciences-mammoth/?utm_source=twitter&utm_social-type=owned&utm_medium=social&utm_brand=wired-science&mbid=social_tw_sci
      They want to use the technology to preserve extant species as well.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tigers are breeding in captivity, so the population can be restored via conventional methods

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Apparently they want to bring back the passenger pigeon too, which would be sick. Their extinction is pretty insane considering how numerous they were right up to when they were wiped out.

    I hope they really get the ball rolling on this. I want my goddamn Carolina parakeet.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pure hubris.

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