The story of Eden is an obvious allegory for man gaining consciousness.

It's hardly even an allegory. It's pretty much literal. And it portrays this as an explicitly bad thing. That people would have been better off remaining ignorant.

Yet, I rarely see this aspect of it discussed. Why?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is discussed often and yeah man gaining consciousness is the generally agreed interpretation of the story among academics

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah idk why american Christians are allergic to metaphor

      I’m more talking about the rather pessimistic idea that consciousness was a mistake. Most Christians seem to not hold this belief, instead they seem to believe that life and consciousness is a gift.

      It’s not just this one thing either. Christianity has some deeply pessimistic worldviews (more than Judaism or Islam I would say), but they’re mostly just ignored.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the rather pessimistic idea that consciousness was a mistake
        That is your bog standard Christian view of genesis. That original sin was bad and that people should have stayed like animals instead of getting holy spirit from whatever happened there.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, but I don’t see how this fits with “be fruitful and multiply”. If you go out and ask a random christian, they’ll probably tell you that life is a good thing. I want to understand why that is.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I want to understand why that is
            because Christianity is taught wrong and Christians today don't understand their own origins.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            This is the conundrum, isn't it:
            Thinking ape bad, but thinking ape should be commanded to reproduce.
            It seems all for naught?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The only gift is Salvation. Consciousness is neither good or bad, it's what we do with it. And we chose to disobey God, and continue to do so on a daily basis, resulting in our exile from His presence.
        In short
        >Salvation = Good
        >Consciousness = Neutral
        >Disobedience/Sin = Bad

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Ok, but you don’t need salvation without consciousness. And most with consciousness do not receive salvation. According to the bible the vast majority, even christians, will go to hell. That seems fairly bad to me.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >According to the bible the vast majority, even christians, will go to hell.
            You mean according to churchianity. Not the Bible

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >According to the bible the vast majority, even christians, will go to hell.
            You mean according to churchianity. Not the Bible

            you're both right. the bible isn't taught correctly, misunderstood, and churches don't teach any of it correctly. Most people are not getting themselves sorted out properly to rejoin God upon death in any sort of harmonized condition.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It’s hard to make a case the current condition is better. Imagine being more intelligent than a chimp, never living so long as to be old, always able to sex, eat, and play whatever you want whenever you want, being perfectly adapted to your environment, and inherently living in harmony with nature. Pretty much a perfect garden.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      What academics? I’ve never read a good commentary that goes in that direction.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah idk why american Christians are allergic to metaphor

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's also a story about the transition from an innocent, childlike existence in the wilderness to a farmer who lives in an organized society.

    17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

    18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

    19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not just consciousness, but the development of agriculture
    >first we lived in a garden where everythig was plentiful
    >then we had to grow food by the sweat of our brow
    But remember Adam named the animals and that was God's idea, so language was a-ok.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Yet, I rarely see this aspect of it discussed.
    >Why?
    Because this “history” board is suffused with shills (jews) and useful idiots (atheists) who endlessly post strawmen and literalisms

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    When Adam ate from the apple, did he gain knowledge of good and evil?

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >make monkey without knowledge of good and evil.
    >punish it for doing something evil
    I don't get it

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yup, and imagination is God in man

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's more precisely an allegory to sedentarisation.
    >Humans live happy as hunter gatherers
    >Female nesting instinct figures out it can use the neocortex to invent agriculture and permanent house.
    >Humans have to live miserably and grow their own food.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s very obviously a story to explain to Bronze Age people (this story in particular is old as dirt) why there is anything bad in life at all, why we wear clothes, have shame, and literally all the other punishments god doles out when they get caught.
    You’re thinking it’s the evolution of consciousness because your brain is too modern to understand that they didn’t even know what evolution was.
    It’s a fable about how bad things came to be in the world and why it can’t be a lush peaceful garden.
    Do you guys not know mythology? So much of it is about where things came from and why they are the way they are, people back then had no idea so people came up with stories to make up a reason that made sense to our human, narrative centric, rule oriented, punishment centric simple minds.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why can't it be ancestral memory speaking? Bronze Age people had their past as hunter-gatherers imprinted in their blood.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Bronze Age people had their past as hunter-gatherers imprinted in their blood.
        Proof, for that?
        I find that, a bit hard to believe.
        So please elaborate, if you can.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Proof, for that?
          I have non. I'm only following my intuition and interpretation of sumerian and semitic mythology. Did you know the flood in Genesis was inspired by a sumerian myth? My gut tells me there was a flood somewhere in acient Sumer and it got imprinted in the DNA of the people living there.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's like you were the passenger of a perfect self driving car and then you decided to take wheel and are now panicking and crashing all the time.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    What do you mean? For example, what is the Fall of Man supposed to represent in terms of "gaining consciousness"?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      they're using the word to mean the kind of self-reflexive self-consciousness that a human has that a monkey arguably doesn't

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Both Adam and Eve seem to be conscious before they eat the apples

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No its israelites attempting to explain how humans even began, its one of the dumbest human origin theories in religion too.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the bible is an allegory
    go back to leftypol commie. It was real.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      But, thats not what christianity says.
      Christians interpret it as literal, not as the weird allegory you said.

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  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    But, thats not what christianity says.
    Christians interpret it as literal, not as the weird allegory you said.

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    So, you're saying we should return to monke?

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >explicitly bad thing. That people would have been better off remaining ignorant.
    We wouldn't be here and everything you love in the physical world wouldn't exist moron.
    Flaw is what makes life worth living

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    That's literally the best and clearest interpretation. Only moronic Americans and atheists think it's about the Creation of homosexual Sapiens.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, it's a metaphor for the agricultural revolution. Eden is an idealized retelling of a hunter-gatherer lifestyle.
    >people live in natural paradise
    >food is abundant, little work has to be done
    >something bad happens (probably a climate change event)
    >people now have to work hard on the lands just to survive
    >population growth, specialized work emerges (Cain is a farmer, Abel is a herder)

    It makes sense since the next chapter is also about lifestyle and food production, it's a metaphor about the conflict between pastoralists and farmers, which was likely the source of the first large-scale wars in the region.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >which was likely the source of the first large-scale wars in the region.
      Basically the source, of humanity or the earliest that the Hebrews of that era could have understood or cared.
      So your interpretation is the correct one, not op's.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >having to work for food
      >being conscious of the passing of time

      Maybe they just left Africa

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