the veneration of saints

I have a question for my Catholic friends, I don't feel very comfortable venerating holy women, am I obligated to venerate all saints? Is there any offense? is there any paper on exgaero about the veneration of Mary and how it was viewed by Catholics
and Mary? Some say it is a sin not to venerate her others say no

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    exaggeration*

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I don't feel very comfortable venerating holy women
    get over yourself, stop caring abut what you want and what you feel

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      am I obliged or not?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's your issue with women?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      none

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then why don't you want to venerate female saints?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          he's probably classic

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Funny enough, patriarmix boys have serious mother issues because they don't get affection from their mothers. I dated a German girl who told me this before. I thought she was exaggerating, but apparently she was right

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I never felt very "good" ? (for lack of a better term) in venerating female saints, they are still being, well, women.
    And about Maria, the dogma is that you don't deny, as the Protex do, your attributes and "abilities".
    This is mandatory, but venerating her is not necessarily.
    although Maria is actually quite important.

    >le incel! problems with divine beings with uterus
    No, I'm married and i have 2 children.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You literally can't. The priest will instruct you to say several Hail Mary's, and if you don't you're being rebellious. Hail Mary's are the reason Catholics wear rosaries. It's basic to practicing the faith. Pius XII also consecrated the entire Church to the Virgin Mary back in '42. It's inconceivable not to venerate her.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You are not obligated.
      the saints are not* a kind of Pantheon, you moron
      by the way, dishes should always be clean

      The rosary asks Mary to pray for us and is our most common devotion. Furthermore, we are not obliged to do anything in Montfort's texts. Unless something is forced, you are not really bound by it.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Incidentally, shouldn't you be talking to your priest about why you don't "feel comfortable" venerating Mary and other female saints? Maybe an exorcism is in order, hmm?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not demonized

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Tired of the sacred feminine? (even if they deny that it is not really that) consider patriarchal religion to be essential.
    follow that who allowed MENA to be conquered in a short time.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This sounds more like a Nestorian question.
      OP, don't confuse things please

      ?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Who

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you want a solution? be Protestant

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You are not obligated.
    the saints are not* a kind of Pantheon, you moron
    by the way, dishes should always be clean

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the saints are not a kind of Pantheon
      They are closer to that than anything else, actually. Worship... sorry, veneration is technically optional, but in practice you chose which saints to venerate/call upon as needed, and people/places/countries/organizations can be devoted to specific saints, and they've also also got specific days on which they are routinely venerated etc. This forms the basis of Catholic religion.
      It's all very similar to Greco-Roman religious customs really.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        For example, consider this short text of Catholic history:

        >After getting the approval from the local warlords and religious of the Norman abbeys, the monastery of Saint-Wandrille, Saint-Taurin-d’Évreux and Jumièges, Duke Richard I sent an officer and some soldiers to the Mont Saint Michel to announce his order: return to a religious life style and become a member of the Benedict order or leave the Mont. Only one accepted and all the others left, leaving the abbot Maynard 1st, coming from Saint-Wandrille abbey, to establish a Benedict ruling. The installation of the Benedictine monks took place in 966, which is marked as the founding year of the Mont-Saint-Michel Abbey. Those monks added the double-nave, pre-Romanesque church Notre-Dame-sous-Terre.

        5 devotions are implied in this text: Saint Michael, Saint Wandrille (Wandresigel), Saint Taurin(us), Saint Benedict, and Our Lady. And Jumièges Abbey is dedicated to Saint Peter too.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >We must do everything through Mary, that is, we must obey her always and be led in all things by her spirit, which is the Holy Spirit of God. I have said that the spirit of Mary is the spirit of God because she was never led by her own spirit, but always by the spirit of God, who made himself master of her to such an extent that he became her very spirit. Happy is the man who follows the example of the good Jesuit Brother Rodriguez, because he will be completely possessed and governed by the spirit of Mary.
          God forgive me, but I thought it was a little exaggerated

          >the saints are not a kind of Pantheon
          They are closer to that than anything else, actually. Worship... sorry, veneration is technically optional, but in practice you chose which saints to venerate/call upon as needed, and people/places/countries/organizations can be devoted to specific saints, and they've also also got specific days on which they are routinely venerated etc. This forms the basis of Catholic religion.
          It's all very similar to Greco-Roman religious customs really.

          You again...

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Meds.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          By This same donkey
          "Mary embodies divine femininity and was chosen for a reason to carry God's only begotten son.
          While God encompasses both divine masculinity and femininity we seem to perceive him in a masculine way and perceiving God in a feminine way seems to be some kind of insult.
          Adoration of Mary seems to be a roundabout way of appreciating the divine femininity of God.
          Obviously there are those that can get lost in worshipping Mary and take it too far but this sin is just as common and no worse than protestants worshipping their favorite pastor or worship team.
          In subjects like this it's important to remember Galatians 6:7"
          He's crazy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Or really, just look at this and tell me it's not a pantheon.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What is it about anti-Catholicism that makes it so schizophrenic and conspiratorial?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is a board where anons skeptical of Mary veneration have other anons implying they're possessed by demons lol

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What's conspirational about that, exactly?

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >St Faustina

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >We must do everything through Mary, that is, we must obey her always and be led in all things by her spirit, which is the Holy Spirit of God. I have said that the spirit of Mary is the spirit of God because she was never led by her own spirit, but always by the spirit of God, who made himself master of her to such an extent that he became her very spirit. Happy is the man who follows the example of the good Jesuit Brother Rodriguez, because he will be completely possessed and governed by the spirit of Mary.
    God forgive me, but I thought it was a little exaggerated

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's optional (what you wrote above) and because the rosary, the most common form of Marian devotion, is asking Mary to pray for you over and over.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Mary is neither a source of salvation nor a requirement for contemplation in the Orthodox liturgy
    she is the greatest of saints and the bearer of God, but we do not believe in the immaculate conception nor the bullshit of co-redemptive nonsense
    Mary is a Saint you can ask for intercession, end of story

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Without the immaculate conception, Mary would have sinned, crazy fool

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is?
        you forgot the part where orthodoxy doesn't believe in the transmission of original sin.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you say she didn't sin without the immaculate conception there's no explanation of why she didn't sin.

      It is?
      you forgot the part where orthodoxy doesn't believe in the transmission of original sin.

      People wouldn't sin so much if they weren't born with original sin and evil wills.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because you don't apply the correct version of co-redeemer. I heard this in a sermon

      "Those that say co-redemptrix means that she is adding to or cooperating with our redemption with Christ would be the wrong interpretation of it and it needs to be corrected but to say that our Lady by her free will, her free choice, brought about God and God alone has brought to us redemption is to say the orthodox and correct teaching"

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most Catholics support women's ordination by the way, and almost all independent or old catholic denominations practice it

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >about the veneration of Mary and how it was viewed by Catholics
    I often defend the veneration of Mary by Protestants, but I think it is unquestionable that calling her Queen of Heaven is a step too far, it is as bad as capitalizing her pronouns. In the Gita God is described as the Mother and Father of the cosmos, it follows that He is also the King and Queen of Heaven. Elevating Mary to the level of Queen is nothing less than transforming her into God

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      how to refute you and every topic in less than a paragraph
      In Israel the king's mother was the queen, so Mary is by definition. Furthermore, Christ is King, which automatically makes her Queen Mother.
      yes, you missed sameflag, again.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >In Israel the king's mother was the queen
        Source?
        >Furthermore, Christ is King, which automatically makes her Queen Mother.
        Source?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Calling God the mother is heretical. Heaven is a monarchy so it needs a queen. The king rules the monarchy.

          sameflag of 1.60, do you really want to debate about this? you will be embarrassed. I'm in a good mood and I don't want to humiliate anyone.
          I'll debate you if you even try to refute

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Heaven is a monarchy so it needs a queen
            Who was the queen before Mary? And is it the Son who is the monarch, or the Father?

            >sameflag of 1.60
            Schizobabble.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You didn't understand what I said, stupid.
            complain to God how since the old testament he called himself "king" and king of heaven.
            Well, can I send the sources that corroborate my comment?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, I forbid it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So i won

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Congratulations! Now go do your homework.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I accept your defeat.
            but I really wanted to rub the evidence in your protestant face

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But you can't do that, since I forbid it. It'd be a micro-aggression, just like rubbing your dick in my face.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      OK.
      I agree that there is an excessive veneration of Mary that can turn into "strange" things and that brings many serious problems to society, such as the deification of women, superstition (and motherhood).
      but as they said here, this leaves the roasts without a model, they need a model
      Oh i forgot to say, protbros are wrong:(

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the OP is a feminist hahaha
    The radical rejection of Mary and female saints and their holiness left women without an important role model and took away their role, and this leads us to the degeneration we face now.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >am I obligated to venerate all saints?
    not really, and you probably dont need a reason not to venerate them, but your reasoning for who you pick to venerate is absurd

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and you probably dont need a reason not to venerate them
      Sure?

      >the saints are not a kind of Pantheon
      They are closer to that than anything else, actually. Worship... sorry, veneration is technically optional, but in practice you chose which saints to venerate/call upon as needed, and people/places/countries/organizations can be devoted to specific saints, and they've also also got specific days on which they are routinely venerated etc. This forms the basis of Catholic religion.
      It's all very similar to Greco-Roman religious customs really.

      https://i.imgur.com/mypaZZC.jpeg

      Or really, just look at this and tell me it's not a pantheon.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i dont really get all the catholic rules myself since i'm orthodox, but most of the beliefs concerning saints should be the same
        as long as you believe in the trinity and the teachings of the church, there is nothing that obligates you to show respect to saints or ask for their prayers
        maybe somebody will get mad at you for it or something but why should that impact your beliefs?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not the OP, junior
          I'm showing you how you make mistakes as a Catholic

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            do you just come to these threads to act like a smartass

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >i dont really get all the catholic rules myself since i'm orthodox
          Ah, let me explain.
          How many times have you recited the Orthodox equivalent of the Hail Mary, the Theotokos prayer?

          Literally every practicing Catholic has recited Hail Mary's thousands, even millions of times. Tens of times each time they go to church, sometimes hundreds in one day if they're particularly pious or if the priest has ordered it as penance after confession. This on top of other Marian prayers or devotions that are not automatic.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosary#Praying_the_Rosary
          Look at the rosary. Every pink bead is a Hail Mary (and the big yellow one is Hail Holy Queen.) You're expected to pray several rosaries.

          It's technically "optional" perhaps, in the same sense that Orthodox saying "amen" and making the sign of the cross when the Trinity is mentioned is "optional" and not necessary for salvation, but you'd need a really good explanation for refusing to do it.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We Catholics only give hyperdulia to Mary (dulia being the veneration and reverence due to saints), but latria (worship due to God alone) is reserved only to God, of course.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For Gentiles, the idea of a religion without the Divine Feminine was unfair, so they decided on the veneration of Mary as a compromise. See also the Irish, syncretizing Bridget, the Celtic goddess, and Saint Bridget, who may or may not have been a real person.

    Islam is Judaism on steroids, they have also excised the Divine Feminine from their religion. (The three goddesses Muhammad prays to in The Satanic Verses.) As a result, Islam is a brutally misogynistic religion that treats women like animals.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "christians did ____ because they wanted to stay pagan" is always such moron take considering theres quite a lot of evidence that the early church went out of their way to get rid of as many pagan practices as possible (for example, they would bar instruments from being used in churches, drew architecture in icons purposefully disproportional, etc.)

      >i dont really get all the catholic rules myself since i'm orthodox
      Ah, let me explain.
      How many times have you recited the Orthodox equivalent of the Hail Mary, the Theotokos prayer?

      Literally every practicing Catholic has recited Hail Mary's thousands, even millions of times. Tens of times each time they go to church, sometimes hundreds in one day if they're particularly pious or if the priest has ordered it as penance after confession. This on top of other Marian prayers or devotions that are not automatic.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosary#Praying_the_Rosary
      Look at the rosary. Every pink bead is a Hail Mary (and the big yellow one is Hail Holy Queen.) You're expected to pray several rosaries.

      It's technically "optional" perhaps, in the same sense that Orthodox saying "amen" and making the sign of the cross when the Trinity is mentioned is "optional" and not necessary for salvation, but you'd need a really good explanation for refusing to do it.

      you're right actually, i've heard the rosary prayer once at a catholic funeral and it went on for atleast 10 minutes straight
      compared to that the jesus prayer is more straightforward and only mentions christ
      mary is only mentioned a few times on sunday services, and usually only a few other saints are mentioned aswell

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