>Theist: God is that which is ultimate, which all facts must reference as the necessary precondition, and is a mind.

>Theist: God is that which is ultimate, which all facts must reference as the necessary precondition, and is a mind.
>Atheist: Okay.
>Theist: Does there exist a single fact that does not reference God as the necessary precondition?
>Atheist: Yes.
>Theist: You have implicitly affirmed that God doesn't exist, since all facts must reference him, so prove how it is the case that God does not exist.

How do you respond?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How do we test any of this in the real world?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not something that can be tested, doesn't mean it's not true.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        if it can't be tested, 'true' and 'false' does not apply to it.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is that statement true?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yes. it's an axiom and it can be tested by verifying if it is among the axioms, which it is.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What does it mean to be among axioms

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is how IFLS leaves you. A broken shell of a person, totally unready and unable to use basic critical thinking skills. All that's left is to repeat verbatim what the labcoats tell you is true. Trust soience, love soience, soience is life.

          Imagine unironically believing that truth is nothing but what can be tested. Ridiculous. He literally cannot convince of anything that is true but cannot be tested.

          Like the result of a coin flip that happened 1000 years ago and nobody recorded the result. It had an outcome that truly did happen, but there's no way to prove what it was.

          Therefore it cannot be true that it landed on heads or tails. Patently absurd, but that's just what the hylics want you to accept. Turn off your brain, we will tell you what truth is. Truth is ALWAYS verifiable, and WE are the veritable verifiers.

          Just one example.

          Fedoras have room temperature IQ. They always have. There has never been a fedora that wasn't a mouth breathing simpleton with a stick up his ass.q

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            there is no god and you got circumcised for no reason

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I really don't see the point in arguing with atheists. Their brains just totally shut off if you actually try to engage with them in a logical argument. I mean look at this their entire worldview is based on the assumption that they don't have to argue for their position or use reason, so when you try to engage in a dialogue with them they can't comprehend it. This is like when you try to show a leftist black crime statistics, it isn't a part of the pre-packaged narrative, so their minds don't even register what you're saying.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, this perfectly describes the atheist and not theists. Theists are a group of people, and not people who are just skeptical of your bullshit.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Like I said, you run from every argument. OP tried to engage in a good faith logical dialogue and all you people have in response is "I don't have to prove anything" and "atheists don't actually exist."

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think this is just imprecise gibberish that doesn't accurately portray how language works.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    word salad
    >must reference
    citation needed, presuppositionists are so funny
    >there is a god because there has to be. why? because god said so, ad infinitum
    no god, never was, never will be, go use your "logic" and tell people how your desert demon Yahweh can make illogical things

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >citation needed
      It's the definition of God. God is being defined here as "that which is ultimate, which all facts must reference as the necessary precondition, and is a mind".

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's the definition of God.
        citation needed

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ok, just replace God with "X". What is your objection?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not him, but there's no way to even engage with your thing before you clear up all the ambiguities. See

            It's even worse. What does it mean for a fact to "reference" something in the first place? If by fact the op means a state of affairs, then that's incoherent - states of affairs don't reference anything, utterances do. If by fact he means an utterance concerning a state of affairs, then he needs to specify what sort of reference he's talking about.
            He also never defined "ultimate".

            .

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's even worse. What does it mean for a fact to "reference" something in the first place? If by fact the op means a state of affairs, then that's incoherent - states of affairs don't reference anything, utterances do. If by fact he means an utterance concerning a state of affairs, then he needs to specify what sort of reference he's talking about.
      He also never defined "ultimate".

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    how do you prove all that word salad makes sense? note that claiming it does but I just don't get it isn't an answer since it still fails to distinguish between things too comlex and things that are merely nonsensical.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Okay homosexual, now that you proved that an abstract divine could exist to yourself, prove that your [insert holy book title here] isn't just a bunch of proverbs and fairytales from a less civilized age.

    This needs to be hammered the frick home. The theist retreat into quasi-intellectual pseudery about proving that universe could have a god is but a ruse to distract you from how flimsy and unsubstantiated their holy books are. You know, the holy books that are the actual thing that matters? Because IRL no one fricking cares about the reality god, what they do care is about their unga bunga rutuals and icons. NEVER let a theist weasel out of this with their universe ponderings, unless they expressly admit that the church and their religion is bullshit and instead claim to be some form of deists.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The theist retreat into quasi-intellectual pseudery

      You’re accusing theists of that… in this thread… which starts with straw-manning a grammatically nonsense proposition that no theist group has ever used to try and prove God.
      Your logic is so irrationally circular it’s value is exactly pi.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Once we've established that God must necessarily exist, we can move to discussions about why false conceptions and false gods are false. But if you try to step out of line again and pretend we didn't have this conversation by once again denying God altogether, then we go back to discussing the cosmological arguments again. This continues until everyone is either saved in heaven or burning in hell.

      • 3 weeks ago
        JWanon

        Could you explain why genital mutilation is necessary to not go to this "hell"?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Could you explain why genital mutilation is necessary to not go to this "hell"?
          No because it isn't. Also why are you claiming to be a cultist now?

          • 3 weeks ago
            JWanon

            So, you're saying that the Bible is wrong?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Read Galatians 5.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ESL shitskin that can't coherently string together 3 words trying to define God
    lol

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