There seems to be a pretty strong, data-backed historical consensus that the Irish were the tallest in Europe for at least the 18th and 19th centuries...

There seems to be a pretty strong, data-backed historical consensus that the Irish were the tallest in Europe for at least the 18th and 19th centuries. Although genetics play a part, height is most often an indication of good nutrition, thus I am left wondering how this can be explained in relation to the claim that Ireland was brutally impoverished and specifically kept that way under British rule. There seems to be a disconnect here. Like, what, the Irish were so poor and devastated that they were eating the best of anyone in Europe...? Shouldn't it have been British and chiefly English people being taller?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they were tatermaxxing

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where’s this data you’re referencing?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.nber.org/papers/h0039
      https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/104161/1/lmu-mdp_2005-05.pdf
      Both of these articles, for instance. And even if you just Google 'tallest people in Europe 18th century' or something similar, the results overwhelmingly show it was the Irish.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Potatoes are probably the closest naturally occurring thing to human-food that you can subsist almost entirely on and get most of the way to a nutritionally solid diet. Ireland is also very rich in dairy since it rains 24/7 and therefore has lush, green grass all year round, but peasants would not see much meat from that except elite peasants that might have chickens or pigs.
    But potatoes are the key difference. Ireland got potatopilled en masse at first opportunity while continental Europe was, and mostly still is, breadcucked.
    When I saw what your average French person eats for breakfast suddenly it made sense how they repeatedly got their asses kicked by Brits. Brits were eating their weetabix.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >peasants would not see much meat from that except elite peasants that might have chickens or pigs.
      From https://www.nber.org/papers/h0039, pg 15
      >The mid-18th century Irish diet consisted of dairy products, oatmeal and meats, and in some regions fish and eggs.
      Seems safe to say that meat was readily available and widely accesssible.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Excess height is often caused by malnutrition, which results in hormonal disorders.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Excess height is often caused by malnutrition
      The articles linked above suggest the Irish was in fact highly nutritious - the most so in Europe - not the other way around.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the Irish was in fact highly nutritious
        I thought only the Dutch were cannibals?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Irish diet*
          Sorry. I’m a phone gay so this happens to me more often than not. Makes me look like a fricking ESL.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It’s because the Irish are literally the most Aryan people on the planet and probably resemble the Biblical Nephilim when fed a proper diet and regimen of exercise. This is why the beady eyed Anglo-golem fears the Hibernian BVLL.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Irish invested in a potato-centric diet in the 18th century, which is the most calorie-efficient crop in existence. You can feed - and even fatten - a very large amount of people for a very small amount of agricultural investment, and nutrition is the primary contributor to health and height; think about how much taller Americans got in the 1950s-60s compared to what they were in the 1930s. It was only when their potato crops got blighted that the famine started and really messed the Irish up, and this was exacerbated by the English colonial governor who deliberately prevented shipments of food from England reaching Ireland for the express purpose of winnowing the Irish population.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Did the Irish commoners invest (ie. make that decision for themselves) or was it the nobility/gentry estate landlords who made them do so? Just curious because with the value the plant brought and had, it would make sense if the landlords wanted the tenant commoners to rely on it as their staple crop.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There was a famine in the mid 1700s that killed 40% of the population. Bad Weather destroyed the cereal crops that people relied on and after that potatoes became more common and thought of as more dependable. The blight that affected potatoes wasn't even known of until 2 years or so before the famine in the 1800s and it hit America first before reaching Europe.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the English colonial governor who deliberately prevented shipments of food from England reaching Ireland for the express purpose of winnowing the Irish population
      At the famine’s peak, the British government was feeding over 2 million Irish a day tho.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        source that ridiculous pro-Anglo propaganda claim pls

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          not him but for a population of over 8 million at the time, the government feeding 25% of the population during a time of crisis doesn’t sound impossible or insane or anything honestly

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Absolute lies. Nothing really else to say, except that the government literally closed down free services that were feeding starving people, such as the Quaker soup kitchens, and instead forced people almost dead from starvation to build roads leading to nowhere up the side of hills, in exchange for corn grain. The British government behaved absolutely barbarically and there's no excusing it. But your posts already show you know very very little about Irish history, and what little you do know comes through a heavily pro British filter.

          My bad, it wasn’t 2 million, it was over 3 million. https://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/famine/summer_1847.html

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Absolute lies. Nothing really else to say, except that the government literally closed down free services that were feeding starving people, such as the Quaker soup kitchens, and instead forced people almost dead from starvation to build roads leading to nowhere up the side of hills, in exchange for corn grain. The British government behaved absolutely barbarically and there's no excusing it. But your posts already show you know very very little about Irish history, and what little you do know comes through a heavily pro British filter.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I have heard

          >the English colonial governor who deliberately prevented shipments of food from England reaching Ireland for the express purpose of winnowing the Irish population
          At the famine’s peak, the British government was feeding over 2 million Irish a day tho.

          ’s claim before in a variety of places over the years. Would also like to see someone produce evidence for said claim though. That said, as

          not him but for a population of over 8 million at the time, the government feeding 25% of the population during a time of crisis doesn’t sound impossible or insane or anything honestly

          pointed out, this really doesn’t sound that crazy for a country of +8 million of which like 80% of the population were poor working class agricultural labourers put completely out of work.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the government literally closed down free services that were feeding starving people, such as the Quaker soup kitchens
          Would like to see a source for this claim.
          >instead forced people almost dead from starvation to build roads leading to nowhere up the side of hills
          Work opportunities for relief were standard for famines and times of economic downturn. Not only did governments basically never give handouts to poors back then, rather expecting them to work for aid, but this was also a way of giving people who were otherwise out of work something to do, since the famine meant that many were without work. Would you prefer for your population to sit around and do nothing all day? No, you wouldn’t, and they by far and large wouldn’t want that for themselves either. People generally don’t like being unemployed, and this was especially true prior to our postwar modernity. Even in the 1930s we had this kinds of efforts during the Great Depression. And even further back, for the second-largest famine in Europe during the 19th century, the same exact thing happened in Finland, which at the time was nearly a completely autonomous entity — the parliament did not give out aid freely; they too expected the poors to work for it. And this was in a country where the political elites were of the same ethnicity and religion as the poors they were governing over. Back then things were simply looked at and done differently. It’s not like today where western governments will even give enormous handouts to non-citizen refugees and shit.

          There was a famine in the mid 1700s that killed 40% of the population. Bad Weather destroyed the cereal crops that people relied on and after that potatoes became more common and thought of as more dependable. The blight that affected potatoes wasn't even known of until 2 years or so before the famine in the 1800s and it hit America first before reaching Europe.

          You didn’t really answer his question.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    dairy makes you tall. Simple as. They're kind of known for being wirey and sinewy in addition to being tall, so it's not like they were broad stocky germanics or anglos.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Height is readily modifiable by epigenetics. The Irish have plenty of steppe ancestry, so give them good nutrition consistently and they'll be tall. Similarly, a famine adversely affects epigenetic signals for a couple generations.

    • Dutch People Gained 20cm Of Height In Just 150 Years
    https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/dutch-people-gained-20cm-of-height-in-just-150-years.6374/
    >Dutch people used to be among the shortest as recently as 150 years ago. Now, they are the tallest (on average).

    • Protein Quality, Not Genes, Determine Male Height
    https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/protein-quality-not-genes-determine-male-height.16723/
    >Now this new study adds more evidence to the diet hypothesis as it found a population in my native Balkans that should be (and sometimes is) even taller than the Dutch, but the realization of that potential depends on protein quality. The mountain men whose diet consists mainly of dairy, eggs and meat, realized that potential and are on average taller than the Dutch and thus the tallest in the world. However, the people with the same genes living in the bigger cities and eating commercial crap that passes as food are actually on average some of the shortest in Europe.

    • Height Is Dependent On Diet Quality, Not Genes
    https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/height-is-dependent-on-diet-quality-not-genes.28867/
    >Below is yet another study demonstrating that switching to a diet containing animal protein allowed the Chinese boys to gain ~10cm on average over a period of just 25 years. Considering the 50% height of a 12-year old Chinese boy in 1985 was around 120cm, the ~10cm gain represents a whopping 8% increase in height.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Although genetics play a part, height is most often an indication of good nutrition

    This has never been the case. If you feed your dogs extra chow,they get fat not long.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Extra, not the right stuff let alone in good quality. There’s your problem moron.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >This [commonly accepted fact] is wrong because of [blaise, uninspired anecdote]
      KYS homosexual.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's genetics

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