These new potential Dyson Spheres finds...

It is not a huge assumption to think that an incredibly advanced civilization would gather only the visible light spectrum and let all that infrared energy escape into the vacuum?
Would a well-engineered dyson sphere not be black, invisible, instead for the ultimate efficacy?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm about to watch Anton's video on these new results, let's see what comes of this:

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not sure if so, these are new science results and we're debating what they could be or not dyson spheres. Data interpretation isn't really sci-fi, is it?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Aliens aren't magic, if you encase something in a shell then that shell has to emit the exact same amount of energy out as it's getting from the star, otherwise the temperature keeps going up. The end result of that is extra infrared emissions. If you want to discuss magic then head on over to lit like the other guy said.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >emit
      nor necessarily, it can be transferred out, just like we transfer some energy out of nuclear reactors by piping it out via electrical wires.

      If we're imagining an alien civilization so advanced as to assemble a dyson sphere, are you going to stop short of imagining it capable of converting all EM radiation into useful and transferable energy?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeee.... I think lit is what you want there buck'o'boy

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >yeee.... I think lit is what you want there buck'o'boy
          is this video IQfyerature?

          https://i.imgur.com/gAo7Zb4.jpeg

          I'm about to watch Anton's video on these new results, let's see what comes of this:

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not sure what you mean by that, the video backs up exactly 0 of your insane claims.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not claiming anything. there was a research paper on the possibility that some new detected stars fit some expectations of what a Dyson Sphere would manifest as, namely by releasing, or be transparent, to infrared radiation. That's a hypothetical data interpretation. I only pointed out that:
            >If we're imagining an alien civilization so advanced as to assemble a dyson sphere, are you going to stop short of imagining it capable of converting all EM radiation into useful and transferable energy?
            I'm proposing a hypothesis, don't ask me how to test it, especially since I'm also proposing they'd be invisible since they're not let radiation escape.
            They would though, not be invisible to radar scattering detection, or they might even have an albedo from the radiation emitted by other starts.
            There you go, two falsifiable hypotheses for the future.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes and both of those are insane hypothesis which have no backing what so ever and seem entirely based on that "it would be really cool is like you know scifi and magic was true dude XD"

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >"it would be really cool is like you know scifi and magic was true dude XD"
            >magic
            At no point in this entire thread was such a thing mentioned or even referred to.
            If you don't like this thread, you can leave, it's OK.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No matter what the energy eventually has to be emitted outward from the sphere. Whether it was used to move things inside the sphere or whatever, the energy has to eventually get out. It will almost always be released as infrared or lower in frequency.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >No matter what the energy eventually has to be emitted outward from the sphere.
          So what? No matter what the energy inside a nuclear reactor also has to be piped away via electrical wiring.
          >If we're imagining an alien civilization so advanced as to assemble a dyson sphere, are you going to stop short of imagining it capable of converting all EM radiation into useful and transferable energy?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Could laser it out to obscure it
      Laser into le blackhole?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        exactly, I though of such a process too when I typed this

        >emit
        nor necessarily, it can be transferred out, just like we transfer some energy out of nuclear reactors by piping it out via electrical wires.

        If we're imagining an alien civilization so advanced as to assemble a dyson sphere, are you going to stop short of imagining it capable of converting all EM radiation into useful and transferable energy?

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How would an incredibly advanced civilisation with a dyson sphere deal with these?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Magic mcguffin, the same thing they make their dyson sphere out of

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why would aliens need that much energy, to the point of doing the full Dyson shell thing? What is all that energy going toward?
    If you're advanced and coordinated enough to build a structure like that, you're also capable of things like controlling your population so that it doesn't balloon into the hundreds of trillions

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What is all that energy going toward?
      Computation to generate a virtual multiverse for all your virtual denizens...what else? At a certain point, a civilization outgrows its meatbag existence, attains immortality and indulges in all the benefits of being non-physical.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Technical ability to control their population numbers doesn't mean they will choose to do so. Its not hard to imagine ideological groups that place a strong emphasis on reproducing above replacement levels will eventually will eventually end dominating their species, at least some of the time.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Should also add that this applies to both biological beings, or any potential AI creatures; any AI and/or uploaded intelligence that likes making other intelligences similar to itself will tend to replace AI that does not create new intelligences.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >controlling your population
      >thinking intelligent beings fall for anti-natalist propaganda

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    an actual dyson sphere would not allow any energy to leave and would be undetectable.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >an actual dyson sphere would not allow any energy to leave and would be undetectable.
      yes, my hypothetical as well. OP here
      However, I propose they might have albedos:

      I'm not claiming anything. there was a research paper on the possibility that some new detected stars fit some expectations of what a Dyson Sphere would manifest as, namely by releasing, or be transparent, to infrared radiation. That's a hypothetical data interpretation. I only pointed out that:
      >If we're imagining an alien civilization so advanced as to assemble a dyson sphere, are you going to stop short of imagining it capable of converting all EM radiation into useful and transferable energy?
      I'm proposing a hypothesis, don't ask me how to test it, especially since I'm also proposing they'd be invisible since they're not let radiation escape.
      They would though, not be invisible to radar scattering detection, or they might even have an albedo from the radiation emitted by other starts.
      There you go, two falsifiable hypotheses for the future.

      If we detect an object so large that it should have formed a star, but whose EM radiation profile is alike that of an albedo expected from a massive structure, such as mostly polarized light due to preferential reflections from smooth surfaces for example, then we might be onto something.

      On the other hand, game theory also predicts that such an advanced civilization would take measures to reduce the expected albedo, and avoid detection by potential rival civilizations.

      Though that additional reasoning, they might truly be undetectable.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >would take measures to reduce the expected albedo
        and EM backscattering. Stealth tech, basically.

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