They are the 2 best. But who is the bestest?

They are the 2 best. But who is the bestest?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not even the best in their own country

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They are the 2 best.
      Maybe if your a midwit who doesn't read.

      If you are alluding to Dostoevsky’s worst novels, then, indeed, I dislike intensely The Brothers Karamazov and the ghastly crime and Punishment rigamarole. No, I do not object to soul-searching and self-revelation, but in those books the soul, and the sins, and the sentimentality, and the journalese, hardly warrant the tedious and muddled search. Dostoyevsky’s lack of taste, his monotonous dealings with persons suffering with pre-Freudian complexes, the way he has of wallowing in the tragic misadventures of human dignity – all this is difficult to admire. I do not like this trick his characters have of ”sinning their way to Jesus” or, as a Russian author, Ivan Bunin, put it more bluntly, ”spilling Jesus all over the place." Crime and Punishment’s plot did not seem as incredibly banal in 1866 when the book was written as it does now when noble prostitutes are apt to be received a little cynically by experienced readers. Dostoyevsky never really got over the influence which the European mystery novel and the sentimental novel made upon him. The sentimental influence implied that kind of conflict he liked—placing virtuous people in pathetic situations and then extracting from these situations the last ounce of pathos. Non-Russian readers do not realize two things: that not all Russians love Dostoevsky as much as Americans do, and that most of those Russians who do, venerate him as a mystic and not as an artist. He was a prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. I admit that some of his scenes, some of his tremendous farcical rows are extraordinarily amusing. But his sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes are not to be endured for one moment—by this reader anyway. Dostoyevsky seems to have been chosen by the destiny of Russian letters to become Russia’s greatest playwright, but he took the wrong turning and wrote novels.

      Is anyone even capable of making a worthwhile post on this shit board anymore

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >worthwhile
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        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ukraine lost, piggy

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky would have supported Ukraine, moron.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Tolstoy would have been a "both sides bad" guy, Dostoevsky would have been all in on Russia though he would have despised Dugin

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Tolstoy would have been a "both sides bad" guy
            No, he wasn't an idiot.
            >Dostoevsky would have despised Dugin
            and israelitetin

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >, he wasn't an idiot.
            Yes, he was

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            A hohol drowned in a pool of its own blood while you typed this post

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In Dostoevsky's last essay before he died literally advocated for Russia to invade Asia and create an Empire that could rival the British.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So? Russia was different then i.e. before bolshevism and hoards of muslims and chinks.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Dostoevsky was friends with several Muslims while he was in Siberia. The only people he couldn't stand were Poles.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The only people he couldn't stand were all other Europeans.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He was cool with everyone except Poles, israelites, Catholics, Protestants, Socialists, Writers, Bankers, Journalists, Liberals, the French, the British, and especially Germans.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He seems like a pretty sensible guy then.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Only contrarian shit takes with no explanation is the norm

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Only contrarian shit takes with no explanation is the norm

        I think his criticism is absolutely devastating to Dosto. If you read Dosto's novels, they are chock full of a grotesque macabre fascination with suffering and shame, with murder and sex and the subsequent groveling misery of those who find themselves in such situations. This type of tripe is 100% on the level of a typical harlequin romance novel, but because it's some old Russian who added Christian Orthodox themes as an accent to the sadomasochism, IQfy eats it up. It's perverse.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >This type of tripe is 100% on the level of a typical harlequin romance novel
          Don't romance novels typically have happy endings? That typically doesn't happen in Dostoevsky novels.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Dosto and his fans love misery, so if everyone is miserable at the end it's the same as a happy ending for normal people

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They are Gnostics?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Dosto was Russian Orthodox, and it shows

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Xlebnikov

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >They are the 2 best.
    Maybe if your a midwit who doesn't read.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pelevin

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you are alluding to Dostoevsky’s worst novels, then, indeed, I dislike intensely The Brothers Karamazov and the ghastly Crime and Punishment rigamarole. No, I do not object to soul-searching and self-revelation, but in those books the soul, and the sins, and the sentimentality, and the journalese, hardly warrant the tedious and muddled search. Dostoyevsky’s lack of taste, his monotonous dealings with persons suffering with pre-Freudian complexes, the way he has of wallowing in the tragic misadventures of human dignity – all this is difficult to admire. I do not like this trick his characters have of ”sinning their way to Jesus” or, as a Russian author, Ivan Bunin, put it more bluntly, ”spilling Jesus all over the place." Crime and Punishment’s plot did not seem as incredibly banal in 1866 when the book was written as it does now when noble prostitutes are apt to be received a little cynically by experienced readers. Dostoyevsky never really got over the influence which the European mystery novel and the sentimental novel made upon him. The sentimental influence implied that kind of conflict he liked—placing virtuous people in pathetic situations and then extracting from these situations the last ounce of pathos. Non-Russian readers do not realize two things: that not all Russians love Dostoevsky as much as Americans do, and that most of those Russians who do, venerate him as a mystic and not as an artist. He was a prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. I admit that some of his scenes, some of his tremendous farcical rows are extraordinarily amusing. But his sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes are not to be endured for one moment—by this reader anyway. Dostoyevsky seems to have been chosen by the destiny of Russian letters to become Russia’s greatest playwright, but he took the wrong turning and wrote novels.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      intensely based tbh

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        [...]
        I think his criticism is absolutely devastating to Dosto. If you read Dosto's novels, they are chock full of a grotesque macabre fascination with suffering and shame, with murder and sex and the subsequent groveling misery of those who find themselves in such situations. This type of tripe is 100% on the level of a typical harlequin romance novel, but because it's some old Russian who added Christian Orthodox themes as an accent to the sadomasochism, IQfy eats it up. It's perverse.

        his criticism is trite dogshit.
        Nobokov's israelite blood was just buttblasted just like you.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Dosto is essentially sadomasochistic, he loves dwelling on characters who revel in how depraved they are, but who also prostrate themselves in the just punishment or humiliation of their depravity. Again, sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes imply the exact situation he adored, all the violence and sexual intrigue he desired so much, but with the approval of his super ego since they ritualistically degrade themselves in a kind of spiritual fetishistic pleasure in confessing, being punished, and then being "redeemed". It's lurid and partakes of a sick kind of gratification in self flagellation.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lenin was barely 10 years old when Dostoyevsky died.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >10 years and 9 1/2 months
      >barely 10

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And yet Dostoevsky included him as a character in Demons

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He still deserves it.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Both have terrible style, both ideas are shit. Dosto is worst.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Do you believe in God?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The true question is if God believes in us

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nah, that's a stupid wannabe Yoda question. That's not profound, sorry

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lurk more

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, I'm going to lurk less

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Never making a thread on this board again it's 25 posts and no one has even responded to the fricking question

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Doctor Evskiy, I'm L.E.O.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is the Russian language so good, litbros.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Im waking to realisation dostoevsky might not be for me, pah saying it really takes a load off, it is also sad I wanted like him. I read C&P and did not at all related with anyone, felt little sad for Katrina and kids, Im reading demons and it is little better. Ive read Les Mis and Count of monte cristo and both of those "flowed" I could easily read them but these dont do so, I did suffer a little in les mis but it had its highs. There was no high in C&P, it is really sad I wanted to love dosto I headged many hopes in him. Maybe it is because i was never christain. He is great observer of people I would say and i do agree with how he paints them.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It very much is not for everyone. No shame in that. You might find that you relate to it more later in your life, or maybe not. Worth at least trying again after some years have passed

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You suppose so? even If I may never be christian since im not from a christian nation and may always remain an atheist? With time Im sure Ill easily be able to read harder english. also what history am I supposed to know before reading, in Les Mis and Count I knew general history and that helped, but I only know russian history on surface.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dostoyevsky is better in my opinion, but Tolstoy is still very good. Don’t worry about the contrarians itt, it’s just the cool new thing to hate on D&T ever since the psueds discovered that Lermontov and Gogol exist.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I see them as two halves of one coin. Why couldn't God just have made Dostoevsky and Tolstoy one person? Then we would've had the greatest author ever.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It is always debated who was the better writer but it is never talked about who would have won in a fight to the death in the best moment of both?
    Personally, I think Dostoyevsky would win because, even though Tolstoy has military experience, Dostoyevsky had to survive 10 years in Siberia almost alone.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Young Dostoevsky would definitely kill young Tolstoy. Old Dostoevsky would have problems since he had epilepsy and was constantly bedridden.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Young Dostoevsky would definitely kill young Tolstoy. Old Dostoevsky would have problems since he had epilepsy and was constantly bedridden.

      Dosto would challenge Tolstoy to a duel, regret it the next morning, let Tolstoy take the first shot and then throw his pistol in the tall grass and run away

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tolstoy has military experience, so probably him at best, but Dosto is definitely much taller and went through a lot of torment and hardship, so he definitely has the endurance to handle to Tolstoy for a while, but can’t say if he can overpower and turn the tide if Tolstoy gets exhausted in time. This is my analysis on the death-match from what I know although.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Absolutely mogged by Gogol and Pushkin

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i fell like tolstoy has a better understanding of human mature. dostoevsky writes everyone as profoundly neurotic and impulsive, but kind and vulnerable deep, deep down in their souls.
    i get that he does it from a christian point of view, and he's generally spot on with most female characters, but it's otherwise naive. i feel like he is just a feminine guy who projects his personality on everyone else
    t. i am and do the same

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >i fell
      stopped reading there

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ilf and Petrov 🙂

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