This tips the scale

What made you believe in god
for me it's the fact that there are patterns in nature
that tipped the scale for me
I just don't see how a darwinic world of randomness can produce this

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    True, we have a creator. I want to push back though, OP, why do patterns mean that we have a creator? Why ascribe agency to natural processes? Or rather, why should these processes depend on a conscious entity with a will and intent?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fine tuning and the existence of algorithmic patterns which means there is probably something transcendental and supernatural to reality to justify breaking the rule of cause and effect, are excellent arguments to tip the balance in the favor of god's existence.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        lmao this guy fricking cv pasting my post

        heres some help cv pasted by myself without breaking copyright this time

        >if God exists, then everything else, reason wise, is preserved.
        If god doesn't exist, then EVERYTHING is fricked up nonsense. Which means than a magical ruler from the nothing, is more resonable than magical rules from nothing.Rules have no reason to be in nothingness. Atleast god is justified by his transcendental aspect. A magical miracle is more believeable than a non-magical miracle. And god hypothesis preserves reason more than no god hypothesis.

        Without a transcendental god there is no cause and effect, no difference between existence and non existence, no reason, since anything can spawn from nothing for no reason

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If there's that much order then there's no free will either.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you re free to gamble your life away for nothing in the name of things you re not completely sure of. but if I ask you 52 or 355, it will be difficult to defend before the jury that you choose 52 because of your genes and your childhood, especially when you could change back to another number at any point in time without restriction. but these are choices without consequences, so maybe it's more about natural selection. maybe dumb trash will just go to the trash dump regardles s of free will. remember do prioritize what can be useful instead of losing yourself into trying to justify useless things because you re controlled by low level reptile impulses when you ve been given a superior brain thats allows you to do more than that. responsiblity is a relative thing usually proportional to knowledge. these things are out of bounds for us humans anyway. useless talk. only people who try to rationalize rape. but shouldnt you do your homework to know if its a good choice ?

            you may be enslaved by fate, but inside fate, acting like you arn't definitely gives you an amount of control that changes what happens to you. you may think you re not responsible because no free will, but you still go though the flames of consequences

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's a big wall of cope.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you can't outdebate me and you re probably a bot set up by a fat bald single man

            >low level reptile impulses
            Why do we even have those to begin with?

            moronic question

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Debate, you're literally just seething.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            god gave us a reptile brain?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            and a human brain to control the reptile brain your point being

            https://i.imgur.com/hKJAgxv.jpeg

            Debate, you're literally just seething.

            dumb bot

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So the good is not omnipotent?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >and a human brain to control the reptile brain your point being
            which part has the free will?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >low level reptile impulses
            Why do we even have those to begin with?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            God's wiener. Adam was cucked.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >If god doesn't exist, then EVERYTHING is fricked up nonsense
          like the bible?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            at this point i'm starting to think than atheists talk more about the bible than christians

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            well christians usually haven't read the bible

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Have you?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Which means than a magical ruler from the nothing, is more resonable than magical rules from nothing.
          Even theists believe in the existence of necessary truths. Even though God is omnipotent, he can't make 1+1=2 or true=false, because these are necessary truths. If you accept these exist, then why do you think other things, like physical constants e.g. the speed of light and gravity can't originate from these necessary truths? God is just a middleman.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            because god is supernatural and a supernatural explanation fits better the breaking of rules /nature.

            and if god is, then everything else is srtill reasonable and stems for laws from god. without god then the necessary truths are everything and anything, anything can spawn out of nothing for no reason, you break cause and effet and all reasoning. with god you break it only one time with god, without god, everything falls apart.

            at the end if there is a magical miraculous necessary truth then it fits better a magical supernatural being than just nature being like that for no reason despite being natural without anything more to it

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            also i could reverse it on you :

            >If you accept these exist, then why do you think other things, like Godcan't originate from these necessary truths? physics are just a middleman.

            like you said its both, so you chave to think to come up with argument to see if one is better than the other. for the arguments that I have given, god is a superior explanation and necessary to retain reason as much as possible. if you advocate than anything can go from no nexistence to existence or fro mrandomness to pattern for no reason at all, everywhere, everytime, then you re using reason to say that reason does not exist, which is fallacious. god is one explanation/exception, no god breaks all reason and using reason to say reason doesnt exist is circular. you re basically sayign that things dont need a reason, there is no such thing as reasoning, then use that to explain rleigious people that there is no god because you don't have proofs etc, can't you see the problem here?

            it's not ONE necessary truth. you re breaking the whole fricking thing

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Patterns in nature are just the consequences of natural laws existing, which has nothing to do with the existence of god

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      see

      lmao this guy fricking cv pasting my post

      heres some help cv pasted by myself without breaking copyright this time

      >if God exists, then everything else, reason wise, is preserved.
      If god doesn't exist, then EVERYTHING is fricked up nonsense. Which means than a magical ruler from the nothing, is more resonable than magical rules from nothing.Rules have no reason to be in nothingness. Atleast god is justified by his transcendental aspect. A magical miracle is more believeable than a non-magical miracle. And god hypothesis preserves reason more than no god hypothesis.

      Without a transcendental god there is no cause and effect, no difference between existence and non existence, no reason, since anything can spawn from nothing for no reason

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's a bunch of nonsese; you finding the lack of meaning uncomfortable isn't an argument

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you didnt respond to anything with a proper counter argument which makes me think you d be incredibly easy to beat in debate

          https://i.imgur.com/a4WblGu.jpeg

          So the good is not omnipotent?

          god doesn't have to be omnipotent, he just has to be powerful enough

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So he is finite, got it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            infinite in some ways, but to say things like can god kill himself or eat a pizza so hut he burns himself is just moronation

            >and a human brain to control the reptile brain your point being
            which part has the free will?

            reptile works on impulse and front part works on reason (if you use it)

            in your case your front part is slave to the back part because you re inferior genetic shite or a bunch of stuff happened to you that made you moronic

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Just another seething moron who got BTFO.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            im the one who BTFO'd you, your onyl argument is pretending you won when you lost, relying on others approval rather than knowing to be right

            weak

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            More cope & seethe.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >reptile works on impulse and front part works on reason (if you use it)
            which one works on free will?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Your argument from emotion is not worth engaging

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            0 argument from emotion, all backed up, which you can say nothing against which is why you resort to protecting your self and rhetoric

            >reptile works on impulse and front part works on reason (if you use it)
            which one works on free will?

            compeltely free of influence none since if you had no influence you would be dead and you probably couldnt die or even enjoy life. but in terms of responsibility its the front part which is why when someone is so dysfunctional like heavily handicapped and cant think we dont deem them responsible. if humans can do it im sure god could manage

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            God doesn't judge the handicapped?
            No wonder you love him so much
            When are you too handicapped to have free will?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >God doesn't judge the handicapped?
            >No wonder you love him so much

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            he would judge according to how much he would judge, people are handicapped differently. i think handicapping yourself would be cheating the game and trying to fool god while being immoral since you reduce your life and ability on purpose. hitting yourself on the head isnt much more moral than hitting others

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So we all have free will just some people have more free will than others?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i dotn think in absolutes like you do, i think people have degrees of responsibility. it sounds crazy to you because you re dumb as a brick but most things are relative

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So God is not absolute, got it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i wasnt even talking about god

            >got it
            you re not trying to reason, you re trying to poke like a kid and get stupid gotchas because you know its all you can get since im much wiser than you and you seek to feed your ego to not feel bad

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So you can't answer the question because you're genuinely dumb, got it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i answered and thats wasnt even a question. you say god isnt absolute and i told you that i wasnt even talking about god.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But answer the question, is he absolute or not?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Isn't free will an absolute?
            Are there shades of free will?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you have some decision and some influence but it cannot be compeltely devoid of anything by essence becaus eit it was you wouldnt even have a will. you wouldnt prefer anything to anything else, not even existence or non existence. if you had no will every choice would be like 56 or 78? jhshkfs or ojipjidsrg? choices without consequences that wouldnt generate feelings. only god has total free shit and even then who knows. ianswer this way because you oppose free will to being a completely irresponsible slave, disregarding that there is room in between

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Can you give me an example of a choice you can only make with free will

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >all this cope about god existing and not one good reason why you should worship israelitegod and pay tithes for jetsetter pedopriests

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >patterns
    Simply the most efficient ways of doings things. Not some kind of aesthetic choice.
    The complexification process works on trial & error

    Pic rel is a sunflower in its male phase, it opens it first opens its stigma to spread pollen then it opens its female florets to catch other flower's pollen and grow seeds. It's arranged that way for the flowers to bear as many seeds as possible compacted on the surface of the pad. The florets on the middle part of the circle are still immature and closed up "collaspsing" inward like a spiral. It could also somewhat play a role in visually attracting insect pollinators by making their presence more noticeable alongside its big yellow petals using sunlight to appear ever brighter. All so that some bee or fly lands and rubs on its pollen.
    The evolutionary benefit of growing as many seeds as possible is obvious to understand.
    >but it looks pretty!!!
    We're talking about plant genitals here btw

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      these patterns ar ereflections or greater patterns calle dthe will of god by the father of physics which show the very probable existence of god in two ways: necessary transcendance to maximally preserve reason, and fine tuning

      ciao noob

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Efficiency is beautiful, God made it so.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Here is the most efficient way for a worm to fix on your intestinal walls and suck up your nutrients.
        Is it still beautiful to you? All this efficiency

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For me, it was the Munchhausen trilemma. I hit my edgy atheist years and studied logic some until I got to the Munchhausen trilemma. I realized that there were two options, essentially:
    >accept that I can never know anything
    >arbitrarily assume a small number of axioms and build my worldview from that

    The first leads to agnosticism and the second forces you to say
    >if I am comfortable just assuming these things, how is that any better/worse than assuming God exists?
    We ultimately believe what we have to in order to make ourselves feel good. Believing in God makes me feel good so I am comfortable accepting that axiom (making that leap of faith).

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So Dunning Kruger?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I was an edgy atheist until i realized i was happier being moronic
      Well good for you i guess

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How is assuming God exists any more/less moronic than assuming Euclid's axioms? You have no proof for either.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          When would i have to assume Euclid's axioms?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Sociology depends on psychology depends on biology depends on chemistry depends on physics depends on geometry depends on Euclid's axioms
            Uhh in basically any scientific endeavor?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How is assuming Russell's teapot exists any more moronic than assuming God exists?

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gey

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I just don't see how a darwinic world of randomness can produce this
    A flower mutates and starts to grow in fractal patterns, which happens to be an efficient structure, fractal flower reproduces more successfully than non-fractal flowers and after a while fractal growth has become the norm for that species.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The point is that these patterns exist in the first place, and that things in nature tend to them in order to thrive and flourish. Isn't that incredible? Life orients itself to order.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In many ways (but not always) it orients itself towards efficiency that we as humans happen to find beautiful because we like repeating patterns.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          We said nothing different.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Do you attribute these things to religion or evolution?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That question makes no sense.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Do you think these patterns exist in nature because God specifically created them to be that way or do you think God doesn't exist and things just evolved to have these patterns?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What do you mean by God? As in some bearded man in the sky? Of course not. If you mean an eternal source whose nature is unknowable, and from which everything else stems, yes. There is something which underlies everything else, and it cannot be defined in any human terms.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >What do you mean by God? As in some bearded man in the sky?
            The Abrahamic God, a conscious omnipotent deity with an agenda.
            >If you mean an eternal source whose nature is unknowable, and from which everything else stems, yes. There is something which underlies everything else, and it cannot be defined in any human terms.
            What makes you certain something like this exists? Is it conscious? Is life intelligent design or is it a long chain of fortunate events?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Abrahamic God
            Why can't we have ONE good conversation about deism without this homosexual getting brought into the mix?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            When people talk about God, capital G, they're usually referring to the Abrahamic God.

            >The Abrahamic God, a conscious omnipotent deity with an agenda.
            The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob did not start out conceptually as the omnipotent creator of heaven and earth.
            >What makes you certain something like this exists?
            As studying philosophy for years, even in a professional manner, I realized that there is nothing we can be certain of. It's the first and greatest axiom of philosphy: I know that I know nothing. I have no clue about whether or not it is conscious, nor whether it has any will, so to speak.

            >The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob did not start out conceptually as the omnipotent creator of heaven and earth.
            I'd say the majority of people would say that God is portrayed as all-knowing, all-powerful, all-this and that, that is how we know him today, not as some minor deity afraid of iron chariots.
            >As studying philosophy for years, even in a professional manner, I realized that there is nothing we can be certain of. It's the first and greatest axiom of philosphy: I know that I know nothing. I have no clue about whether or not it is conscious, nor whether it has any will, so to speak.
            But why do you think it even exists, conscious or not?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >when people talk about God (derives from Wotan/Gotan) they are talking about a sand cult in the mideast
            Do you even hear yourself?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If you ask someone if they believe in God and they say yes is your assumption that they mean Odin and that they assume that you are also referring to Odin? Or are other gods almost always specifically referred to by name, or a collective like Norse godS, Greek pantheon etc?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wotan/Gotan is fake as well

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If you ask someone if they believe in God and they say yes is your assumption that they mean Odin and that they assume that you are also referring to Odin? Or are other gods almost always specifically referred to by name, or a collective like Norse godS, Greek pantheon etc?

            >everything revolves around my abrahamic penis cult!!!!
            Cope

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >But why do you think it even exists, conscious or not?
            It follows that a universe which is in flux, seems (seems does not mean is) to have a beginning, and whose laws are eternal is likewise energized by something eternal. This should not be controversial. It is only controversial when you presume that it is the God of Abraham.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It follows that a universe which is in flux, seems (seems does not mean is) to have a beginning, and whose laws are eternal is likewise energized by something eternal.
            Can't the universe just always have been there? No matter if you go with your living eternal universe explanation or God we hit the same questions as problems as with the big bang, something must have created the creator, and if the creator has always been there then that explanation also works for a completely atheistic universe. Out of curiosity, do you take psychedelics?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The Abrahamic God, a conscious omnipotent deity with an agenda.
            The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob did not start out conceptually as the omnipotent creator of heaven and earth.
            >What makes you certain something like this exists?
            As studying philosophy for years, even in a professional manner, I realized that there is nothing we can be certain of. It's the first and greatest axiom of philosphy: I know that I know nothing. I have no clue about whether or not it is conscious, nor whether it has any will, so to speak.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob did not start out conceptually as the omnipotent creator of heaven and earth.
            The very first chapters of Genesis are YHWH creating the world and everything in it.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Look up the Documentary Hypothesis. A good example is Genesis 14:22, in which Melchizedek blesses Abram in the name of El Elyon, maker of heaven and earth. The Tetragrammaton was added in later, since we have evidence from the Samaritan Pentateuch who puts in Elohim and I believe the Septuagint that it was not there.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Documentary Hypothesis
            What does that have to do with the objective fact that the Bible depicts YHWH as the all powerful creator of the cosmos?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Bible is a compilation of books
            >Books are from different periods and authors
            >Isaiah, which especially highlights Yah as the Demiurge is composed of three different texts
            >Genesis is a compilation of earlier texts from Israel and Judah
            >Goes through a process of redaction and synthesis
            >Transmission streams also have scribes editing parts
            >Traces of older Canaanite faith found
            >Hence Genesis 14:22 and Deuteronomy 32:8 being edited where El Elyon and not Yah is depicted as the qoneh (literally begetter) of heaven and earth, gods and men.

            >It follows that a universe which is in flux, seems (seems does not mean is) to have a beginning, and whose laws are eternal is likewise energized by something eternal.
            Can't the universe just always have been there? No matter if you go with your living eternal universe explanation or God we hit the same questions as problems as with the big bang, something must have created the creator, and if the creator has always been there then that explanation also works for a completely atheistic universe. Out of curiosity, do you take psychedelics?

            It can just have always been there, but it seems to have had a beginning. And no, I do not take psychedelics nor any kind of drugs.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Demiurge
            Frick off, gn*stic.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            moron, I'm talking about a fashioner of heaven and earth, beyond good and evil, and not the Platonic concept.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's a new christian cope were basically they claim god created logic and order. Then when nature follow a pattern even if it can be explained naturally the christians will claim that it's still god that created logic and order so nature still proves god
            Yes i know it sounds moronic but it's a cope of theirs
            A lot of presup bros use this

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Abrahamic God
            Why can't we have ONE good conversation about deism without this homosexual getting brought into the mix?

            Christians try to use deist argument to convince atheists and then argue that it's their deity. It does not logically follow, nor can it ever be proved anyway. Whether or not God exists is not a moral question, there is no real consequence for believing in God or not, though it has become one because it is the whole foundation of Abrahamic value systems.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Didn't read. Not an abrahamic so this doesn't really affect me (other than when some edgy atheist homosexual tries to project his repressed abrahamic tendencies onto me)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is what convinced me
        Atoms is another example of this
        How tf would there be atomic numbers without god?? Just doesn't make sense
        Also how tf would there be magnetic poles without god.
        Atheist really deny nature when you think abou tit

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Atheist really deny nature when you think abou tit
          Aren't you the one denying nature by attributing naturally occurring phenomenon to SUPERNATURAL forces?

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For me, it was learning about the 17 million people that died in the holocaust.
    If you can kill 17 million people, the only person who could ever stop you is god.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >holocaust
      a LOT of redpills about the holocaust, in one video:

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh, I did the hard spiritual stuff instead of believing in Fairy tales.
    So I'm God now.

    How does It feel? To know you knelt in vain hoping for gibs?

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Other way around, moron. Symmetrical things are pretty to us because they're indicators of health and efficiency. They aren't beautiful per se but we've evolved them to perceive them as such. Also the world is full of nastu disgusting bugs, microbes etc of all kind, patterns occur along with many more random things in the bag, so you've also made a cherrypicking fallacy.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >patterns in nature
    So why did YHWH produce israelites and trannies?

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >patterns
    Something we recognize from abstraction, not something that exists in the concrete. Sunflowers form arrangements to suit their needs for efficient reproduction fitting the most seeds physically possible on their pad that just so happen to resemble a mathematical pattern. Their arrangement may look like the mathematical pattern from afar but when looked up close it has "flaws". Damaged, undersized or oversized florets that may tilt one direction or the other. It's all biological.
    There are no perfect spheres or perfect cubes anywhere in nature. Only balls & blocks.
    It only looks like it to us with our limited perfection filling gaps in our mind with abstractive thoughts.

    You might not get the implications of that straight away and it's normal since we're conditioned to think of the world abstractly by our own biology.
    The world is not some super complex rational machine, it's a silly fuzzball that is as is and does as it does ; stuff that can happen happens and stuff that cannot won't.
    Plato may have been a realist but his allegory of the cave somewhat illustrates how we see the world ifthe cave is your brain, the shadows(perception) are cast by light coming from outside the cave(the concrete world) with someone(your conscious self) loosely painting over the shadows(abstraction) and calling it an image of what's outside. Well it's a bit too complex to fit in a single allegory.
    Like a woman without makeup expect your vision is blurry you add the makeup in your head as some idealized absract version of what she really is like, a silly flesh ball.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Radiochan

    it produces it because it's the best for that organism's continued survival.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Order cannot emerge from chaos!!!
    And who decided that?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      God is the ultimate decider
      decisions wouldn't exist without god

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But he doesn't exist...

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          God is the ultimate exister
          existing would exist without god

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      god. it just is like that. your gif doesnt disprove it at all and you gotta be really fricking biased as frick, or really dumb as frick to believe it does

      https://i.imgur.com/E9ff2IJ.jpeg

      >patterns
      Something we recognize from abstraction, not something that exists in the concrete. Sunflowers form arrangements to suit their needs for efficient reproduction fitting the most seeds physically possible on their pad that just so happen to resemble a mathematical pattern. Their arrangement may look like the mathematical pattern from afar but when looked up close it has "flaws". Damaged, undersized or oversized florets that may tilt one direction or the other. It's all biological.
      There are no perfect spheres or perfect cubes anywhere in nature. Only balls & blocks.
      It only looks like it to us with our limited perfection filling gaps in our mind with abstractive thoughts.

      You might not get the implications of that straight away and it's normal since we're conditioned to think of the world abstractly by our own biology.
      The world is not some super complex rational machine, it's a silly fuzzball that is as is and does as it does ; stuff that can happen happens and stuff that cannot won't.
      Plato may have been a realist but his allegory of the cave somewhat illustrates how we see the world ifthe cave is your brain, the shadows(perception) are cast by light coming from outside the cave(the concrete world) with someone(your conscious self) loosely painting over the shadows(abstraction) and calling it an image of what's outside. Well it's a bit too complex to fit in a single allegory.
      Like a woman without makeup expect your vision is blurry you add the makeup in your head as some idealized absract version of what she really is like, a silly flesh ball.

      midwit

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Happy now that you used the epic buzzword against him? Because we know that in le epic /r/ Christianity subreddit bell curve meme all the 150 IQ geniuses are Christians like you, right?

        What’s next, muh fedura?

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I just don't see how a darwinic world of randomness can produce this
    Have you tried to find out? Like, learn about the processes that produce this pattern and others? It's often not as mysterious as it seems.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_pattern Pity British killed this dude and in the modern world failed to create more people as smart as him.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      these arise form the patterns of laws of physics, u dumb as hell bro

      Happy now that you used the epic buzzword against him? Because we know that in le epic /r/ Christianity subreddit bell curve meme all the 150 IQ geniuses are Christians like you, right?

      What’s next, muh fedura?

      0 argument + im not christian nor religious, problem?

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I don't understand X
    >Therefore magic israelite

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    god is when basic patterns?

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >for me it's the fact that there are patterns in nature
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so now we have faux theists posting with the sole purpose of being as annoying as they can be?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No true theist fallacy

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        exactly what a troll would say.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      you can believe in god without having a religion morono you can even beleive in some pascal wager typê of shit and collect valhalla coins for your heaven retirement plan

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I started believing in God because of personal ignorance
    average theist

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Op all of nature is fractals and patterns, it would actually be sign of intelligent design if things had no patterns

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