Trans people in history

Did they exist back then or is it a modern thing? Was pic related trans?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    He has a moustache which is very manly

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        People judge things from Ancient History through modern lerns. Heliogabalus was probably autogynephiliac ("trans" is a very contemporary concept, less than 100 years old), and that's only if if the Senators who hated him were telling the truth about his sexual habits, we will never be sure.
        Overall I'm disappointed in modern Academics who are so fixated in guessing what were the sexual habits of historical figures. "Alexander the Great was gay", "Leonardo da Vinci was gay", "Heliogabalus was trans". Just shut the frick up for a second and stop using contemporary adjectives such as "gay" and "trans" when it comes to historical figures. If you were to time travel to Roman times and ask Heliogabalus if he was trans or not he wouldn't know how to reply because the concept of "transgenderism" was alien for Ancient Romans. Of course this doesn't mean that there weren't males who sucked wiener or take it in the ass back then but they didn't understand sexuality the same way we do, so it's very hard to know for sure since the primary sources from that time use very different lenses than what we use to judge sexuality.

        doesnt look very feminine

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Gender nonconformism certainly existed and dysphoria most likely as well, however the modern day trans identity is a completely modern construct, born out of post-WW2 liberalism, post-OWS bioleninism and post-Civil Rights Movement social climate that fetishizes the Victim and demonizes "traditional" (puritan Christian) sexual morality

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah they are existed. It was part of pure and true Aryan culture

    > The Enarei, singular Enaree (Ancient Greek: Ἐνάρεες Enárees,[2][3] Ἀναριεῖς Anarieîs,[4] derived from the Iranian term *anarya, meaning "unmanly"[5]), were Scythian androgynous/effeminate priests and shamanistic soothsayers who played an important role in the Scythian religion.

    > The Enarei performed Artimpasa's cult and played an important political role in Scythian society as they were believed to have received the gift of prophesy directly from the goddess Artimpasa (conflated by Herodotus with Aphrodite).[6] The Enarei wore women's clothing, performed women's jobs and customs and spoke in a feminine manner.[7][1] They were accepted and revered in Scythian society.[6]

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Doesn't really count. We don't know whether this was caused by dysphoria, or fetishism, or religious dogma.
      We don't even know if they thought they were women. Maybe they saw themselves as feminine men, or men who impersonate women?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The Aryans were indians. Just more proof that pajeets are homosexuals.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    People judge things from Ancient History through modern lerns. Heliogabalus was probably autogynephiliac ("trans" is a very contemporary concept, less than 100 years old), and that's only if if the Senators who hated him were telling the truth about his sexual habits, we will never be sure.
    Overall I'm disappointed in modern Academics who are so fixated in guessing what were the sexual habits of historical figures. "Alexander the Great was gay", "Leonardo da Vinci was gay", "Heliogabalus was trans". Just shut the frick up for a second and stop using contemporary adjectives such as "gay" and "trans" when it comes to historical figures. If you were to time travel to Roman times and ask Heliogabalus if he was trans or not he wouldn't know how to reply because the concept of "transgenderism" was alien for Ancient Romans. Of course this doesn't mean that there weren't males who sucked wiener or take it in the ass back then but they didn't understand sexuality the same way we do, so it's very hard to know for sure since the primary sources from that time use very different lenses than what we use to judge sexuality.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Heliogabalus was probably autogynephiliac
      he was HSTS actually

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >autogynephiliac
      Mostly likely not even that. Since as far as I know we have no sources, whether material or written other than Cassius Dio which suggest he identified as anything other than male.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's a modern thing that stems from a lack of proper identity. In the past people built their identities on their religion, their family, and their trade. Sex was what they were, not who they were.

  6. 2 years ago
    OP

    No it's new. They were pagan only.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    There were homosexuals who believed they would be happier as the opposite sex, sexually fetishized it or a combination of both. However the idea they were actually women never seemed to be popular, in various cultures they were considered men or some third gender. The distinction between biological sex and gender identity is a wholly modern invention by a certain John Money, responsible for the case of David Reimer.

    David Reimer lost his penis during a botched circumcision and under the advice of Money had his testicles removed and was raised as a girl. Money would proceed to sexually abuse David and his twin brother, allegedly as part of the process of affirming David's new gender, both would commit suicide as a result of the psychological torture. He is the "founding father" of the transsexual movement, while I disagree with /misc/ on factual grounds that most transsexuals are "groomers" or that homosexuality is a choice, it certainly casts doubt on the whole modern conception of transsexualism in the mind of any reasonable person.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Priests of cybele seems to have believed they were literally women but it seems like everyone else simply believed they were a third gender like you say

      > A gallus (pl. galli) was a eunuch priest of the Phrygian goddess Cybele (Magna Mater in Rome) and her consort Attis, whose worship was incorporated into the state religious practices of ancient Rome. Because the galli castrated themselves and wore women's clothing, accessories and makeup, some modern scholars have interpreted them as transgender.

      > Maternus said "they say they are not men... they want to pass as women." He elaborated, "Animated by some sort of reverential feeling, they actually have made this element [air] into a woman [Caelestis, the goddess]. For, because air is an intermediary between sea and sky, they honor it through priests who have womanish voices."[22]

      > The galli may also have occupied a "third gender" in Roman society. Jacob Latham has connected the foreign nature of Magna Mater and her priests' nonconforming gender presentation. They may have existed outside Roman constructions of masculinity and femininity altogether, which can explain the adverse reactions of Roman male citizens against the galli's transgression of gender norms.[23]

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Trannies realise that trannies were super rare in the past, which is why they now try to claim eunuchs throughout history as their own. They realise they’re severely lacking in ancient and medieval representation.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Very problematic. Methinks need a quota to solve this problem.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    that homosexual still got killed by pretorian chads

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    1. Trans person is an oxymoron
    2. They had a city and it rained fire and brimstone there

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