Trinitarianism is impossible and exposes Christianity as a shitty cult

>The trinity is one of the most complicated concepts in Christianity so I wouldn't put too much stress into understanding it immediately just begin reading the Bible, start with the new testament then move back to the old and then re-read the new, also google stuff you don't understand obviously. Use King James version btw.

How is this any different from any other fricking moronic cult like Mormonism or Scientology starting off by telling people about Joseph Smith or sending them to a psychology meeting so they are slowly eased into the moronic bullshit of their cult rather than telling them about Thetans and everyone becoming their own Gods/White jesus in America outright in case the new convert spits the dummy?

In fact Christianity, as fabricated by the fake apostle "Paul" (whose epistles are the only non-anonymously authored parts of the New Testament) was the original and the template for all other such cults.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >In fact Christianity, as fabricated by the fake apostle "Paul"
    If Paul invented Christianity, and the gospels are all made up then tell me who Jesus was OP. What happened to him, and what did he do in life?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      My guess is he was some israelite who tried to rally the israelites against Romans occupiers and pharisees who was probably influenced by similar contemporary movements such as the Essenes, who was then put to death by the authorities for talking shit, blasphemy or being a rabble-rouser I'm guessing. Plenty of israeli chimpouts and dissidents in those says, look at the Kitos War or Bar Kokhba. And plenty of similar cults and religious societies like Orphism or the Essenes. Hell maybe Jesus was even a Pythagorean I don't know.

      The problem is that all the sources have been heavily rewritten and fricked with over the centuries. And most of the Classical World's literature is now lost anyway. I am pretty sceptical of any historical accounts from before like 1500 AD.

      Islam is retconned bullshit too btw:

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >history has been falsified so I get to talk with greater authority than temporary texts

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Those contemporary texts are the ancient version of Guardian articles homosexual. Imagine trying to cover the history of the past 25 years off of those.
          The possibilities I just stated are the product of actual critical research into the time period, which is more than can be said for brain-damaged morons looking to prove a specific conclusion from the outset because they believe in a deranged Iron Age goatfricker religion which says said rabblerouser was the son of God and died as a human stress-ball for our sins.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There were different traditions and methodologies of research, analysis, and textual criticism back then too. You don't know your subject matter very well I'm afraid. Try reading any two different chronicles from the same language/time period and you'll understand what I'm talking about.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So what's your actual argument? That the historicity of a Jesus is reliable?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Everything in NT is historically accurate. Thank you for conceding.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >evidence for the resurrection
            >*crickets*

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There's evidence. You're just not smart enough to interpret it. Pray for more wisdom.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >evidence is when you trick yourself into believing
            No.

            Infinity + Infinity + Infinity = Infinity

            You have zero understanding of infinity whatsoever.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I wasn't the initial person you replied to, but thank you proving how utterly clueless you are with that comment.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Then you’d be in good company with Ben Shapiro

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >made up then tell me who Jesus was OP.
      It is likely the life of the Biblical "Jesus" is an amalgamation of many prominent figures around that time, wrote is such a way to promote political revolutionary changes and also to convey spiritual allegories. Ranging from "Jesus" the insurrectonist, a israeli rebel who wanted to overthrow the Roman Empire to "Jesus" the ascetic Essene, who would go around preaching the coming Kingdom of God in direct contrast to Orthodox Judaism, to "Jesus" the Moshiach, someone who went around claiming he was the promised Messiah of the OT.
      All in all, it's a giant clusterfrick once everything is examined closely.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I suspect that the Trinity was embraced by the Church as a way to sniff out potential heretics and "troublemakers" in their ranks. Too clever by half? You'll inevitably question the Trinity and get excommunicated. Smart, but also willing to play ball? You'll say its a mystery or better yet, will simply defer to what your superiors say. Dumb AND willing to play ball? You'll never end up questioning the Trinity in the first place.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How is this any different from universities forcing people to adhere to troonyism and equality?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not really different at all, that's my point.

  3. 1 month ago
    Dirk
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What is a person, to you? Is God basically a conjoined twin? Interesting and freaky!

      • 1 month ago
        Dirk

        It's a category that's not synonymous with being. Just because you're one being and one person doesn't mean another arrangement is impossible. The trinity is 1 of x and 3 of y. Pretending not to get it is not an argument finding a logical contradiction.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So God isn't a person? Then it's three Gods. Like how all monkeys are Monkey, but not literally one gigantic super-monkey conglomeration.

          • 1 month ago
            Dirk

            >pretending not to get it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >So God isn't a person?
            Yes, you got the right implication from Dirk's Pastrix. "God" is a substance that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is made out of. All persons (of which there are three) are "God" in as much as they are "made out of" "God". This is similar to a chair, a bowl, and a table all being made out of oak and thus "being oak".
            >how is this not polytheism?
            Nicene Christians define polytheism as worshiping persons made out of different substances; the three persons of the Trinity are all made out of the same substance, ergo it's not polytheism.

            Yes, this is tritheism according to 99.999999% of people to ever live, it's a technical definition deriving from Aristotelian metaphysics (tl;dr Aristotle thought that the 47-55 Gods who were the planets who were the Olympians of traditional Hellenistic religion were each composed of their own separate substance).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Person isn't really the best translation, but it's suitable enough. In the Scriptures God is generally used as the name of the Father, but it can apply to the Godhead as well, especially since the Father has nothing that He does not share with the Son and the Spirit, Who all flow into one another. They are a perfect threefold unity, just as man is.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          remimds me of the sphinxes famous riddle

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      /thread
      I've already alerted the inquisition to this heresy of a thread.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's a category that's not synonymous with being. Just because you're one being and one person doesn't mean another arrangement is impossible. The trinity is 1 of x and 3 of y. Pretending not to get it is not an argument finding a logical contradiction.

      >The trinity is 1 of x and 3 of y.
      Doesn't this break divine simplicity? You'd be saying that the being of God is divisible into three equal parts of persons.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        parts or persons*

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Christians use the word Nature, not Being.

        Because Being somehow mixes Persona and Nature into one.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So you'd be saying that the nature of God would be divisible into three equal parts or persons.

          Btw, Dirk (

          It's a category that's not synonymous with being. Just because you're one being and one person doesn't mean another arrangement is impossible. The trinity is 1 of x and 3 of y. Pretending not to get it is not an argument finding a logical contradiction.

          ), why are you ignoring my question? Wouldn't x being 3y imply three equal parts of God?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >3 = 1
      lol go back to school moron

      • 1 month ago
        Dirk

        Who are you quoting?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Infinity + Infinity + Infinity = Infinity

  4. 1 month ago
    Cult of Passion

    >Trinitarianism is impossible
    For humans.

    [...]

    Come, join me in reality, human-mortal...you have so much to learn and even more to regret!

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    3 Who's, one What. Not difficult.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wait until you learn the Quran's arguments against it are confused and contradictory.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is almost as bad as the other shitty atheist “paradox”, the one about “god cant be all powerful and all knowing and all loving if bad shit be happenin homie, shiiiieeeeeet”.

    Frick off Ali Dawah

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Three people who share one title or "Godhead." Like a company that has three people who are all co-presidents.
    >b-but heresy!
    don't care about what the ""official"" definition is, because this is how it can actually make sense

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The complexity of something has no relation the truth of the matter. It would be no wonder that God was not readily comprehensible.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You do not go to hell for not believing in the doctrine of Holy Trinity.

    And yes, here is a simple explanation of Holy Trinity.
    You can say why it's wrong if you want

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >You see guys, history is actually fake and pre-industrial people can affect widespread falsifications of history right down to rubbing pollen from the Middle East onto a burial shroud so that 2000 years later scientists would be tricked when they attempt microscopic analysis

    >The Romans had no problem wrangling a totally secretive mystery cult and systematically erasing both them and their traditions and their records and replaced them with a fabricated version that they wrote in three days at the Council of Hippo and also to eliminate all competing texts and interpretations.

    >What? Draw from the religious traditions people actually liked? No n

    >Also when they did this they had the stuff they made up make no sense because when you're custom-designing a multi-millennia long scam what you have to be sure of is that it has obvious logical problems that a moronic child could poke holes in, or that OP could at least ATTEMPT to poke holes in and fail

    >Also nobody ever questioned this even the enormous cults of Mithra and Sol Invictus who were contemporary at the time they just sort of all went with it

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They are in different spiritual realms/planes of existence. The Father is a spirit located in the High Heavens. The Son is God of the material and flesh. The Spirit is like the magic shadow man cast by the son from the Father that does weird things and tricks behind the scenes

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >non-anonymously

    >Matthew
    >Mark
    >Luke-Acts
    >Peter 1,2
    >James
    >John 1,2,3
    >Jude
    >Revelation (John)

    Only Hebrews is anonymous.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why did the Romans like triads of gods so much? I think this will go a long way in answering what the 'essence' of the trinity is really all about. What was it about the Romans which liked things done in threes?

    If we look at the Capitoline Triad, we'll see its:
    >The father
    >The wife
    >The daughter

    If we look at the Archaic Triad, we'll see its:
    >The father
    >The son
    >The founder of Rome

    The aventine:
    >The mother
    >The brother
    >The sister

    All of them are about family, and how they're connected. They all involve a parent-child relationship, and a 'third'. The Capitoline focuses on parental love, the Aventine on brotherhood, and the Archaic on your city and roots.

    Christianity has taken this and blended it. The "Holy Ghost" is a substitute for literally any relationship you want. It must've been an easy sell for the people.

    The complexity of describing the Trinity comes from the fact that early Christian preachers would have had to fit a monotheist israeli idelogy into the minds of polytheist Romans. Over time, lots of cope would've been retconned in.

    I'm not sure why Christians can't embrace their Roman roots, as opposed to making something nonsensical. After all, if Rome was so bad, and their peope so evil and corrupted, why was it the chosen people to give birth to an ideology apparently so pure and pious. Did it have zero redeeming features in the eyes of the Christians?

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