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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Some of the people there later witnessed Jesus resurrected after the crucifixion.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Read the context. The resurrection Jesus describes = the apocalypse

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        "This generation" here could well refer to Christians generally, rather than to israelites or to just those standing there with Jesus. Christ's comments about his words not passing away would seem to support this: everything will perish, but those who keep my word will endure to the very end, and my word will glorify them beyond the end because my word is what is eternal.

        As for the earlier passage, which refers to "those standing here," I believe there is ample reason to hold that this refers to the destruction of the temple in 70 AD and the procession of the Church primarily. It could also be referring to the transfiguration, the resurrection and to Pentecost in a secondary sense, since all of these events involved Christ being witnessed by others as taking on His spirit and His power, as well as pronouncing some form of judgement. The transfiguration is to give the disciples hope of repentance before final judgement (Mal. 4:5–6); the crucifixion and resurrection involves Christ asking God to forgive us for our ignorance; and Pentecost resulted in the gift of the Holy Spirit.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      But did they witness the Son of man coming in his kingdom?

      He was talking about the people of the last years
      It's Going to be SO quick some people are Going to see it from start to finish

      >He was talking about the people of the last years
      Right, and he says some of those people are "standing here".

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah i'm that point in the story
        They stand here. In the end

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    He was talking about the people of the last years
    It's Going to be SO quick some people are Going to see it from start to finish

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    70 AD

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus died, passed through hell, and rose again, conquering death and offering eternal life and salvation with his blood. Probably not everyone "standing here" died during this 3 day period, so it seems Jesus was correct.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Did "the Son of Man will come in His Father’s glory with His angels" and then "repay each one according to what he has done."? Because that is what it's referring to.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    CS Lewis is the only Christian I've seen with the balls to admit Jesus was straight up wrong here.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sauce?

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Magic israelite kingdom any day now.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus literally ascended to heaven, according to the Bible.

    He went back to his kingdom.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Oh so it was a sexual euphamism. I see.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      So the judgement has already happened? The verses say "and then He will repay each one according to what he has done." and "If anyone is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him".

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes and we were forgiven
        God would have been well within his rights to blow up Earth after what happened to his son but Jesus forgave us for we knew not what we have done

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          If the judgement has already happened like you say then what are we doing here? Shouldn’t we be in the kingdom of God, or hades?

          >translation of the KJV has some weirdly interpreted element

          Other translations don’t have this problem. He’s talking about the transfiguration. If Christianity and the the Bible were this huge scam by a con artist israeli carpenter why would then include that in the gospels written 40-50 years AFTER the crucifixion? Why would the church councils keep these relevant verses found in all of the synoptic gospels? homosexual enlightenment liberals and atheists accuse every single verse of being a cynical interpolation (with no evidence), why wouldn’t they excise an error like that?

          It’s because the verses are talking about the transfiguration and because the KJV is a very old translation.

          Transfiguration, that was Jesus in his kingdom. He brought Moses and Elijah down from Heaven (his kingdom) and Peter wanted to build them tents, that sounds like what he was talking about with some people standing there.

          When was Jesus ashamed and when did Jesus repay each according to what he has done during the transfiguration?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >omnisapient
          >sends his son knowing what is going to happen to him
          >even Jesus knows (he even predicts this multiple times)
          >god gets mad anyway
          >god and jesus almost destroys the Earth
          Your god is evil.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            How do we know he isn't referring to different instances of him coming in his kingdom? Obviously what he did transfiguring was one instance, why can't him coming in glory again be something different? Huh, the phrase "he will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead" takes on a different meaning when you think about it that way, not to imply his first coming (his birth) wasn't in glory.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        The early Christians were hunted down and killed by the Romans unless they denied Christ.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >translation of the KJV has some weirdly interpreted element

    Other translations don’t have this problem. He’s talking about the transfiguration. If Christianity and the the Bible were this huge scam by a con artist israeli carpenter why would then include that in the gospels written 40-50 years AFTER the crucifixion? Why would the church councils keep these relevant verses found in all of the synoptic gospels? homosexual enlightenment liberals and atheists accuse every single verse of being a cynical interpolation (with no evidence), why wouldn’t they excise an error like that?

    It’s because the verses are talking about the transfiguration and because the KJV is a very old translation.

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Transfiguration, that was Jesus in his kingdom. He brought Moses and Elijah down from Heaven (his kingdom) and Peter wanted to build them tents, that sounds like what he was talking about with some people standing there.

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Christianity is just a cope like Seventh Day Adventism is a cope for the Great Disappointment of the Millerites

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Disappointment

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thinkers and theologians trying to depict prophecy from religious texts....It's bound to lead to disapointment.

      They all to frequently forget the Jesus himself said : "Nobody knows....Not even he - but only the father."

      So - why do people get disapointed over these prophecies? They're the work of man, after all.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Jesus said know one knows the hour, not no one knows at all. He gave plenty of time frames for when the end will happen.

        "This generation" here could well refer to Christians generally, rather than to israelites or to just those standing there with Jesus. Christ's comments about his words not passing away would seem to support this: everything will perish, but those who keep my word will endure to the very end, and my word will glorify them beyond the end because my word is what is eternal.

        As for the earlier passage, which refers to "those standing here," I believe there is ample reason to hold that this refers to the destruction of the temple in 70 AD and the procession of the Church primarily. It could also be referring to the transfiguration, the resurrection and to Pentecost in a secondary sense, since all of these events involved Christ being witnessed by others as taking on His spirit and His power, as well as pronouncing some form of judgement. The transfiguration is to give the disciples hope of repentance before final judgement (Mal. 4:5–6); the crucifixion and resurrection involves Christ asking God to forgive us for our ignorance; and Pentecost resulted in the gift of the Holy Spirit.

        >"This generation" here could well refer to Christians generally
        The whole context of the chapter clearly indicates he was talking to his disciples.

        The original question from his disciple that started the speech was "when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?". Why would Jesus tell them all these things, constantly repeating "you", and then fail to mention the "you" he was referring to was a generation 2000+ years in the future, not the people he was currently speaking to?

        >I believe there is ample reason to hold that this refers to the destruction of the temple
        >the transfiguration
        >Pentecost
        In any of these events, when was Jesus ashamed and when did Jesus repay each according to what he has done? "some form of judgement" isn't enough, it says he has to repay each according to what he has done.

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Well clearly by 'Son of Man'
    It's meaning 'ManSon'
    Charlie MANSON

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Really mythed that the son of god has become the son of man all of a sudden.
    That's quite a delusion I have fallen under.
    Have we all? Or is it just me?

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      *The steady onset of the reality that he's hellbound sinks in*

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Apparently the now wolf sits with the lamb, while the lion eats straw with the ox...

    I remember it as the lion...

    Are....mandella effects....
    Are they swapping out my eyes?
    What's going on?
    Am I to run with the pack?

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    What do you do when it's all in the shitter?
    Get drunk?

  15. 4 months ago
    Ο Σολιταίρ

    Next verse:
    >Jesus transfigures himself and shows the apostles the Son of Man coming in his kingdom

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      When was Jesus ashamed and when did Jesus repay each according to what he has done during the transfiguration?

      • 4 months ago
        Ο Σολιταίρ

        reread the verse
        they SHALL "taste of death" but not before "seeing" the Son of Man coming.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Right, and it says after the Son of Man comes "He will repay each one according to what he has done" and he will be ashamed of those who are ashamed of him. When did this happen during the transfiguration?

          • 4 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            He didn't come yet, but they SAW it.
            Idk, it's pretty obvious when the synoptic gospels all go straight to the Transfiguration after Jesus says this.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >He didn't come yet, but they SAW it.
            They saw something that didn't happen? What?

          • 4 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            >They saw something that didn't happen?
            happens a lot in the Bible. Revelation is basically 100% that*

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Then I'll ask you, what disciple(s) died before seeing the transfiguration, since saying "some who are standing here will not taste death" assumes that at least one will taste death?

            And another question is why would Jesus say some will not die if he was only referring to something that would happen a week later? If someone told you "I'll visit you again before one of us dies" you wouldn't think they were talking about only 7 days later.

          • 4 months ago
            Ο Σολιταίρ

            >Then I'll ask you, what disciple(s) died before seeing the transfiguration, since saying "some who are standing here will not taste death" assumes that at least one will taste death?
            Jesus only took Peter, James, and John to the mount of Transfiguration.
            You could literally just start reading from the verse and you'll read that 3 disciples out of the multitude saw the Transfiguration and the rest didn't. Then these disciples died natural deaths (didn't experience the "regeneration")

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's always been here. The Kingdom of God is a psycho-spiritual state of being.

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