Was Tartessos Atlantis?

I think it's a pretty likely candidate despite not metting Plato's description of Atlantis

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I think Plato messed up by saying it was 9000 years previously, when it was probably 900 and just an early proto-Hellenic civilization that was another element of the Bronze Age collapse.
    I'd go so far as to say the Sea Peoples and Phillistines were related.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sea Peoples were the last and latest migration of proto indo Europeans, the ones who figured out seafaring

      Philistines are autochthonous Levantines, i.e. non-Phoenician canaanites

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah that makes sense considering greeks liked to exaggerate everything, I'd say Plato just heard about "Atlantis" and then made up every description about it, it would be plausible that he pretended to know how Tartessos was

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        If Plato were to be trusted the story would have some basis in Egyptian folklore. Seeing as the Egyptians don’t corroborate his story (supposedly Solon’s) it’s possible he just made it up.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          I don't think he outright lied. He doesn't seem the type. That's why I think it might just be a Hellenic folk story, that might have some basis. Just not as far back as he said.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            He made up lots of stories such as the myth of er in the Republic, the creation myth cosmology in Timaeus and the flood myth in the Laws. I don’t think Atlantis had any real world basis to it.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            He wasn't lying about a flood myth. More passed down stories. One that goes further back than Hellenes and even further than Hittites from whence they came.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Solon visited Sais in Egypt during the reign of Amasis II of the 26th dynasty. This is shortly before the Persian conquest of Egypt. This dynasty started out as an Assyrian vassal after the so-called third intermediate period. Anyways, it might be based on some Sais tradition that was wiped out. A couple historians mention that there was some sort of ancient connection with Athens (this is also mentioned by Plato) and that Neith was Athena. It might have also been a Libyan/Meshwesh story that had been transmitted over the years though they didn't rule from Sais.

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Of course not. Atlantis was a real kingdom that was sunk by ancient mages when they tried to build a tower up to the Supernal Realms to ascend and become deities. These Exarch mages succeeded, and now they rule over the Tellurian with an iron fist. They erased all evidence of their existence, and that's why there's no proof that Atlantis exists.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

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      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

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          Anonymous

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          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

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        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          What? Glorantha?

  3. 4 months ago
    Radiochan

    Plato outright said in either Timaeus or Critias that "none of what I'm saying is true, but I'm saying that my ancestor was told it by an Egyptian priest so you'd care about what I'm saying here."
    It should also be noted that according to myth the Amazons at one point conquered Atlantis, and they were supposed to be in Scythia.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      So would Atlantis then be hypothetically a black sea city state/Greek colony or something of the sort?

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Plato places it outside the Iberian peninsula.

      • 4 months ago
        Radiochan

        Atlantis doesn't exist and it was made up by Plato playing on tropes of destruction brought about by hubris. It was meant to be an allegory for the Persian Empire trying to conquer Athens.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, correct. You’ve got it.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Atlantis is in Mauritania, they also built the original structures in Egypt like the pyramids/sphynx.

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Atlantis is hidden in the atlas mountains

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    If it was it would likely have been mentioned as such in greek myth etc, Tartessos was definitely the location of the 10th labor of Heracles where he defeated Geryon and retrieved his cattle and was part of what was known to the greeks as the Hesperides

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Assuming plato wasn't lying about where he got the story, Atlantis is probably in Africa or the ME. Not sure why morons keep thinking its some western city, or an allegory when the source is Egyptian priests.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Doesn’t he say that Atlantis is beyond the pillars of Hercules (the straits of Gibraltar)? That’s a major reason why then. Also, there’s no reason the Egyptians couldn’t have heard of it from somewhere else nor that because the Egyptians heard of it means that it has to be in the complete opposite direction.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Atlantis was in corsica-sardinia when the water level was lower

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was probably an ancient Berber civilization located between Spain, Morocco and Western Sahara.

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    "Atlantis" was the Sea Peoples. You can't "find Atlantis" just like you can't "find" Prussia or the Holy Roman Empire.

    That said if you had to pinpoint a specific location Malta is the best bet, Berber shit in Spain/Africa wasn't advanced enough to be what was described outside of a very hearsay level that probably got conflated in whatever hearsay some random Egyptian gay told Plato.

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